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The Driver Who Threw A Mom And Her Crying Child Off His Bus Needs To Get A Grip

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shutterstock_200956163__1409915993_142.196.167.223A bus driver in England made a mother whose 15-month-old was crying get off his bus. Mom also had her six-year-old son in tow. Mom tried and tried, but as much as she looked she simply couldn’t find her kid’s “off” switch. Why do people assume that parents can magically get their kids to stop crying? It does not work that way, people.

Susan Tanner says she was shocked when the driver approached her about her child. She told Kent Online:

 “The driver said: ‘Do you need some time out?’ I said what do you mean?

“He said: ‘Do you need to get off the bus because the baby is crying?’ I said no and I asked the other passengers if the baby was disturbing them. None of them said so.

“The driver then said: ‘It’s disturbing me and I would like you to get off the bus’. Frankie was so upset because he didn’t understand why his mum was thrown off the bus.”

The only people who insist that it’s possible to get a toddler to stop crying on demand are people who have never had a toddler. I am in total agreement that crying children are a distraction, but there are always distractions on public busses. Being able to weather those distractions is part of this guy’s job. The public is annoying – period. I’m trying to think of a good enough excuse to kick a mother with two small children in tow off of her means of transportation – “I’m annoyed” isn’t one of them.

Of course, there is the usual chorus of “children are the worst” that erupts when something like this happens:

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Yes! Makes total sense. Inflicting pain on a child will definitely make him stop crying. And the sky is purple and up is down.

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Supernanny can control children (in a scripted, controlled environment enhanced for TV). Why can’t you?

A woman with children has as much a right to ride the bus as anyone else. Kids cry sometimes – and whether you believe it or not, it can be impossible to get them to stop. Murphy’s Law of Public Humiliation pretty much guarantees kids exhibit this behavior at the most inopportune times – usually when trapped in a small area with a bunch of judgy passengers wondering why you can’t just beat your child into submission like the “good old days.”

(photo: Tupangato/ Shutterstock)

68 Comments

  1. alexesq33

    September 5, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Yep, happened to me in a packed elevator at my job. They convinced me to bring in the twins and they were great for about 1/2 hour – then we had to wait for the elevator for about 10 minutes (building is horrible) and then stop on every floor while they WAILED. I for sure got some nasty looks – and that was just a 1 minute elevator ride!
    Hope someone disciplined that bus driver – a crying 15 month old is different from a drunk or otherwise unruly passenger. You shouldn’t be able to turn a mom with 2 small children out into the street. Disgusting.

  2. Katherine Handcock

    September 5, 2014 at 8:30 am

    I’m torn on this one. On the one hand, I’m not of the “make the kid shut up” camp, because I know that there’s only so much you can do. On the other hand, I know that *I* am an extremely distracted driver when there is a crying child with me (not necessarily my own, either – the sound is very upsetting to me) and especially if you’re in a city environment that’s very busy, I can understand how it could be problematic.

    I’m not saying the bus driver was right to ask the mom and her kids to leave the bus, but it sounds like he was polite. His phrasing of “Do you need some time out?” even sounds like he was planning to provide her with a transfer or something similar so that she could get on the next bus. He sounds like he thought he was making the best possible call for everyone’s peace of mind and safety. I think this is more a case where the transit company needs to clarify its policy for both passengers and staff than one where we should be snarling at the driver.

    • falcongirl

      September 5, 2014 at 8:35 am

      But as a bus driver, isn’t part of his job to be able to deal with distractions? In my car I can pretty much control the conditions, but if your job is to drive the public around, I would think that part of that is dealing with the distractions that are likely to arise. You’re going to get people who talk really loudly on their cell phones, or have really annoying laughs, or haven’t taken a shower in the last week, or are wearing some really stinky perfume. Crying babies, while annoying, seem like they’d generally be an occupational hazard if you’re a bus driver and if you find that sound to be unbearably grating, maybe that’s not the career for you.

    • Lindsey

      September 5, 2014 at 10:59 am

      On our bus system, the driver has the right to kick people off for talking too loudly on their cell phones, using music without earphones, being a disturbance to other passenger, etc. So, no, it’s not his responsibility to sacrifice safe driving by driving through distractions.

    • Aldonza

      September 5, 2014 at 2:48 pm

      Yeah, I will say that our city buses have really strict noise rules, partially for having a peaceful ride for everyone but mostly for safety reasons so the driver can concentrate.

    • Spongeworthy

      September 5, 2014 at 8:38 am

      There are a lot of distractions on a city bus. It’s the drivers job to deal with those distractions. If he is also throwing off people who have loud cell phone conversations or are listening to music on full blast, then maybe I’ll buy it.

    • Katherine Handcock

      September 5, 2014 at 8:59 am

      I guess that’s what I’m getting at: is this a general policy of either this driver and this company, and they regularly remove people who are distracting in any way? Or did the driver believe, incorrectly, that he’s permitted to do so any time he feels like a passenger is affecting his driving?

      I guess it just doesn’t sound like a driver who hates kids to me; it sounds like a driver who made a bad call. And we all do that sometimes. So I don’t want to go too far into “OMG what an awful thing to do” unless there’s more reason to believe he’s a jerk. The quotes being provided by the mom herself don’t sound rude or cruel or mean, which leads me to believe this should more be in the category of “misunderstanding policy”.

    • Spongeworthy

      September 5, 2014 at 9:16 am

      If you read the original article, the bus company admits that it isn’t part of their policy. The company stated “This is definitely not part of any company procedure or policy and we
      would like to offer Miss Tanner our sincere apologies for our driver’s
      actions.”
      So no, it’s not company policy, it’s the driver reacting poorly to a situation. And I don’t think it matters how politely he asked them to leave. He kicked a mom and 2 young kids off a bus, after she paid, for no good reason. He’s driving a bus, not working in a museum. It should be pretty obvious that part of the job is dealing with noise and distraction. If the kid was running around in the aisle, or grabbing the driver, or anything like that, I would see it differently. But he wasn’t.

    • Katherine Handcock

      September 5, 2014 at 11:30 am

      Okay, I did misread the company’s statement – I read it as there being no specific policy about noisy kids, so that’s my bad.

      Even still, some of the comments that I’ve read about the driver himself seem very harsh to me. Comments about the jerks arguing people should just smack their kids more, not so much. That’s one I’m never going to understand or agree with.

    • EX

      September 5, 2014 at 11:59 am

      I think there are a lot of unknowns here. What kind of crying are we talking about? There are lots of different levels of crying some more tolerable and some less. Was this kid having a full on screaming fit, which I would agree would be very distracting or was he just crying because he was being restrained as most 18 months old are likely to do in these types of situations? In my 3+ years of being a mom I have driven with crying kids more times than I can count. And only once did I feel the need to pull over (not counting if my infant was crying because she was hungry, since breast feeding while driving is frowned upon).

  3. Spongeworthy

    September 5, 2014 at 8:37 am

    I’d love to hear some stories from the parents of the people who claim they NEVER acted up or cried in public when they were kids. Usually the parents have much different memories than they do.

  4. Awa Adams

    September 5, 2014 at 8:48 am

    That’s ridiculous. A 15 month old is still mostly an infant. An older toddler can sometimes be reasoned with, but babies give absolutely zero fucks who they annoy. There’s no way he was more annoyed than the mother; it was her ear he was closest to.

    • Guest

      September 5, 2014 at 10:01 am

      A 15 month old is clearly a toddler. They can walk and begin to talk at that age. Yes, they still can’t be reasoned with but they are not “mostly and infant.” You really can’t reason with kids until they are 4 or 5 but that does not make them infants.

    • Jayamama

      September 5, 2014 at 10:16 am

      There is a big difference between a young toddler and an older toddler, especially regarding reasoning and impulse control. A younger toddler is physically a toddler, but have yet to develop other skills that define older toddlers. Mentally, they are still very similar to babies. That’s what Awa was trying to say, I think.

    • Awa Adams

      September 5, 2014 at 11:06 am

      Exactly what Jayamama said. Developmentally speaking, a fifteen month old is only just emerging into toddlerhood. Some can walk, and some early bloomers have 5-10 words they can speak clearly and with comprehension, while some are still crawling and only know the names of their parents and a few close family members or caregivers, if they’re talking at all.

    • EX

      September 5, 2014 at 12:07 pm

      I gotta go with Jaymama and Awa Adams on this one. The 15-20 (roughly) month age range is for sure the hardest to travel with. They are not satisfied to sit still for more than 5 seconds and they can’t comprehend why they can’t run around. My evidence for this is a flight I took with my daughter at this stage in which she repeatedly cried “All Done! Outside!” Now that she is 3 she is pretty reasonable and would be able to understand that we can’t open the plane doors at 20,000 feet. So, yeah, a 15 month old is like a big, hyperactive mobile baby.

  5. Véronique the Attachment Shark

    September 5, 2014 at 8:50 am

    Oh I love the “kids NEVER cried back in my days” *eyeroll* and the whole “back then we smacked” – yes, our society is soooo balanced and sain right now… nice try…

    • JAN

      September 6, 2014 at 3:48 pm

      First, I figure these peoe were probably the most atrocious kids themselves. Second, I just really think they don’t remember. My FIL always comments that their kids weren’t as messy as all of the grandkids are (commenting on the crumbs under the kids table) his wife just rolls her eyes and says they were, he just doesn’t remember.

  6. Bleu Cheese Bewbs

    September 5, 2014 at 8:51 am

    Sorry, Mom was a paying passenger. A crying child is not the same as an adult/oler child that is in control of what they are doing. I rode public transportation to and from all sorts of places growing up and have sene some truly awful behavior that would count as a distraction. Sexual harassment, loud music, arguments, bullying – all those things are within the control of the person doing them and I wouldn’t argue against the person doing them being kicked off the bus. A crying baby though? Babies cry, sorry. I don’t like to hear it either but as long as Mom is doing her best, she doesn’t deserve to be kicked off the public transportation that she paid to use.

  7. Véronique the Attachment Shark

    September 5, 2014 at 8:54 am

    People should stop expecting that when you take public transportation, you deserve a nice time of peace and relaxation. It’s PUBLIC. Therefore, there will be people. And generally, people make all kinds of noises. Some of them are loud. You deal with it. Or put your headphones on.

    • Lindsey

      September 5, 2014 at 10:57 am

      I think we can all agree that if the bus driver is distracted, that is a bad thing. It’s different if you are a passenger.

    • Véronique the Attachment Shark

      September 5, 2014 at 11:03 am

      the bus driver is trained to drive with noise. That’s his job. It’s completely unprofessional for him to kick a baby off the bus for doing something babies do. If he gets easily distracted, he needs to find a new job. Perhaps drive the underground trains instead, where he’s in a separate cabin.

    • Lindsey

      September 5, 2014 at 12:19 pm

      And in my city, the bus drivers have the right to kick off people who are talking loudly on their cell phones or who are listening to music without headphones. I’m not saying this is the same thing, but still, it is a major distraction, and a bus driver has to think about safety before comfort.

    • EX

      September 5, 2014 at 12:01 pm

      While I agree with the first half of your comment, I don’t think putting headphones on is really an option for the driver.

    • AE Vorro

      September 5, 2014 at 1:02 pm

      Right? It seems obvious but apparently not…

  8. Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

    September 5, 2014 at 8:55 am

    Well, jeebus, people, if you all just smacked your insufferable brats a little more, when they were having totally developmentally appropriate reactions, or doing other insufferable things like, ya know, breathing….

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      September 5, 2014 at 9:00 am

      UGHHHHH the breathing! How dare they!

    • Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

      September 5, 2014 at 9:21 am

      I know. IF ONLY PARENTS STILL KNEW HOW TO PARENT!

  9. Shelly Lloyd

    September 5, 2014 at 9:21 am

    I love the “I watch so-and-so’s show who can always quite children. So there for you are not trying as hard. Oh and I don’t have kids. But I’m an expert. Because I watch a reality tv show about it.”
    Can you hear my eyes rolling?

    • Jezebeelzebub

      September 5, 2014 at 12:04 pm

      I love that, too. They should have to watch an episode of Bear Grylls on his TV show and then display the ability to do all the shit he did in a similar environment. Because once you see something done on TV, that means you now have the ability to replicate what you have seen. Once I saw a gall bladder surgery….

    • Allyson_et_al

      September 5, 2014 at 10:16 pm

      I can totally do time travel now. I watch it on tv all the time.

    • Shelly Lloyd

      September 6, 2014 at 8:55 am

      All we need is a blue police box…..

    • JAN

      September 6, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      Like I told my brother, whose wife is currently expecting their first child, when he critiqued my child rearing, “I, too, was a perfect parent….before I had children.”

  10. mediocrity511

    September 5, 2014 at 9:31 am

    I don’t think it’s black and white, from the words quoted he never actually ordered them off the bus, he suggested it and then stated that was his preference. It also really depends on the bus route, in cities buses are often every ten minutes, so getting off and having a quick break before hopping on the next one along isn’t that unreasonable. If it was in a rural area where buses are hourly or less, it’s clearly unacceptable to ask her to leave.

  11. allisonjayne

    September 5, 2014 at 9:36 am

    I love all these “My mom smacked me if I was misbehaving and I turned out awesome” like um no you didn’t, you actually sound like you’re a total dicknose and I absolutely do not want my kid to end up like you!

    I’m a little bitter maybe because a family member of mine posted something on facebook recently about how kids today need to be hit more often. This person (who, yes, was definitely hit by their parents – it was terrifying) is not a parent, they have never been able to keep a job, and they are (apparently) mooching off of everyone they know, not to mention that this person was one of the most cranky and immature people I’ve ever known when we were kids and as far as I can tell hasn’t changed at all.

    I’m like, yes, oh please tell me more about how being hit as a kid made you into the person you are today.

    • allisonjayne

      September 5, 2014 at 9:37 am

      That said, I usually do get off the bus if my kid won’t stop crying (because I’m a big fan of using natural consequences with my kid).

      But if someone actually made me do it? Yeah, I’d be livid.

    • rockmonster

      September 5, 2014 at 12:02 pm

      Facebook person done commit projection bias.

    • AE Vorro

      September 5, 2014 at 1:04 pm

      “I love all these “My mom smacked me if I was misbehaving and I turned out awesome” like um no you didn’t, you actually sound like you’re a total dicknose and I absolutely do not want my kid to end up like you!”

      Yes x 1 million!

    • MerlePerle

      September 5, 2014 at 1:05 pm

      My favorite reply, that I read on here recently, was; No, you didn’t turn out fine, you think it’s okay to Hit children!

    • ted3553

      September 5, 2014 at 2:06 pm

      not to mention that I doubt a smack would make this kid instantly stop crying like some of the comments seems to suggest. I’m not sure that if someone’s upset and you hit them, they’ll instantly be calm.

    • allisonjayne

      September 5, 2014 at 2:39 pm

      Yeah…unless they know that if they don’t stop, they’ll get hit even worse.

      Which, sadly, a lot of kids probably do know, which probably explains why I unfortunately HAVE seen that technique “work”.

      Gosh I just want to go hug both my parents right now and thank them for not hitting me.

  12. Zettai

    September 5, 2014 at 10:48 am

    When I was riding the CTA daily I saw people get told by the driver to quiet down often, usually for talking too loudly. If there was a bigger distraction on the bus, like people getting crazy/aggressive (seen most during Chicago winters), the bus driver has pulled over the bus and told them to get off. If they didn’t the police were called. Sometimes the other passengers broke things up or asked others to be quiet, so none of this is a huge deal to me.

    I know the mom in the story was trying, but how long was the crying going on? Are we talking about a couple minutes or just straight crying for five or more minutes? The original article doesn’t say. When do we stop saying “kids are kids” and ask for a little responsibility, like mom getting off the bus, thinking that it sucks that she wasted a transfer or whatever, but deciding it would be rude to the rest of the bus, especially the person driving, to listen to all that until she reached her destination? I’m a little sick of being expected to be enraged every time a mom gets the short end of the stick just because she’s a mom. When you have kids you’re expected to make some sacrifices, big and small.

    • JAN

      September 6, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      What lines did you ride? I ride the CTA and I’ve never seen ANYONE out off the bus and I took it daily to class and it was generally loud. Lots of cell phone conversations, multiple times I’ve heard kids crying. I generally ride the 74, 49, or 77 (north side). I wish they’d kick people off sometimes, especially able bodies people hogging the disabled seating.

    • Zettai

      September 9, 2014 at 12:54 pm

      I was taking the Irving Park bus, Clark, and the 49 Western too. The Irving Park bus was where I saw the most “action,” lol. I especially recall when two-ways were big and the driver would tell them to keep it down. Of course you couldn’t control the two-way volume then, so the person would grumble and end the conversation or loudly grumble, slipping in an insult about the driver, then end the conversation.

      It’s only been about 5 years since I left and now I’m wondering just how much has changed!

  13. rockmonster

    September 5, 2014 at 11:07 am

    A one-year-old baby isn’t going to respond well to physical force, you guys.
    That said, bus drivers can be distracted just like other drivers. He didn’t have to order the family off, but ow.

  14. gueststar

    September 5, 2014 at 11:24 am

    I gotta side with the driver in this case. My husband is a commercial driver and he has a camera on him at all times. He is not allowed to use his cell, drink, listen to anything (ipod, radio, etc), smoke, or even talk. In addition he is required by his employer & federal DOT laws to pull the bus over and immediately handle passengers which may be a distraction-which includes requesting they exit the bus. Distracted drivers-no matter where the distraction is coming from-cause accidents and when you are driving a passenger bus full of people the stakes are high. If my husband has an accident due to a distraction caused by a passenger that he did not attempt to rectify (remember, he & everything happening on the bus is being recorded), he is fired and he is personally liable for any injuries that occur. One of his co-workers is currently a defendant in a multi-million dollar lawsuit for exactly that. That people believe drivers are “trained” to tune out such things is…I just don’t understand what sort of training they think that involves. My husband can ignore some things for sure after many years on the job but if he gets to the point where he finds something a distraction you can bet it IS a a safety issue.

    • Jezebeelzebub

      September 5, 2014 at 11:57 am

      If that kid was screaming in the driver’s ear- sure- I totally agree with you. The way it’s described in the article, though, it didn;t come off that way. To me, anyway.

    • gueststar

      September 5, 2014 at 12:05 pm

      On the linked article it says the family boarded the bus at 12:30 and the child started crying. At 1:00 the bus driver asked them to depart. If the child was truly crying for 30 minutes, I absolutely think that anyone would consider that to be an unreasonable distraction. If it was just a few minutes then the driver is an asshole. I couldn’t drive safely for 30 minutes with my own child crying, let alone a multi-ton vehicle in traffic.

    • Jezebeelzebub

      September 5, 2014 at 12:11 pm

      ehhhh… maybe. maybe we are trying to argue semantics, here, but there could be a difference between extended crying and screaming for 30 minutes. Maybe the kid only has 2 volumes- “off” and “MAX”- that could be the case. If so, then hell yeah the driver was right to do what he did. If not… well….. not so much.

    • koolchicken

      September 5, 2014 at 5:25 pm

      Don’t they use recordings of babies crying as methods of torture in some countries?

      I think as parents we sometimes think “Oh, it was just a little fussing” while everyone around us would describe it as all out shrieking. I know my own mother could tune out any child screaming, assuming she even noticed a screeching child in the first place. All those years working in day cares and pediatrics have numbed her. But most people aren’t like that.

      I think your response is perfect. Bus drivers are able to tune things out, after many years of just working with the public on a noisy bus. But they’re still human and they don’t undergo military-esque training to learn how to tune out screaming babies. If the driver felt he had to remove them for his sanity and the safety of everyone, then I’m on his side 100%. I wouldn’t want to hear my own kid scream for an hour, let alone anyone else’s.

  15. AbethS

    September 5, 2014 at 11:45 am

    I love the people who say “this never happened back in my day.” Haven’t they ever heard “The Wheels On the Bus?” That song has been around forever, and I’m pretty sure there’s a whole verse of “the baby on the bus goes wah-wah-wah…”

    • Jezebeelzebub

      September 5, 2014 at 12:00 pm

      HA! That is a really good point, I think!

    • Spongeworthy

      September 5, 2014 at 12:44 pm

      Haven’t you ever heard the long-lost verse of this song? “The driver on the bus says ‘Get the fuck off the bus! Get off the bus! Get off the bus! All through the town…”

  16. Jezebeelzebub

    September 5, 2014 at 11:55 am

    Whoa, I’m pretty a-holey but even *I* think this is fucked up. One of my least favorite things in the world (next to brussels sprouts and mascara that is supposed to be waterproof but really isn;t at all) is the sound of crying/shrieking children. That’s why I don;t like to leave my house very often, because in public I will be confronted with many things I don;t care for. And when that happens, what *I* like to do is SUCK IT UP BECAUSE I’M NOT THE BOSS OF EVERYONE. A driver for a public transportation bus who can’t deal with the sound of a crying kid might be in the wrong line of work, is all I’m saying. What if someone on the bus farts (It could happen, sometimes they sneak out) and the stench is distracting? Oh, goodbye forever!

    As long as that kid wasn’t crawling around on people or grabbing at the wheel while the guy was driving, there was no reason to put that lady off the damn bus. Now if the kid was just full-on screaming wildly at the top of his voice… that I could see. But kids *cry* and sometimes they do it loudly- such is life, especially when you work with the public. The way that story is told, that driver was just being a dick. I don;t think he needs to be fired or strung up by his thumbs, but maybe his boss needs to sit him down and explain to him that sometimes in life things happen that we don;t like- even when we are at work. And when those things happen, we carry on because that is how life works.

  17. Rachel Sea

    September 5, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    If he can’t handle distractions, maybe he shouldn’t be a bus driver.

  18. KaeTay

    September 5, 2014 at 12:42 pm

    I don’t get why people think that a 15 month old is going to be the best behaved child and when you say; “now now” be quiet” and it doesn’t work that you’re a bad parent.. children cry.. children are learning about their emotions and testing their boundaries. Maybe the child was crying because they were tired and she was on her way home.

    As a driver for public transportation guess what you will have to deal with people arguing, people singing outloud while having earbuds in (so fucking annoying) and children crying. I’d probably carry a small few bags of like graham crackers if I was the driver and offer them to a baby who was really fussy and old enough to eat them. It’s amazing what a cracker can do with a kid sometimes. I always have things sitting out so if my daughter gets fussy I can hand her 1 of her 3 magic quieting methods (which doesn’t always work, so then I just block it out until I am home)

    I just know kicking the mom off the bus wasn’t solving the issue.. it was putting a mom with two kids out on the street.

    • Elizabeth Wakefield

      September 5, 2014 at 8:40 pm

      I would not allow my child to take food from a stranger.

    • Seriously?

      September 7, 2014 at 9:03 pm

      I’m assuming you don’t take your kids out for Trick or Treat night at Halloween then?

    • Elizabeth Wakefield

      September 7, 2014 at 10:18 pm

      We go to the neighbors we know.

  19. Elissa

    September 5, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Are people under the impression that public transportation is supposed to be an enjoyable experience? I sort of feel like as long as someone isn’t actively urinating on you, you should shut your face hole about your expectations of comfort.

    And Lulz for the Facebook comments about “back in my day, there were never crying babies on busses.” Yes, before 1980 babies never cried. It’s totally a new thing.

  20. Stephanie

    September 5, 2014 at 1:44 pm

    I love the “there were no screaming children in the 80’s” comments. I was born in the early eighties and my mom and dad still tell the story of how I would climb on the table and try to walk around on it while they tried to eat dinner in public. I think I was 2 maybe? When they tried to get me down they said I would scream and cry until they had to leave. They say I did it at home too, but there they just let me stand on the table so they could eat. If no other child screamed in the eighties, I did. So that argument is invalid.

  21. Shhh

    September 5, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    Um, yeah, no if your kid is screaming bloody murder and it is distracting my driver (and I assume it has to be bad to be distracting a city bus driver) then you can get off. You do not have a right to ride the bus whenever you want and do whatever you want. He is the bus driver and his say is what counts. If you have a problem with it don’t take the bus.

  22. koolchicken

    September 5, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    I’m going to side with the driver here. If the crying was really so out of control he had to say something then I think it was probably overt. We’re also only getting one side of the story. And I seriously doubt this woman will admit to it if her kid really was off the wall. No, it’s better to paint yourself as the victim if you’re looking for sympathy- or an excuse for not getting your way while your kids run riot.

    Riding a city bus is a privilege, not a right. People seem to forget that.

  23. sorrynotsorry

    September 5, 2014 at 6:41 pm

    Your crying kid doesn’t trump my need for safety.

    • footnotegirl

      September 5, 2014 at 8:23 pm

      You know, if I can drive my car with a crying kid in the back without it being dangerous, a bus driver in a bus FULL of people talking and such can probably handle a crying kid at the back, and if he can’t, he shouldn’t be on the road.

    • jams

      September 5, 2014 at 10:12 pm

      You are right-driving a 40 ton vehicle that is three to four times the length of a car in the midst of traffic when everyone’s sole purpose is to get around the slow bus because they’re in a big hurry all while people are loud, music is played, a baby is crying, and you have to not only focus on the road but make your 50+ stops on time and keep your 40 passengers safe…that is exactly like driving a car with a crying baby.

  24. Johnstone

    September 6, 2014 at 4:15 am

    This is my county. Ugh.

    I disagree with the bus driver. Mum is a paying customer, there is no policy that says “crying babies off”. He wouldn’t have approached a bunch of teenagers shouting, or a man playing loud music on his phone, or someone talking loudly and annoyingly on their phone, or someone with vile smelly food. Often mothers are target of bullies like this because they think they can get away with it.

    A bus driver’s job involves being able to drive with distractions. The mother has the right to use the bus. Public transport sucks, but sadly you can’t stop the distractions, even the “old enough to know better” asshole variety mentioned above.

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