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Sarah Palin Is A Moron If She Thinks Hillary’s Impending Grandma Status Will Make Her Pro-Life

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Sarah-PalinSarah Palin is speaking again, because we apparently haven’t figured out a way to stop words from emerging from her mouth-hole. This time she’s talking about abortion and Hillary Clinton. Palin hopes now that Hilary is going to be a grandma, she’ll abandon her fight for a woman’s right to choose, because that makes total sense.

From USA Today:

“Just knowing that her daughter Chelsea is pregnant with a baby — it’s a real baby — it’s not some disposable something, and I know that will be controversial,” the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee said in a TV interview airing Wednesday. “But those who, perhaps, they’re in this position now as a parent or a grandparent, they realize the sanctity of life, how innocent, how precious it is. And of all places it should be in the womb that these babies are protected. So maybe even on a social issue like that she’ll open her eyes.”

Oh, totally. Hillary isn’t a political figure any more; she’s a grandmommy-to-be! I’d like everyone to take a moment and try to remember the last time you were made aware of a male politician’s grandparent status. You won’t be able to. It doesn’t happen.

Hey Sarah! I don’t know Hilary personally, but I’m going to guess that the child in her daughter’s womb isn’t going to make her abandon everything she has fought for and believes in – one of those things being a woman’s right to choose. I’m going to also guess that the 50 percent chance of the “real baby” in Chelsea’s womb will be a girl, is going to make Hilary fight even harder to ensure that her future granddaughter will have the right to bodily autonomy. Those are just just guesses though. Maybe she’ll be struck by the magical-grandma-right-wing-anti-feminist-bullshit fairy and start agreeing with you. That could happen.

I’m not surprised Palin would use Chelsea’s pregnancy as an opportunity to get throw her anti-choice rhetoric around. She’s pretty wily – if she realizes what she’s doing. Implying that a powerful political figure like Clinton would change her views because of her impending grandmotherhood is absurd. Pro-choice women don’t thing “babies” are disposable, they just believe women have a right to decide when to have them.

Sarah Palin is an enemy to all feminists. She calls herself a feminist, while at the same time doing her very best to strip rights away from women. Also, she really thought she could see Russia from her backyard in Alaska. She needs to go away now. Or at least stop making political commentary.

(photo: Getty Images)


  1. Butt Trophy Recipient

    May 7, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Yea, Hillary is #abortionforlife yall!

    • Butt Trophy Recipient

      May 7, 2014 at 12:01 pm

      BTW, Maria, you know Palin’s just trolling right? She makes these comments just to get talked about again and again.

      She’s taking “attention whore” to a new level. It’s best not to acknowledge what she says.

    • Butt Trophy Recipient

      May 7, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    • Maria Guido

      May 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm

      Prom draft – good one! You know me so well.

    • CW

      May 7, 2014 at 12:54 pm

      Whatever happened to the “rare” part of Hillary’s famous “safe, legal, and rare” position on abortion? That seems to have been forgotten by the feminists in the 20 years since she said it.

    • Butt Trophy Recipient

      May 7, 2014 at 1:08 pm

      I hope this does not mean that women have having less sex with men 🙁

    • CMJ

      May 7, 2014 at 1:12 pm

      An independent study I just did in my head shows this to NOT be the case Butt. You’re safe.

    • Butt Trophy Recipient

      May 7, 2014 at 1:13 pm


    • Lackadaisical

      May 7, 2014 at 2:19 pm

      Except, while I don’t wish to undermine m’esteemed colleagues study, my own independent study in my head shows that while sexy times between a man and a woman haven’t decreased this may be down to an increase in adult fun time for a particularly smug guy you hate. My study also shows he has a better job, car and hair than you.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 7, 2014 at 1:28 pm

      It would be even more rare with universal access to safe, reliable, and inexpensive family planning/women’s health services and birth control.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 7, 2014 at 1:32 pm

      Can I get a hallelujah!

      So does support for families, and a higher standard of living–all three together are the reason why the rate in Western Europe is almost a quarter that of Easter Europe (which doesn’t have the same standard of living, access to birth control and view of abortion).

    • noodlestein

      May 7, 2014 at 3:17 pm

      Easter Eurpoe?? Is that where they keep the bunnies that lay eggs? Cause if so, I need to go there!! 😀

    • Kay_Sue

      May 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm

      Yes, Easter Europe. They lay Cadbury eggs. 🙂

    • noodlestein

      May 8, 2014 at 11:05 am

      SA-weet. Mommyish field trip!

    • Sarah

      May 7, 2014 at 3:19 pm

      For real. It cracks me up when anti-choicers boycott Target because they wrote a check to PP once or something. Like you do realize that women having access to birth control is a pretty crucial part of preventing abortion, right………………………..

    • K.

      May 7, 2014 at 2:42 pm

      I’m a feminist and I want abortions to be rare.

      I’m also a member of feminist organizations, some national, and every woman I’ve met in these organizations also wants abortions to be rare.

      Show me someone that’s out there picketing for more abortions.

    • CrazyFor Kate

      May 7, 2014 at 3:08 pm

      That hasn’t changed. I don’t get how you think it has. No one actually wants an expensive, painful and possibly emotionally difficult procedure.

  2. Katja Yount

    May 7, 2014 at 12:02 pm

    This is up there with calling Wendy Davis a hypocryt because she chose to have her kids rather than aborting them.

    • Lackadaisical

      May 7, 2014 at 12:32 pm

      Yes, when people spout nonsense like that I want to buy them a dictionary and make them look up choice. She is pro choice and her personal choice was to have the kids. Pro choice does not mean anti baby, a true pro choice person would also argue for a woman’s right not to have a termination forced upon them as it is all about sovereignty of your own body.

  3. EmmaFromÉire

    May 7, 2014 at 12:22 pm

    So here’s a story for Sarah Palin.
    Years ago, after having her fourth child, my grandmother needed to have a hysterectomy. It wasn’t an easy procedure to have done at the time in Ireland, so she went to the UK, where she had to go to a clinic that also performed abortions. She had to stay in a hostel near the clinic before the procedure, because her and my grandfather couldn’t afford much else. Other women who needed to go to the clinic also stayed in this hostel, because of the lower cost.

    My grandmother says the women seen coming in and out of that hostel were treated like absolute shit. She’s never felt as judged in her life as she did there. She wasn’t there for an abortion, but was treated like she was, like she was an awful human being. She said being there made her understand more than anything what women sometime have to go through to do what’s right for them. The other women there were all perfectly average women that you could see on the street, some were younger girls, some were older women. But they were all just normal people.

    So my grandmother, nearly in her seventies, is pro-choice. She has seen for herself what clinic providing abortions looks like, and has stayed with women who have gone for abortions. She told me that if it came to it and I needed to make a choice, she would back me 100% if that day ever came.

    So clearly she missed the memo that having grandkids makes you oppose choice.

  4. NYBondLady

    May 7, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    “Also, she really thought she could see Russia from her backyard in Alaska.”
    Really? REALLY? Show me where she said this. C’mon. This was an SNL skit. Do you believe everything a TV show tells you?

    • allisonjayne

      May 7, 2014 at 12:30 pm

      True. What she actually said was that you can see Russia from Alaska, which is true (you can see an uninhabited island that is part of Russia from another island that is part of Alaska – they’re like a couple of miles apart), and she said this in response to a question about foreign policy, as if being able to see part of a country gives a person any insight into foreign policy. So while she didn’t say “I can see Russia from my house”, she did say something pretty ridiculous.

    • NYBondLady

      May 7, 2014 at 12:48 pm

      Ok, feel free to tear apart her foreign policy. But Maria G. obviously thinks that this is a FACT (along with MANY MANY people) and that, my friend, is pretty ridiculous.

    • jenstar

      May 7, 2014 at 1:06 pm

      Admittedly I also thought she had said that until relatively recently. But what is actually ridiculous is that it is perfectly believable that she DID say something that idiotic. She is a truly terrifying woman.. O.o

    • Sarah

      May 7, 2014 at 3:37 pm

      This is her direct quote:

      “They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”

    • CMP414

      May 7, 2014 at 1:22 pm

      Exactly! I saw Canada from NY at Niagara Falls sure doesnt make me informed of Canadian laws/policies

    • Alex Lee

      May 7, 2014 at 12:45 pm


      More proof that Tina Fey is a better Palin than Palin.

  5. Aimee Ogden

    May 7, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    Pro-choice people don’t think babies are disposable, but anti-choicers do think that women are.

    • Maria Guido

      May 7, 2014 at 2:10 pm


    • Roberta

      May 7, 2014 at 2:30 pm

      Dude, can that be on a button or something? I need one for my feminist-liberal-econut bag and that would be perfect.

    • Jennie Blair

      May 7, 2014 at 4:23 pm

      Exactly, pro – choice doesn’t mean abortions for everyone, it means stay the fuck out of my uterus and I will stay out of yours.

  6. Lackadaisical

    May 7, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    Yes, because obviously if you are pro choice in Palinland it means you don’t understand how lovely babies are, and being a mother to Chelsea is somehow a lesser experience of the wonders of life than being a grandmother. Thank you, Palin, for belittling all women who hold different views to you and have political ideas of their own. Goodness knows a woman can’t have views of her own that don’t revolve around some mumma bear stereotype. I assume we aren’t asking Clinton’s husband because men are allowed to have opinions based on rational thought rather than hormones.

  7. Renee

    May 7, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    This title could have ended with ‘moron.’ The statement didn’t need to be described further.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 7, 2014 at 1:23 pm

      My thoughts exactly.

    • Music Mamma

      May 7, 2014 at 7:53 pm

      I stopped reading after the first five words…

  8. RayneofCastamere

    May 7, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    But don’t you know that any thought of TEH BABEHS makes every woman into a weepy, sentimental all-mother unless she’s a heartless, bitchy harpy who’s jealous of any woman who can have the almighty BABEH?

    That last paragraph would have been hilarious if it wasn’t what these people actually thought. Oh, Poe’s law…

  9. allisonjayne

    May 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    I don’t get how being pregnant and giving birth clearly didn’t change Hilary’s views on abortion, but becoming a grandmother will? Makes no sense.

    • Sarah

      May 7, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      Don’t try to think too hard about this one, it’ll just give you a headache.

  10. Jessifer

    May 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm

    • Emily A.

      May 7, 2014 at 6:07 pm

      Yes, the headline could have ended after the first five words.

  11. LiteBrite

    May 7, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    I’m a mother for chrissakes and still pro-choice. One does not negate the other.

    When she was running as VP a few year ago, my sister actually thought I would vote for her because “Sarah Palin is a mother too.” My response was “I’m going to pretend you didn’t just say that.”

    • CrazyFor Kate

      May 7, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      And the fact that Obama’s a dad doesn’t count? Sigh.

    • LiteBrite

      May 7, 2014 at 6:47 pm

      Even though we differ politically, my sister is an informed, intelligent, and articulate person, so that comment was really weird to hear from her. The only thing I can think of is that she was 7 months pregnant at the time, and the pregnancy was consuming all of her brain cells.

  12. Sara610

    May 7, 2014 at 12:41 pm

    Okay, two thoughts:
    1) Hasn’t Clinton been a mother for like 30-someodd years?
    2) Why is it so hard for people to understand that you can be politically pro-choice without a) agreeing with abortion on a personal, moral level or b) wanting one for yourself? I think that under a lot of circumstances, abortion is morally wrong–that doesn’t mean that I think anyone but a woman should have the right to make decisions regarding her reproduction and medical care. I also don’t eat veal, but I’m not trying to make veal illegal for everyone.

    • journalgal2

      May 7, 2014 at 1:33 pm

      Exactly!! I am firmly pro-choice but I can’t imagine a circumstance under which I would abort a pregnancy. Which makes it a CHOICE.

    • Sara610

      May 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm

      I would like to believe I would never have one unless carrying a pregnancy to term was dangerous to my health–but there are some circumstances where I just don’t think you can judge what you would or wouldn’t do until you’re actually faced with the choice, and I think this is one of them.

      Would I stick to my conviction not to have an abortion if I were a teen girl who was raped by her stepfather? If I were an impoverished mother with an abusive husband who I knew wanted no more children? If I knew that the child I carried had a genetic abnormality that would cause him to die hours or days after birth, and even that short time would be racked with pain? (Actually, in that last circumstance, I probably would choose to terminate the pregnancy.)

      These are the situations that make up the gray area. It’s one of the reasons I AM pro-choice–I don’t think you can make abortion illegal unless you’re willing to make it illegal in ALL circumstances, and there are just too many shades of gray where I simply don’t feel comfortable telling a woman what she should do under circumstances that I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.

    • BethAZ1987

      May 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm

      Right!! The pro-lifers seem to think that all pro-choice people are absolute baby haters who want to abort every baby ever conceived. Not true at all. We just want it to be an available option. Due to the magnitude associated with bringing a baby in the world and raising it properly, who am I to say that someone else is equipped for that at any particular time in their lives?

    • JJ

      May 7, 2014 at 6:32 pm

      But that involves logic and sanity why do that when they can just scream about how anyone who is pro choice is terrible monster who love aborting babies all the time for fun and has had at least 50 abortions already. Seriously the logic of the extreme anti choicers like Sarah Palin is just dumbfounding. Apparently supporting the right to choice means your personally getting hundreds of abortions and doing them yourself on other women too.

  13. Kelly

    May 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm

    If motherhood wouldn’t make her pro-life, why would grandmotherhood?

    I’ve always thought that argument was so stupid. I am a mother. I’ve never had an abortion. I’m still pro-choice.

  14. Ursi

    May 7, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    I’m pro-life but it’s not a voting issue for me and I have to be honest, I think it’s really despicable that she would assume that a baby makes people throw out their convictions like they’re worth nothing unless you have motherhood or grandmotherhood to somehow adjust your thinking. WTF must she think of us childless folk and our opinions on womens rights.

    • CW

      May 7, 2014 at 12:49 pm

      I was like you back when I was childless- personally anti-abortion but didn’t feel like it was all that important a political issue. But my own first pregnancy *DID* change my mind about legalized abortion. Seeing that perfect little baby on the 12 week ultrasound with her strong heartbeat really made it hit home to me why it’s so important to protect the unborn. I could see with my own eyes that she wasn’t just some “clump of cells” but a real baby who needed me to protect her and all the millions of other unborn babies.

    • Ursi

      May 7, 2014 at 12:57 pm

      It’s nice it worked out that way for you but I don’t think that assumption flies overall. It’s not like I’ve never seen, held, or taken care of an infant before. Just because abortion is against my faith and and code of ethics doesn’t mean I’m hot to enforce it on the masses. I *am* politically libertarian as you mention in your other post and I think that availability of abortion IS an important issue for the party to support. Seeing as it tends to be an all or nothing issue with many people.

    • mediocrity511

      May 7, 2014 at 1:01 pm

      For me, pregnancy has made me more pro choice. My child is very much wanted, but my pregnancy is emotionally and physically tough. It is also weird sharing my body with a rapidly forming creature. I can’t imagine how it would feel to experience all this against my will.

    • jenstar

      May 7, 2014 at 1:03 pm

      Likewise, my pregnancy also made me even more pro choice. (Remember kids, pro-choice does not necessarily equal pro-abortion!)

    • Kelly

      May 7, 2014 at 1:14 pm

      Same here. My pregnancy was horrible and my labor was life threatening and left me with severe PTSD. I would rather kill myself than ever go through that again. 13 years later, I still have nightmares I wake up screaming from.

      There’s no way in hell I would ever force any woman to go through with an unwanted pregnancy after that. I was pro choice before but now my convictions are even stronger.

    • the_ether

      May 8, 2014 at 1:01 am

      That is exactly how I feel at 23 weeks (and have felt through the whole pregnancy)

    • Ana

      May 7, 2014 at 1:26 pm

      I could see how the opposite could be true as well though. I think back to how happy and excited I was to see those 2 pink lines, and it breaks my heart to think of all the women who felt devastated. Chelsea and I (and perhaps you) were in a position where being with child was a joyous occasion. For many women it is a nightmare, and I think being a mother has made me even more empathetic to the rights and feelings of other women in regards to their reproductive choices.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 7, 2014 at 1:40 pm

      When I was married just over a year I had a feeling I was pregnant. I was also in two forms of birth control, because it was five years before the minimum age I wanted to have children. When the pregnancy test came back positive I cried. For two days straight. I was completely inconsolable. I set up a doctor’s appointment, which included an ultrasound. My husband said he would respect whatever decision I made, though I overheard him tell a friend he hoped I would keep the baby. I went to the ultrasound hoping that seeing it on the screen would change my mind. Instead I saw what looked like a grain of rice, and it sent me into a crying fit. I kept the baby got my husband, but it took me until after the birth to fully get over the resentment I had towards the baby and the regret I was feeling, and it damn near cost me my marriage.
      Not everyone gets the warm fuzzies seeing an ultrasound or hearing a heartbeat. Some people see their plans, hopes, and/or dreams being taken away.
      Some see a large expenditure they cannot afford, and that’s not including AFTER the baby is born.
      Some see the horrible reminder of the abuse, rape, or incest that lead them to that point.
      Some see a major health risk.
      Just because YOU saw something magical doesn’t mean you should make the choice for me, or anyone else.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 7, 2014 at 1:41 pm

      Perfectly valid reason for YOU not to get an abortion, NOT a valid reason for you to feel it’s your duty to regulate what other women do with their own bodies. If you feel the need to protect those millions of unborn babies, are you also willing to help all the BORN ones in foster care?

    • NYBondLady

      May 7, 2014 at 1:47 pm

      That’s not her point, and it don’t mean that this view necessitates that she also help all kids in foster care: you can’t fight every war just because more than one exists (is it fair that the US save the Somolian girls while many domestic children are sold into the sex trade at the same time? If you give up ice cream in order to lose weight, must you also give up candy and potato chips?)
      What CW disagrees with you about is that an unborn 12 week fetus is in her opinion (and mine, but you already know that), is an innocent being to be protected. Not the collateral damage of a mistake or a slip of birth control or whatever.

    • Ursi

      May 7, 2014 at 1:52 pm

      I think it’s a fair point and a criticism I’ve taken before.

      Why obsess over the unborn when there are living children living in neglect and poverty?

      No, you can’t fight every battle but I think every pro-life person should think about why the child’s life is invaluable up until the point of birth and then not given much of a second thought.

      Many pro life people believe that their stance eases the number of children suffering in poverty. It’s not an unreasonable basis for debate.

    • Ursi

      May 7, 2014 at 1:54 pm

      should read “many pro-choice people believe, not “pro-life”, sorry

    • NYBondLady

      May 7, 2014 at 1:56 pm

      Where do people get the idea the pro-life people don’t care about kids? Just because many disagree about the means to go about improving circumstances following birth doesn’t mean we don’t care.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm

      Where do people get the idea that pro-choice people want everyone to get abortions?

    • brebay

      May 7, 2014 at 8:29 pm

      Seriously. I wouldn’t get a tattoo, therefore, they should be banned.

    • Ursi

      May 7, 2014 at 2:03 pm

      You’re looking at it from a conservative viewpoint. Try looking at it from their point of view; democrats support social responsibility, benefits for the poor, assistance for unwed mothers, etc. These are not issues that are often big on the radar of pro-life candidates, if the even mention them at all. That’s why conservative folks have a reputation for putting the fetus ahead of the child. I’m not a democrat but I get it.

    • Sarah

      May 7, 2014 at 3:28 pm

      An intelligent republican! Don’t see too many of your kind on the internet these days.

    • Ursi

      May 7, 2014 at 3:38 pm

      Not a republican either. Moderate libertarian. But I’ll take the compliment in good faith.

    • Sarah

      May 7, 2014 at 3:40 pm

      Oops, sorry for assuming!

    • Ursi

      May 7, 2014 at 3:43 pm

      all good 🙂

    • Kelly

      May 7, 2014 at 2:34 pm

      Because banning abortion and demanding that all unwanted children be born would cause a large number of unwanted children to suddenly exist who wouldn’t otherwise. Duh. Yet pro life people have no plan on how to care for all these unwanted children. It always boils down to “not my problem” or “I can’t care about everything” to you people.

      If you want to cause a huge issue then you need to sit your ass down and figure out how our society is going to deal with that issue instead of just throwing your hands up and claiming it’s not your problem. If you caused it, then it is your problem.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 7, 2014 at 2:36 pm

      Not only do they have no plan, they actively try to cut programs that would HELP the babies once they’re born (as evidenced by some of the comments on the WIC formula column from yesterday).

    • CMJ

      May 7, 2014 at 2:39 pm

      I’m still seething from some of those comments.

    • Sarah

      May 7, 2014 at 3:29 pm


    • JJ

      May 7, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      It’s also rich how so many pro lifers go on about how they care about the unborn but they seem to have absolutely no interest in ever adopting any of them. They care enough to save them from abortion but not enough to save them from the foster care system or a life of extreme poverty with a single mother who didn’t want to become a mother but had no choice because people want to take her right to choose away. Lets face it you could pretty much toss the now born babies into a trash bin and the pro lifers wouldn’t care as long as they didn’t see it. All that matters is they “saved” that one pre birth. Who gives a care about post birth life though.

    • K.

      May 7, 2014 at 3:19 pm

      So…without going into binary politics (prolife/prochoice or conservative/liberal) or the philosophical arguments, let’s just say that we decide fetuses should assume full human rights and Roe v. Wade is overturned.

      From a purely realistic standpoint, I don’t think you’d want to see that world.

      I don’t think pro-life advocates want to disregard the needs of unwanted children or the poor in this country, but I do think that if the goal is saving babies as most of them claim (rather than policing women’s sexuality), then advocating against abortion rights is truly a waste of time. The best way to reduce abortions–and this has been studied over and over–is to offer affordable birth control and healthcare that supports general reproductive health, as well as comprehensive pre-and post-natal care. And to support measures that would secure the infrastructure needed to help the poor, the drug-addicted, the mentally-ill and so on—descriptors that can apply to both mothers AND their babies. So no, I don’t think that you hate children; I do think that you fail to recognize the consequences of your political position.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 7, 2014 at 1:57 pm

      And as I said, that’s a perfectly valid reason for HER not to ever have an abortion. It is NOT, however, a valid reason to make it illegal for other women who are not in her situation or who share her opinion about pregnancy to have an abortion.

      I disagree that “protecting unborn children” is not directly related to foster care. Because who are the majority who get abortions? Poor people. People who cannot afford children. People who then get looked down upon for using public assistance. People who get their children taken away. So if she’s all for protecting the unborn, why isn’t it fair to assume that she’d want to protect them after they’re born, when they can actually, you know, think and feel and stuff.

    • JJ

      May 7, 2014 at 8:00 pm

      Except that unfortunately protecting the fetus comes at the expense of the rights of the woman who is bearing it. She is made to be viewed as an incubator and only as an incubator held hostage by her own body. And like Mystik Spiral while I can understand that is a valid reason for anti choice folk to not have an abortion, and that is their right I would never take that away from them, why do we need to take way the right to choose from other women because you folks want to save the unborn? Is that women who has lived longer and done more with her life now completely useless because she’s carrying a fetus inside? Is she irrelevant and not deserving of rights. I say she was there first and its her body so the fetus comes second to her personal decision.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 7, 2014 at 2:34 pm

      When I pro-choice woman says “I wouldn’t have an abortion” there’s a full-stop after it. She wouldn’t have an abortion, but there’s nothing there about anyone else.
      When an anti-choice woman says the same thing, there’s an unsaid, but clearly added “and because I wouldn’t have an abortion no other women should because it violates MY morals”.

    • K.

      May 7, 2014 at 2:56 pm

      To be fair–and I am staunchly pro-choice–the position that I *think* CW is expressing is the fact that the fetuses’ rights should be protected and that someone needs to advocate for the fetus.

      I mean, the whole “is a fetus a person” argument is stupid because ultimately it’s philosophical (I can rely on science, but science is just one methodological framework for the definition of life and personhood, no more or less valid than religion in this respect)–a fetus…is a fetus. And while I am not at all prepared to override the actual and realized rights of adult women with the theoretical rights of a fetus, I still feel that we shouldn’t pretend the fetus doesn’t matter. It is a something.

      Now, to me, the fact that we have these debates in the first place reflects the need for the right to legal abortion because the choice of having an abortion is dependent upon the personal views of women, which vary and can reasonably fit either “fetus is a person and therefore has human rights” or “fetus is not a person and does not have human rights.”

    • noodlestein

      May 7, 2014 at 3:27 pm

      Well reasoned. It’s nice to see this kind of debate instead of tired and screechy talking points metaphorically shouted at each other.

    • Abby

      May 7, 2014 at 1:50 pm

      I very much want the child I’m carrying now–we tried for fourteen months to get pregnant, and every ultrasound and sound of his heartbeat has been a tiny miracle. I can’t wait until he’s actually here.

      But this pregnancy has made me more staunchly pro-choice than ever because, for the first time, I’ve been confronted with the fact that in many places, my personhood is trumped by my fetus’ personhood. I was in Texas when the story broke about the woman being kept on life support so that her (not yet viable) fetus could continue gestating, and hearing about it gave me a literal panic attack. The idea of a culture that so strongly values fetuses over the mothers carrying them is terrifying to me.

      And though this pregnancy hasn’t been hard on me, it hasn’t been fun or easy either. I’ve been fortunate: I have the support of a wonderful husband and family, good health insurance, and the financial means to care for this child. Many other women don’t have those things; many other women simply don’t want to be pregnant. And it’s not my job to force them to go through all of these frightening changes against their will.

    • Rachel Sea

      May 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm

      So when I was raped and impregnated at 12, I should have just continued to host because my son being baby shaped gives you loving feelings? What kind of a life would he have had being raised half as my son, half as my brother, and learning that his father was a teenage rapist? Would you have paid for the lifetime of therapy it would take to make either him or I functioning members of society after that?

      Your judgement means shit until you face what it is to have a truly unwanted pregnancy.

    • JenH1986

      May 7, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      I want to like this comment because your story is why we pushed so hard for choice. But I just can’t bring myself to like it because it happened. Love and Light to you for moving on (as best you could) and being the rad person you are today.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 7, 2014 at 2:38 pm

      I’m with JenH here… thank you a million times for the story, but boo that it happened.

    • NorthernGirl

      May 7, 2014 at 2:37 pm

      Becoming a mom made me remain strongly pro choice. I want my daughter to be able to make choices about her body and what is right for her.

    • JJ

      May 7, 2014 at 7:44 pm

      Well when the unborn can live independently outside a women’s body and be their own independent being then they can rights. But they don’t so until the day comes that we somehow transfer the fetus to the father or an incubating machine via some sort of implant there will hopefully be no unborn rights. The women was their first and its her body, she is a human being with rights, not just a baby incubator. Also do any of these people who claim to be anti abortion and pro fetus rights ever actually adopt children? Or donate money towards helping the born children and their mothers once they are out in the world? or is it easier to protect the unborn while completely caring less about them the moment they are outside the womb. Oh thats okay just toss them off into the adoption system now I only care about the unborn.

  15. CW

    May 7, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    One’s own pregnancy can make someone who is “personally anti-abortion but politically libertarian” tilt over into the firmly pro-Life side. BTDT. But if Hillary’s own pregnancy didn’t change her mind about legal abortion-on-demand, then why would Chelsea’s pregnancy be the catalyst?

    • noodlestein

      May 7, 2014 at 3:30 pm

      Nope, nope, nope. The only time that happens is when the woman it happens to is entitled enough to think that HER revelation about her potential speshul snowflyake should change the laws for everyone.

    • brebay

      May 7, 2014 at 8:04 pm

      No, no, no. That’s the whole point, it’s not about whether we would or wouldn’t. Had two kids, love them to death, more pro-choice than ever. I’d hate to see their lives thrown away having to raise a baby as at teenager.

    • RW

      May 8, 2014 at 12:15 am

      Believe it or not, there are lots of pro-choice folk out there who would never dream of getting an abortion, regardless of circumstances, but still believe that a woman should have the right to choose what happens with their bodies and their very lives.

      Like many others who have commented here, after having a child of my own I’m more firmly entrenched in camp pro-choice. I would not wish pregnancy on anyone who does not actively want the outcome of a child to drastically change their life.

  16. NYBondLady

    May 7, 2014 at 12:46 pm

    Hilary changed her tune on gay marriage.
    Just sayin’

    • keelhaulrose

      May 7, 2014 at 2:39 pm

      But she didn’t change her tune on gay marriage because Chelsea came out, which would be a valid comparison.

  17. Alex Lee

    May 7, 2014 at 12:49 pm

    No mention of higher-quality preschool education?

    Because what happens after birth (mmm…afterbirth) is just as critical as the birth itself, yes?

    • 021010

      May 7, 2014 at 1:13 pm

      ooh … she looks like a very flutey lass ( wink )

    • Valerie

      May 7, 2014 at 2:57 pm

      Uhhhh thanks. I think? 🙂

  18. 021010

    May 7, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    hard core Pro-Life people think an egg and sperm is a baby at 24 hours old … it’s not a baby till past a month old … till then is nothing more than a parasite

    ” Parasite ” is a harsh description but you get the idea

    • JJ

      May 7, 2014 at 6:42 pm

      True hard core pro lifers don’t even like the morning after pill because they think a mere few hours after sex the woman is destroying a potential life. I am honestly surprised at this point that they don’t just start harvesting sperm and saving it up to because it is sacred and if your destroy it your taking away potential baby making.

    • Sara610

      May 7, 2014 at 9:11 pm

      “Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.
      If a single sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate!”

    • Music Mamma

      May 7, 2014 at 7:57 pm

      “For that matter, any masturbatory emissions, where the sperm is clearly not seeking an egg, could be deemed reckless abandonment.”

  19. TwentiSomething Mom

    May 7, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    I’m sure if Hilary was pro-choice after experiencing a pregnancy in her OWN body and birthing her own child she will continue to be once she becomes a grandma.

  20. CMP414

    May 7, 2014 at 1:17 pm

    I was Pro-Choice before I had my daughter and am pregnant again and yep still Pro-Choice. I love being a mom but I also now can see that without the right support, etc how much harder it would be so if anything my beliefs feel stronger

  21. Kay_Sue

    May 7, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    I……..really don’t get this logic.

    What’s going to drive home the idea of “real baby” more–becoming a grandmother…or giving birth yourself? Which Hillary has ever done…

    Never mind the moral/political/ethical implications, as distasteful as I find them, I just…can’t even grasp the logic.

    • SA

      May 7, 2014 at 1:39 pm

      I know. What? Of course logic has never been her strong suit.

    • Rachel Sea

      May 7, 2014 at 1:49 pm

      She follows the school of logic-schmogic.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 7, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      Well, she is a fundie, and I have seen them “logic” out the absolute craziest shit…I guess it’s my fault for being shocked.

    • RW

      May 8, 2014 at 12:09 am

      Uh, because it’s clear from her baby-murdering standpoint that her vagina is a desiccated husk and she is incapable of remembering how wonderfully awesome pregnancy and new life is (sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little even typing that). America’s only hope is that a grandbaby will once again rekindle her long-lost maternal instincts and she will see the error of her ways in a way that no other baby she has had contact with in the last 40 years could have possibly done.

      See? Makes perfect sense!

  22. Nica

    May 7, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Meh, should have just called the article “Sarah Palin is a Moron” and then you could just reuse the title for any future articles about her. Easy.

  23. tk88

    May 7, 2014 at 2:15 pm

    Because only women who never have children are pro-choice… And the fact she was once pregnant with her own daughter wasn’t enough for her to realize that the little sea monkey in there will eventually turn into a baby. o.O I really do wonder about Sarah Palin’s ability to understand other people’s point of views.

  24. Sara610

    May 7, 2014 at 2:29 pm

    Can I just say that I think the photo at the top of this article is hilarious? I’d like to caption it with “Crap, I just heard the words that came out of my mouth. Erm….”

    • K.

      May 7, 2014 at 2:43 pm

      Cue the memes!

    • brebay

      May 7, 2014 at 8:19 pm

      The turtle face worked for McConnell, what the hell, I’ll give it a try!

  25. Sarah

    May 7, 2014 at 3:04 pm

    Bless her heart

  26. AlexMMR

    May 7, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    It is possible to want a baby more than anything in the world, to mourn the loss of a miscarriage, to struggle to kick infertility’s ass and go through financial ruin and massive medical procedure to get the baby you so desire, and still understand that not everyone should be forced to have what you so desperately want.

    I’m infertile, I’ve gone through it all, I love my two hard fought for babies, and I’m firmly pro choice.

  27. kay

    May 7, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    Ready for Hillary used a picture of my baby on facebook. Every third comment was something about how “liberals want to abort babies/it’s amazing this baby’s mother didn’t abort her/if hillary is had her way this baby wouldn’t have been born” etc

    I’m pro choice, and I love being a mom. They’re not mutually exclusive. I’m thankful that I was able to have safe reliable birth control until I was ready to be a mother, and that my daughter will be given the same choices I had.

  28. JJ

    May 7, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    My close friend who was once adamently anti choice (she has since changed after having gone through pregnancy twice now) asked one of her friends who was pregnant, “so does this mean your against abortion now that your experiencing the miracle yourself now?”. And her friend awesomely was like, “No if anything it makes me more pro-choice because pregnancy is hard and raising kids is hard”. Hahah I love it. Thank goodness my friend who asked the question has since seen the light and is a little bit more open minded after two tiring pregnancies. She’s not going to get one herself, and I respect that choice, but she understand why some women do make that choice.

  29. brebay

    May 7, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    Uh, she’s dumb even if she doesn’t think that…

  30. the_ether

    May 8, 2014 at 12:45 am

    Getting pregnant made me MORE pro-choice. The changes my body is going through are monumental and amazing, but the idea of going through them if I *didn’t* want this kid? Or if I wanted them but knew they’d bankrupt me/get me stuck in an abusive relationship/cement my poverty/ruin my career/injure or kill me, is truly traumatic.

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