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If You Think The Michael Sam Kiss Isn’t Okay For Kids To See – Congrats! You’re A Homophobe

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michael-sam-kissMichael Sam is the first openly gay player on the NFL roster. He celebrated being drafted by the St. Louis Rams by kissing his boyfriend. What an amazing moment. It was captured by ESPN, and as you can imagine there are a lot of homophobic idiots who are not happy about it. Two of them were hosts on a Dallas morning show who were so beside themselves that they stormed off the air.

One of them was an older woman who looks to be in her late sixties, early seventies. I certainly don’t give older people a pass for being racist or homophobic – I guess I’m just not as surprised by it. Here’s some of her little tirade, in which she not only blasts Michael Sam, but defends Clippers owner Donald Sterling against the racist comments he made about his black players because he was “in his own home” when he said them. She’s also offended that players who Tweeted negative responses to the Sam kiss where fined by the league:

“I’m shaking my head because people don’t have the right to express the way they feel if it offends someone else. I live in America. I still feel like I have the right of freedom of speech, and I don’t have to be penalized for my own opinions in my own home.The Clippers guy was in his home.”

I love it. She’s pissed because people don’t have the right to be homophobic and racist in their own homes. Yet Michael Sam was in his own home when he decided to express himself by kissing his boyfriend – and she’s upset about that. So I guess the “I live in America” sentiment only applies when your talking about the very ‘Mericun qualities of being a racist, homophobic old bitch.

But then her much younger co-host, Amy Kushnir, chimes in:

“When parents do not have a choice about whether or not they want their children to see this, it is wrong … I don’t call it a moment of celebration … It’s being pushed in faces. I don’t want to see that. I don’t want to see cake in your face, kissing each other.”

She doesn’t want a celebratory moment between two people who love each other shared on television because her kids might see it. Yeah. That would be awful. All of that love and stuff. Who wants to teach their kids about that? She also goes on to insist that ESPN wouldn’t have shown it if it was a heterosexual couple. Oh, totally. I’m sure ESPN has never taken a shot of a player giving his wife a celebratory kiss. Stop talking Amy. You just sound like an idiot.

I actually feel sorry for people like Kushnir, who so comfortably share their small, homophobic views. They are definitely on the wrong side of history, and one day their children and grandchildren are going to stumble upon this footage an be confused, ashamed and embarrassed.

I’ll end with the most perfect response video ever, for those parents who think the Michael Sam kiss is confusing to kids.

(photo: YouTube)

275 Comments

  1. Kelly

    May 15, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Yep, these are the same type of people who said, “I don’t hate black people, I just don’t want to see them using our drinking fountains.” who horrified me and my classmates when we learned about them in school.

    It blows my mind that these homophobes don’t see that. They are exactly the same as those people.

    • Armchair Observer

      May 17, 2014 at 2:04 pm

      What I’d like to know is what it’s a “phobia” (a fear) rather than an “-ism” (a set of beliefs)? We don’t call people who hate people of another race racephobes and we don’t call men or women who demean women sexphobes. Let’s get real an call them what they are homoists. They’re not afraid, they’re some combination of mean, evil, and/or stupid.

  2. SunnyD847

    May 15, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    I’ve never understood why guys love it so much when two girls kiss, but DAMN those guys are hot!

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 2:21 pm

      You win the Internet today.

    • Lilly

      May 15, 2014 at 3:58 pm

      Michael Sam’s boyfriend is a swimmer so yeah – I ended up hot ‘n’ bothered

      http://www.buzzfeed.com/tonymerevick/michael-sam-is-dating

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 4:08 pm

      Holy abdominals, Batman!

    • calichick

      May 15, 2014 at 4:17 pm

      Hot does not even begin to describe those two…my husband looked at Vito’s abs and said he might now be gay for him. Plus he’s uber-jealous of those abs. Get to working out then, honey 😉

    • Stifler Plays Tennis

      May 15, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:19 pm

      My mother found a stash of this nature in my brother’s room years ago and was BEYOND CONFUSED at why he had “lesbian porn.”

    • Stifler Plays Tennis

      May 15, 2014 at 4:20 pm

      THAT is a major motion picture starring some actresses that escape my memory right now.

      I’m just gonna keep silent and watch the gif.

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      Looks like Amanda Seyfried? And I bet all those guys who were so disturbed and grossed out by Sams and his boyfriend would not have a problem watching this.

    • Stifler Plays Tennis

      May 15, 2014 at 4:32 pm

      NO GUY should ever have a problem watching this

    • candyvines

      May 15, 2014 at 4:59 pm

      Maybe Michael Sam – but I’d like to think he’s open-minded.

    • Stifler Plays Tennis

      May 15, 2014 at 7:17 pm

      Well, if he does, I’ll forgive him since he’s gay. 😀

      Serious note:

      The best way for Michael Sam to deal with all this is to perform well. I mean, he’s the Jackie Robinson of gay dudes (albeit in a MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more tolerant era than what Jackie had to endure). If he goes out there and blows a few coverage, miss tackles, the anti-gay thing will really heat up.

      (You have no idea how hard it was for me not to make gay jokes/puns re: football…)

    • candyvines

      May 15, 2014 at 8:55 pm

      I admire your self-control 🙂

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:27 pm

      yeah, this was some 80’s porn, but she was just completely clueless that straight men would have any interest in watching two hot girls get it on.

    • Stifler Plays Tennis

      May 15, 2014 at 4:33 pm

      Even two moderately attractive chicks is good!

  3. K.

    May 15, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    A gay AND interracial kiss that involves a professional athlete for the all-American NFL? Oh my stars!

    And please—parents “don’t have a choice”?? Well, for one, Twitter is optional; two, the Internet is optional; three, the TV is optional. You know what’s NOT optional? The fact that you might leave your house and see two gay people kissing. That you don’t control.

    So I suggest you stay home—stay home, homophobes! Don’t worry about the rest of the world; we’ll take care of stuff without you!

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 2:36 pm

      Yeah, I don’t get her whole “it’s being shoved in our faces!” Uh, no, you chose to watch it. Homophobes always they have nothing against gay people, but they “just don’t want to see it.” Don’t want to see what? Actual intercourse? I don’t want to see that either…from anyone gay or straight. But if you mean you don’t want to see even the most benign PDA, like a hug, kiss, or holding hands then you DO have something against gay people, you ARE a homophobe, and you need to STFU.

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      I sincerely doubt granny was watching the NFL draft or any of the follow up. Which means she sought out the video. so…yea. She makes no sense.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:26 pm

      So true. Don’t know many kids that find it that riveting either…

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      I guess I’m a uggophobe, but I would SO much rather see a PDA by two hot gay people (of either sex) than two morbidly obese Wal-Mart shoppers in ill-fitting clothes and a strange odor…

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 4:27 pm

      Hey now, love is love!

    • Psych Student

      May 17, 2014 at 5:50 pm

      So many stupid people go “well I don’t like seeing any PDA, therefore it’s ok to be outraged by this gay kiss”. Yeah, well, do you make a huge deal out of straight PDA? Do you hop on Twitter and say things like “he should die”? Do you make a case out of it or say how scarring it is for your children? Do you say it’s “being rubbed in your face”? You don’t. And no one thinks you do.

    • Sophia Patel

      May 16, 2014 at 4:50 am

  4. Maggie May

    May 15, 2014 at 2:21 pm

    Not two men kissing! Next we’ll all be marrying lizards! Or something equally silly.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 3:17 pm

      You jest, but one of my google alerts is for the “gay agenda” and a very similar opinion was put forth on a conservative blog yesterday, as marriage equality keeps pushing forward….

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:19 pm

      Was it puppies? Wouldn’t it be cute to see a puppy in a wedding dress or a little tux with their little wiggly tail hanging out?

    • candyvines

      May 15, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      Fuck, you beat me! Here’s mine anyway:

    • jane

      May 15, 2014 at 5:08 pm

      Why am I not at that wedding RIGHT NOW?!

    • Armchair Observer

      May 17, 2014 at 2:08 pm

      I’ll just go right out there and say what we’re all thinking: What happens between two adorably consenting canines is none of my business. Though, I might make it my screensaver…

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm

      I really, really wish…

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    • Maggie May

      May 15, 2014 at 3:26 pm

      The only “gay agenda” I currently acknowledge is one of dads trying to convince the other to redo their master bath yet again.

      That and world domination are miles ahead of lizard/human relations. Madam Vastra was light years ahead of the times.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 3:34 pm

      I did various buzzwords for the alert. It’s dragged me into a pit of insanity from whence I don’t know how to escape…

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:36 pm

      This is the Official Gay Agenda, yours for $9.99

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 4:38 pm

      I would have loved that between the ages of 8 and 13….

    • Maggie May

      May 15, 2014 at 5:21 pm

      I think I had a notebook like that when I was like 8…

  5. NYBondLady

    May 15, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    A nitpick: Was the kiss “captured” by ESPN, as the author writes, or was it a staged moment filmed by Oprah’s film crew for his upcoming reality TV show, which was then broadcast by ESPN?
    The fact that this was staged, to prove a point, say, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 2:32 pm

      How do you know it’s staged?
      There was a lot of debate going on about whether or not Sam would be drafted at all. As defensive player of the year it would have been unprecedented for him NOT to be drafted, so the fact that he had to wait days to get the call is shocking, and plenty enough time for people to get to his house to cover it.
      Most potential players do not attend the draft in person. They attend it at home, surrounded by loved ones, which has included the occasional wife or girlfriend. And it’s not hard to find images of the newly drafted person kissing said wife or girlfriend in the moments after being picked. And no one says jack shit about it.
      I’m sick and resentful of the implication that anyone in a same-sex relationship showing their partner affection in a celebratory moment is either staging it for attention/ratings/whatever, or ‘shoving it in our faces’. When you love someone you show them affection in celebratory moments. It’s human nature.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      Sam has continously said that he wants the focus on his football, not his personal life. And then he invites Oprah into his home to document his life and everyone knew this would make great reality TV. They have been filming for weeks before the draft. C’mon.

    • Rachel Sea

      May 15, 2014 at 2:51 pm

      How dare he be a public role model for gay kids. Obviously if it were just about sports he would hide from the public and not have a personal life at all.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 2:54 pm

      Right, because when a straight athlete does an interview about his life, he never dares show any affection to his wife.

      You’re just a homophobe, whether you’re willing to admit it to yourself or not.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      I mean, look at all these athletes being totally respectable of their wives/girlfriends, and keeping the PDA to a minimum…
      The first picture certainly isn’t Drew Brees giving his wife a very passionate kiss after winning the Superbowl because he’s celebrating his accomplishment, kind of like Michael Sam was celebrating his.

      http://www.outsports.com/2014/5/11/5706172/michael-sam-gay-kiss-gross-disgusting-straight

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      Can you please explain to me why you think I am a homophobe?

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 3:48 pm

      Because you have a problem with a man kissing a man he loves. It doesn’t get any more obvious than that. He doesn’t need to convince you that kissing his boyfriend was genuine and not something he did just to irritate you.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      When did I say I have a problem with it? I have no doubt that Sam and his bf kiss all the time.

      I have a problem with disingenuous coverage.

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      “I have a problem with disingenuous coverage.”

      That may literally be the stupidest thing I’ve read in a long time.
      Define “genuine” media coverage.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      You sure do you have a problem if you think a relatively brief kiss between a real life couple constitutes disingenuous coverage.

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      Since ESPN was at several other NFL draft calls (Dez Bryant, JJ Wilkes in years past) I really think ESPN was covering it, they kissed and the world exploded.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 4:07 pm

      I wouldn’t sweat it- this lady can’t help herself, she calls people stupid like it’s some sort of twitch.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      I wouldn’t feel the need to call either of you stupid if you didn’t say such stupid things. 🙂

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      He is in his HOME with his family, friends, and boyfriends. And if being gay was not a big deal I doubt Oprah would be interested in him at all, but because it’s 2014 and we’re still having discussions that sound like “gay football players will only want to rape all their teammates in the locker room” she’s going to cover it.
      Gay children need to see people like Michael Sam. They need to see that there are gay jocks, you’re not limited to being the Will or the Jack like everyone thought for so many years. You can do what you want, be DEFINED as something other than by your sexuality. Gay kids need to see that this is normal, and you can be accepted even in a man’s-man organization like the NFL, even if it’s bullshit that someone of your playing caliber had to wait until pick 249 to get it done.
      Want it to stop being a big deal? Stop making a big deal about it. Sixty years ago if his white boyfriend had been a white girlfriend people would be saying the same shit as you are, but now it’s hardly a blip on anyone’s radar, and Oprah isn’t going to send a crew out to speak to someone about you kissing your different-color paramour.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      This makes NO sense. If you don’t want to make it a big deal (but you say in your opening line that being gay is a big deal that is why Oprah is talking about it), then stop making it a big deal? Cool, then, Sam should get the same coverage that every 7th round or whatever it was draft pick got. Can you name any other football players than went in the 7th round? Yeah, didn’t think so.
      Being gay, it’s a big deal! But don’t make it a big deal, because we don’t want it to be a big deal!

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      Kissing a significant other isn’t making anything a big deal. It’s just kissing the person you’re involved with.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 3:05 pm

      I think you are trying to make a larger point here, as I am below, but it’s getting lost amongst all the open minded folks.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:08 pm

      I don’t see your comment yet, Kate!

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      No. I don’t want to make a big deal about it. I want it to be to the point where the story would be that the Defensive Player of the Year didn’t manage to get drafted until the seventh freaking round, and not who the fuck he kissed after he did so. Unfortunately that’s all everyone is talking about, and so it needs to be shown that it does happen. Wouldn’t it be great if the celebration video was only that, a celebration video, like hundreds of others? No one talks about Drew Brees kissing his wife after a win, they talk about how he PLAYED.
      To get to the point where it’s not a big deal, it has to be shown. It has to be normalized. It has to get to the point where pundits aren’t crying about how immoral it is.
      Oh, and Charles Leno, drafted in the 7th round by my Chicago Bears. I like football enough I actually watch the draft.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 3:10 pm

      Okay, this makes sense to me.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      What she’s saying is that the first openly gay player Being drafted into the NFL is a BIG DEAL. The PDA is not a big deal, at least it wouldn’t be if people would stop freaking out about gay people showing PDA. And as more and more professional athletes come out gay football players will become less of a big deal.

      You aren’t really that obtuse, are you?

    • Sarah

      May 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm

      No no no, she is just soooo open-minded that she doesn’t SEE or acknowledge sexuality! Homosexuals are treated exactly like heterosexuals so can we all just shut up already?!

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:31 pm

      When they have the same rights as you, it will stop being a big deal. They don’t broadcast interracial marriages in magazines anymore, either, dig?

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 5:12 pm

      Well, to be fair, after the cheerios commercial kerfluffle, they should probably start again for a while.

    • KarenMS

      May 15, 2014 at 7:23 pm

      Exactly! And gay relationships need to be shown, and often, to normalize them. When people stop responding to these things by saying it’s being “shoved down their throat” and when they have equal rights, THEN Oprah can stop being involved.

    • G.E. Phillips

      May 15, 2014 at 3:10 pm

      @Keelhouserose, I love you.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:13 pm

      Thank you! I love football and gay people, so I’m going to defend this one til the bitter end.
      Or, you know, until they talk abut his playing and not his boyfriend.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      But his boyfriend’s pretty cute.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:15 pm

      They honestly make a really cute couple.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:17 pm

      They do!

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:47 pm

      I was like damn dude! he is a hot football player so I’m not surprised his man is hot too.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 10:56 pm

      I, for one, was shocked. NFL players usually choose partners based on purely inner beauty.

    • SunnyD847

      May 16, 2014 at 8:43 am

      Sixty years ago? I think you’re giving our society too much credit.

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 3:54 pm

      Did it occur to you that perhaps Sam sees the reality show as a way to deflect attention away from his personal life? Maybe he felt that temporary full-disclosure was the antidote to endless speculation.

      Did it also occur to you that perhaps Sam made a financial decision in agreeing to be filmed for Oprah? He hadn’t made the draft yet and could have had legitimate concerns that he wouldn’t have made it—especially because his sexuality could have caused a negative outcome. Or, maybe he looked at someone like Tiger Woods (prior to strippergate) or Anna Kournikova and realized that the money in athletics is in endorsement and increasingly in crafting yourself as brand OUTSIDE of your athletic performance?

      And finally, did it occur to you that harping on what a college athlete says to the press as some sort of sacred promise makes you sound like you’re desperate for a reason to dislike Michael Sam…probably because he represents social change you’re not ready to accept?

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:30 pm

      SOOO weird, because famous people NEVER invite Oprah into their homes to document their personal lives…

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 2:40 pm

      Didn’t look staged to me. Even if it was, what difference does it make?

      I loved it. I kept thinking “Wow, Sam’s boyfriend is just a little guy!”. Then I realized that no, it’s probably more to do with the fact that he’s a football player and probably huge… haha.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:04 pm

      I thought that too – “wow, he’s totally my size!” Then had the same realization: “no, he’s just with a giant” followed by “sigh, I’m still short.”

    • Sarah

      May 15, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      sry2say but the fact that any part of this “leaves a bad taste in your mouth” also makes you a homophobe

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 15, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      Uh-huh. Do you get a bad taste in your mouth when you see clearly staged proposals between opposite-sex couples on TV, or when male politicians kiss their wives for the cameras? Or just when same sex couples do it? (I can guess what you’ll say, but I’m also going to guess that last one is the only one you’ll take to the internet to complain about.)

    • Rachel Sea

      May 15, 2014 at 2:49 pm

      Because two men in a committed relationship never kiss? Because kisses that are less than 100% spontaneous are gross? Fuck off.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      How mature. I didn’t say anything about 2 men kissing. I don’t give a “fuck” (coming down to your level now).
      But when it’s staged, then, YES, you may question if the footage is being thrown around for other reasons.
      This is turning into a reality shitshow and no one gives a FUCK about 2 gay men kissing. People want to watch football, not some E! piece of crap.

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 15, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      You seem to care an awful lot about what these football player do for someone who doesn’t even seem to realize that no one is playing football during the draft. Watching the draft is basically the ESPN equivalent of E!’s red carpet footage.

      P.S. You can’t come “down” to Rachel’s level because she is about eight thousand levels of class above you, F-bomb or no.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:04 pm

      In my opinion, when someone throws around f-bombs it just sounds stupid and immature. I really don’t care about what Michael Sam does. I was pointing out an error in Maria’s article, because she fails to fact check all the time (I called her out last week about a Sarah Palin article).

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 15, 2014 at 3:08 pm

      How is it “fact checking” to come in and drop your opinion about how this news story that you profess to care about a lot/not at all (“PEOPLE WANT TO WATCH FOOTBALL” during the draft!) Whether you’re here to “fact-check” or not, what you’re writing is homophobic, unless you drop in on celeb gossip articles all over the place to complain about opposite-sex couple kisses being staged, too. Do you do that?

      If dropping an F-bomb makes you look stupid and immature, how come you were so quick to jump on the bandwagon? Way to stick to your principles.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:21 pm

      I was mocking.
      And the fact-checking was about the ESPN/OWN footage.
      Homophobic? Really? Because I think the story is actually kind of a non-story?
      Easy mommyish bully tactic: call someone racist/sexist/homophobic, hope they run away so real issue can be avoided.

    • Sarah

      May 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      Mhmm and what is the “real issue” here? Two gay guys kissing on tv?

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:48 pm

      Bah. They knew those cameras were there. I mean, a handshake or a good old slap on the back is much more appropriate. That’s how the hubs and I celebrate.

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 4:38 pm

      I’d be OK with it if they chest bumped….with their shirts off and after a liberal application of baby oil.

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 15, 2014 at 4:33 pm

      The real issue is that you still haven’t been able to point out, after I’ve asked you twice, a single instance in which you complained about two straight people kissing on camera, but that you have your pantaloons in a twist about two men sharing a smooch. Easy homophobe tactic: complain about being called homophobic, because pointing out homophobic actions is WAYYYY worse than performing those same actions!

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 6:43 pm

      You haven’t pointed out where I’ve complained about two men kissing on tv. Because, I’m not complaining about it. I was pointing out that the media is having a field day with some staged Oprah coverage meant for a documentary series or whatever. I can imagine the producers: “hey, guys, when mike gets the call, make sure you give each other a big smooch, really drives home the fact that you’re a gay football player! Oh, and then, maybe throw some cake around, be cutesy. Yeah, they’re gonna love it!”
      That’s all. It feels contrived for the sake of the greater argument.

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 15, 2014 at 7:11 pm

      And show me where you’ve complained about Kiss Cams, Super Bowl winners or politicians kissing their wives at a staged moment for the cameras, and public proposals that are contrived. When Sarah Palin kisses her kids on camera, do you think that’s not contrived, or do you just support the message she’s promoting but not whatever message you think Michael Sam was trying to send?

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 3:50 pm

      In my opinion, when someone gets all bent out of shape about a loving gay couple kissing each other, it just sounds stupid and immature… and homophobic.

    • guest

      May 15, 2014 at 4:17 pm

      HOW DARE YOU HAVE AN OPINION? Good lord these people are out for the attack today

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 3:09 pm

      Um, then watch football and not “some E piece of crap.” You control your TV.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm

      Have you watched the draft at all? There’s cameras everywhere, there’s a stage, people make speeches… it is a freaking E! style awards ceremony where the award is your involvement with an NFL team.

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      Well, clearly the folks at ESPN felt that enough of their viewership wanted to see the kiss because they aired it.

      So you appear to be in the minority on that one.

    • Rachel Sea

      May 15, 2014 at 6:18 pm

      If no one wanted to see it, it wouldn’t be on TV. It’s only staged if they wouldn’t normally kiss. If they were a straight couple, the kiss would be applauded. People applaud when newly married couples kiss, they applaud Kiss Cams at sporting events, they applaud when people kiss after an absence, and they applaud when people kiss over triumphs. Every other time I have EVER seen footage like this, where a person gets good news and kisses their spouse, the general public things their display of love is adorable and heartwarming. If this kiss were not between two men, you wouldn’t say a thing against it, because straight couples kiss on TV ALL THE TIME.

    • KarenMS

      May 15, 2014 at 7:27 pm

      But that’s the problem. Lots of people still give a fuck about 2 gay men kissing. They’re outraged and pissed off that they “had to see that.” Until no one is outraged anymore, it’s completely necessary to stage these kinds of things. The attempt to push for equal rights and acceptance trump having a “typical” draft.

    • JenH1986

      May 16, 2014 at 9:03 am

      I would argue it was a “typical” draft day (minus the drafting of an openly gay player). He kissed his significant other. That’s pretty typical. I do understand how @NYBondLady:disqus can think it’s contrived or staged. I don’t agree with her, but I can understand that thought since I think that happens a lot when TV’s are around. But as others have argued I don’t think it’s a gay specific thing. If the cameras missed a straight man kissing his wife they’d probably ask them to do it again. I don’t think Oprah was stalking him and begging them to kiss. I do think it sucks that a talented player was drafted so late and that even now all anyone can talk about is the kiss. Not why he was chosen late in the draft or what his chances on actually making the team are.

    • KarenMS

      May 16, 2014 at 1:13 pm

      I think what wasn’t typical about it was having cameras at home for a 7th round pick. Which I was 100% fine with.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 7:28 pm

      The fact that you think a swear word is more offensive than institutionalized bigotry is baffling.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 2:50 pm

      I am not a homophobe, and I don’t really care what other people do, as long as they don’t hurt others. I’m disturbed by all kinds of things that are on TV, none of which are related to gay folks. However. Either this is a story or it isn’t. People/media/pop culture can’t say “this is not a big deal” and then spend all of their time talking about it and discussing it like it is. And for me, no, I don’t see a lot of NFL players on TV alongside the honeys. Actually, more often it seems to be mom. So, maybe a little staged or sensationalized for me. I don’t really care, but my husband and I both noticed it at the time.

    • Sarah

      May 15, 2014 at 2:54 pm

      This IS a story. He’s the first openly gay NFL player, it’s a huge story and it’s something to celebrate.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 3:02 pm

      But why is it a huge story? What’s the big deal?

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:03 pm

      I’m going to go out on a limb and say you don’t know anything about the history of the NFL related to homosexuality.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      That’s not answering my question, that’s attacking me. Why is it such a big story? You can’t have it both ways. It’s no big deal, but it is.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm

      Who attacked you? The NFL has a long and very public history of essentially not allowing players to be public about their sexual orientation for fear of their own safety from their fellow teammates. Locker room talk, slurs, threats of violence, etc., none of which have ever been penalized by team owners or coaches.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      okay, i can see that point…

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:22 pm

      I appreciate that, I really do… but I have to ask: why else do you think we would think it would it be a big deal?

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 3:26 pm

      I guess that’s why I am asking- because I don’t see it as a big deal at all. I’m all “so what”. But I don’t spend a lot of time in locker rooms. Heh. Keelhaulrose summed it up nicely for me in the thread above.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:18 pm

      I am not sure that all the publicity will actually help his cause or other gay professional athletes. Most pros keep their personal lives out of the locker rooms. This seems more of a distraction to the Rams than anything else.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      What pros do that? We know when they get married, who they’re dating, when their wives are pregnant, when they have a kid, when their kids are sick, when their kids do drugs, how much they pay in child support, what clubs they go to, and the list goes on.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      And when they pray for god to give them touchdowns (Tebow is a shame my hometown will never live down).

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:24 pm

      There you go. We know their religion, too. lol We also typically know their politics. Why’s it all of a sudden too much of a distraction because they’re kissing a dude?

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:24 pm

      Really? That is not true. A few players are notorios for that, but most lead very normal lives.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm

      So does Michael Sam.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:29 pm

      yup, exactly why he is getting a reality TV show, right?

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:31 pm

      He’s getting a special with Oprah. Kind of like Tiger Woods after his fiasco. Or Dennis Rodman. Or Emmett Smith. Or the many adventures of Quarterback wives/girlfriends (Giselle, Jessica Simpson, Kristin Calivari). Welcome to America, we care about the flavor of the moment.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:45 pm

      Why does anyone?

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      The NFL does Hard Knock with various teams and if a player (any player) has a good juicy personal life going on they splash that all over too. I think its’ a right of passage for the NFL these days. Some variation of reality tv.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:57 pm

      Actually, I think it’s HBO or Showtime that does it.
      And do you know why Cromartie is a household name now? Because he has 9 illegitimate kids he has trouble remembering. Nothing to do with football.

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm

      HBO airs it but they had to get permission from the NFL and the teams of course. I think most of the players are popular because of their antics off the field. Lord knows it’s not Vick’s arm that made him a household name. Hell most people only know Michael Oher because of the Blindside not because he was actually a great football player (nor do they know he’s now playing in TN).

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:32 pm

      The fact that people are more worried about Michael Sam being in the NFL than, say Michael Vick is the bigger issue here.

    • Sarah

      May 15, 2014 at 3:33 pm

      Wish I could upvote this 800 times tbh

    • Guest

      May 15, 2014 at 4:57 pm

      So true, I can’t even tell you if Peyton is married or not.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 9:51 pm

      Yeah, it’s not like they EVER appear in public together or anything.

    • Guest

      May 16, 2014 at 9:09 am

      Is he married? I’ve never seen them show a wife, just his parents. But I don’t really follow him, so maybe that’s why?

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm

      Oh goody–the DISTRACTION argument. Michael Sam’s gayness will be a DISTRACTION from his footballyness!

      Sheesh. He was there getting drafted and living a lifelong dream. He wasn’t on the field; he wasn’t training, practicing, or playing. What exactly was his personal life “distracting” from? The podium?

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:33 pm

      When the season starts I bet we’ll hear about him for a whole game before people return to their favorite NFL passtime- giving shit to the Dallas Cowboys.

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 3:37 pm

      That’s MY favorite NFL passtime (Giants, right here, baby).

      But for Pete’s sake–the idiots talking about “distraction” don’t see the hypocrisy of claiming Michael Sam’s sexuality is a distraction when an entire movie came out about Michael Oher?

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 3:39 pm

      I never take time off from giving the Cowboys shit. I have a whole folder of memes devoted to the task!

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:44 pm

      True story- I have yet to meet an NFL fan who doesn’t like to rip on the Cowboys. That includes Cowboys fans.

    • Maria Guido

      May 15, 2014 at 4:34 pm

      Footballyness is my new favorite word.

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 6:21 pm

      It’s a good one 🙂

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:28 pm

      Have you seen how the Rams have been playing? They could use a distraction.

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:53 pm

      PLEASE go talk to Chad OchoCinco Johnson (or whatever he goes by now). He never kept anything out of the locker room. Seriously he was like a plague on the Bengals.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:58 pm

      So…are you agreeing with me?

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 4:04 pm

      I think that depends entirely on the Rams staff. There are teams that handle outside nonsense well. The Patriots for example and the Aaron Hernandez fiasco. They didn’t fall apart. They players weren’t talking they played ball and moved on. However, as I mentioned the Bengals suck at managing external stuff and it definitely impacts it. I don’t think the issue will come from Sam as clearly his college teammates knew he was gay. Which I guess is the shitty part about all of this. Because who Sam is dating shouldn’t be newsworthy (no one’s should that’s not about football) but because he’s gay it is.

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:54 pm

      That was not snark btw. I really want someone to shut that guy up. He’s STILL talking and he’s not playing!

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 3:55 pm

      Bullshit. Straight athletes are not expected to keep their mouths shut about their girlfriends, wives, families, etc. That has never been reality.

    • Rachel Sea

      May 15, 2014 at 6:37 pm

      You don’t understand one single thing about what it means to be gay if that’s what you think.

    • Guest

      May 15, 2014 at 6:41 pm

      Yeah, she’s not talking about him being gay that will be the distraction, just the media circus surrounding it.

    • Guest

      May 15, 2014 at 6:49 pm

      I’ll also add for clarification, media circus might be overstating it. I’ve never heard of the kid. Can he play football well? Good for him, I hope he does well.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 10:31 pm

      He doesn’t have a “cause,” he has a sweet job and a hot, supportive boyfriend.

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:52 pm

      It’s a big story because he is I think only the 2nd openly gay athlete in one of the big 4. The fact that he came out as gay before the draft and was still drafted is a big deal. The kiss? is not.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:53 pm

      Because Jackie Robinson, now go read a damned book and SFTU.

    • candyvines

      May 15, 2014 at 3:04 pm

      But why male models?

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:17 pm

      upvote because, one of my most favorite movie lines of all time.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      It’s a big story because people are still in the mindset that a gay teammate makes for a dangerous locker room.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm

      okay, i can see that point.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 3:52 pm

      Because people are still being murdered for being gay. Do you live under a rock?

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 3:57 pm

      This is a thread for reasonable people trying to have a discussion.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 3:58 pm

      Then try to be reasonable. You’re on the Internet. That means you have access to news sources all around the world. You don’t get to play ignorant or stupid and pretend you have no idea that gay people face discrimination.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 4:00 pm

      Ignorant and stupid? For stating an opinion and asking a question about the level of coverage a story is getting? get over yourself.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 4:28 pm

      Not necessarily both, just one or the other. That’s the only way to explain being unaware that gay people are discriminated against. Either you are ignorant to that fact or you’re too stupid to grasp it.

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 4:36 pm

      I’m not sure what conversation you’re having and with whom, but I never said that gay people didn’t face discrimination. I’m simply discussing why the story is getting the level of coverage that it is. I guess getting on the internet and blindly calling strangers names just makes you feel cool. I bet you’re super cool in real life, too.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 4:45 pm

      That discrimination is exactly why this story is getting the level of coverage it is and that fact has been explained to you multiple times on this thread. But you still want to act all, “duuuh, I don’t get it!”

      Yes, that makes you stupid. At this point, it’s really not name calling, it’s fact. You’re stupid. I’m not going to call you ignorant anymore because you’ve been given the information over and over again. You aren’t ignorant, you’re just willfully stupid.

      I’m too old to give a shit about being cool. You made yourself look bad. I had nothing to do with it. The only person agreeing with you is obviously a hardcore homophobe so enjoy that. Maybe the KKK will come out to support you next. LMAO

    • kate

      May 15, 2014 at 4:48 pm

      You really are above it.

    • Guest

      May 15, 2014 at 4:51 pm

      She’s a peach, isn’t she?

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 6:37 pm

      A total gem!
      I say that the coverage seems phony, and now I’m a hardcore homophobe.
      Par for this course. Welcome, Kate!

    • Guest

      May 15, 2014 at 6:39 pm

      How DARE you make comments about your opinions of something being staged when it involves 2 gay people? You’re OBVIOUSLY a homophobe, a member of the KKK. and maybe even Hitler. Don’t you realize your opinions are WRONG?

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 15, 2014 at 7:13 pm

      Let me reiterate my point above.

      1.) Does seeing Michael Sam kiss his boyfriend on TV make you mad/annoyed/squicked out?
      2.) Does seeing this on TV make you mad/annoyed/squicked out?
      http://images.politico.com/global/2012/05/120509_4_michele_bachmann_ap_328_605.jpg

      If (1) but not (2) –> homophobia.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 10:44 pm

      I’m confused now, could one of the two options NOT include a gay man kissing someone?

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 10:43 pm

      If you want people to think you’re really three different people, try letting some time pass in between your comments. Welcome, Sybil!

    • Guest

      May 16, 2014 at 9:02 am

      Yeah, she’s not writing the other comments. I’m one of those nasty trolls with an opinion different then yours, gasp! And for the record, I don’t have a problem with the story or coverage of his kiss at all. I just hate how everyone seems to be piling on this one woman for making a comment.

    • brebay

      May 16, 2014 at 4:50 pm

      Oh, okay, if you say so then I totally believe it.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 7:58 pm

      I know, comparing racism to homophobia is such a stretch.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm

      People get murdered for lots of reasons. Is a murderer a worse person because he targeted a gay person instead of a straight guy? Seems about equally as bad to me.

    • candyvines

      May 15, 2014 at 4:02 pm

      A murderer might face a longer sentence if it was a hate crime.

    • NYBondLady

      May 15, 2014 at 4:03 pm

      This is true. I don’t agree with it, though.

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 4:34 pm

      So discrimination is not an issue because lots of people get murdered for lots of different reasons. OK, you have fun with that.

      You’ll either change your mind some day or disgust your grandchildren with your views. Either way, that’s your problem not mine.

    • Guest

      May 15, 2014 at 4:53 pm

      Cause that’s what she’s saying. Murder is awful, period. Whether there is discrimination behind or not.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 9:56 pm

      But there’s a big difference between “I caught my wife with another man and I killed them out of rage” and “I have absolutely no problem with this man except that he is gay, and only because he is gay I will kill him”. While the first murder is horrible as well, it is not the same as killing someone for no reason other than he is gay, like it was for killing someone solely because they were black. A person’s very sense of being should not be offense enough to kill them.

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm

      …Why would a staged kiss leave a bad taste in your mouth? Seems like a naïve perspective to have, seeing as pretty much all kisses among high-profile people at high-profile events are “staged.”

      You know William and Kate’s kiss on the balcony at Buckingham Palace?Yeahhhh…Sorry, that was curated too.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 3:02 pm

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:00 pm

      I seriously doubt he’s the first draftee to kiss his significant other in celebration about being drafted into the NFL. He is the first openly gay draftee, so that’s why the cameras were there.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      The draft ended on Saturday. OWN announced it had purchased the rights on Wednesday. it’s not unusual for ESPN to be on the ground for players that are considered controversial or especially talented or what have you, even in later rounds.

      Your hypothesis that it was staged lacks evidence. Can you produce some?

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      ESPN was all over Johnny Manziel on the first day, and they weren’t the only ones.

      Controversy sells. You might get a few extra papers off the first pick, but you’ll get a ton splashing the biggest controversy you can. And the Manziel story only faded because Michael Sam was a bigger controversy.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 3:25 pm

      I completely agree. It will be nice to see the day when it truly isn’t a big deal, but that day is not today.

    • JenH1986

      May 16, 2014 at 9:05 am

      Can I just say I was so sick of hearing Manziel’s name by about 10 minutes after he was drafted? I would rather hear about unicorns pooping marshmallows all day than hear Johnny Manziel’s name. He is the next Tim Tebow with the annoying constant reminder he’s a football player.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 15, 2014 at 3:36 pm

      Even Breitpart says “raises suspicions”. There’s an unconfirmed TMZ report that a crew was present–but OWN hasn’t even said they’ve started filming yet. So again, it lacks evidence.

    • Armchair Observer

      May 16, 2014 at 1:10 am

      Isn’t Breitbart fairly well-known for posting/publicizing stories that are complete horse manure? The woman who supposedly extolled her racism against whites video, for example? Oh, whoops, totally edited to make her look bad. Yeah, Breitbart does not equal a reliable source.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 16, 2014 at 7:50 am

      Don’t you say that! Breitbart is as sacred as the bible to some folks.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:40 pm

      That article is full of speculation. I could speculate on anything, that doesn’t make it true. Give me five minutes and I can find enough websites that say the moon landing was faked that, by Breitbart’s standards, it must be true. That doesn’t make it so.
      For example I could say that I heard rumors that there might have been a camera crew hanging around Ashton and Mila’s place, and therefore there’s a good chance they’re going to document their child’s birth and their journey as new parents.
      In reality they’re paparazzi bait. As is Michael Sam. He was going to have cameras around him during the draft because if he got drafted he’d make history, and if he didn’t get drafted people would be calling the NFL completely homophobic.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 3:42 pm

      We’re all heads in a jar! It could be true, so I’m just throwing it out there.

    • JenH1986

      May 15, 2014 at 3:46 pm

      From my understanding the Oprah deal didn’t occur until after he was drafted. So the kiss would be a genuine moment between a couple for whom one’s dream just came true.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:29 pm

      Who cares? You think they don’t ask a guy to do a re-take of kissing his wife if the camera missed it?

    • Kel

      May 15, 2014 at 6:35 pm

      “The fact that this was staged, to prove a point, say, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.”

      Yeah, because Sarah Palin never trotted out her youngest son Trip to talk about abortion.

    • Benwhoski

      May 15, 2014 at 6:38 pm

      Likewise, we’re talking about ESPN. It’s entertainment. How often is entertainment NOT staged, at least to some degree?

  6. keelhaulrose

    May 15, 2014 at 2:27 pm

    Wouldn’t have shown it if it wasn’t a heterosexual couple, you say?
    I defy you to turn on the TV and flip through the channels and NOT find a heterosexual couple kissing (or more) within five minutes. And I bet that doesn’t constitute ‘shoving it in our faces’.
    You know what is being shoved in our faces? Hatred of gays for being themselves, and enough of it is driving gay children to suicide. Showing them people like Michael Sam, and how he expresses his love and joy in a completely normal way and how most people are cheering him for it makes those kids think it really might get better. I’m sorry Amy and all other idiots out there, but two seconds of your discomfort is totally worth keeping a kid alive.

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 2:30 pm

      Yeah, and she is so full of shit when she sys she would have been just as offended if it was a player kissing his wife. You’re a homophobe, just be honest about it!

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 2:33 pm

      I wonder if she gets in the same sort of huff when, for example, an actor kisses his wife after finding out he won an Oscar before going on stage. Somehow I doubt it.

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 15, 2014 at 2:47 pm

      Her argument is SO disingenuous. No, lady, I’m sure there has never been a football player kissing his girlfriend/wife/a random cheerleader on TV. Ever. ESPN is a well-known straight-bashing organization that exists only to further the gay agenda, and obviously thousands of people take to the airwaves to protest every time A.J. McCarron swaps spit with Katherine Webb on live television.

    • whiteroses

      May 15, 2014 at 11:07 pm

      I don’t know how my son’s going to turn out or who he’s going to love. He’s not even two.

      But if it turns out he is gay, I hope to God that he can be gay in a better world than this one. And if it turns out he isn’t, I hope to God that he grows up knowing that gay people deserve the same respect as anyone else- no exceptions.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 11:20 pm

      It was rough growing up bisexual. I wouldn’t wish the irrational hatred and scorn on anyone. I love my daughters with everything I have, and if they’re gay then I pray that they have a much easier time of it than my friends and I had and I will help them through it. But I won’t lie, it’ll be much easier for them if they’re straight.

    • whiteroses

      May 15, 2014 at 11:33 pm

      Yes. I will always love my son with everything I’ve got no matter what. But the idea that he could be gay or bisexual scares the hell out of me, to be honest. Not because I personally, or his father, or anyone who truly loves him would have a problem with it, but because so many other people would. I don’t want to think about him facing a shitload of hatred just because other people disapprove of his personal life. I don’t want to think about him being beaten up for loving someone. I don’t want to think about anyone looking at my beautiful, precious boy and seeing someone who doesn’t deserve to live just because he doesn’t want to kiss a woman.

      And the amount of hatred I’ve seen as a result of this? Well, it doesn’t give me a lot of hope for the future.

  7. rasheed. alhosam

    May 15, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    اكيد بس انا من موليداليمن والحياة صعبة جدا بذات بلمشكل كبيرة بليمن ودون جدوة وتامل خير بشعب الجمهورية اليمنية خير

    • personal

      May 15, 2014 at 3:14 pm

      If you can speak English, and I’m assuming you can since you read the article, it would be more interesting (and polite) to use it here so others can read and discuss with you.

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 3:18 pm

      Maybe using a translation program?

    • pixie

      May 15, 2014 at 3:20 pm

      Spambot, google translate it; it’s stuff about wanting an American woman fluent in arabic and god bless the people of Yemen

    • candyvines

      May 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      Hey, you’re not fluent, but looks like you can get the job done 🙂

    • candyvines

      May 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      ETA – just remembered you’re Canadian. NM

    • pixie

      May 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm

      lol, google translate is my bff 😉

      Edit: and yep, too bad I’m Canadian and not American.

  8. Rachel Sea

    May 15, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    Homophobes my ass. They aren’t afraid, they’re assholes. I can only look forward to a day when their descendants look back on their heterosexist bullshit and hang their heads in shame.

    If they can’t figure out what to tell their kids, it’s because they are in a loveless relationship, and lack imagination. Otherwise they’d just say that those two guys love each other just like mommy and daddy.

    • Tinyfaeri

      May 15, 2014 at 2:56 pm

      Sexist was already taken, and homocist sounds too much like a medical condition?

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:17 pm

      Definitely needs a better word. Fear and hate are sometimes but not always connected. This is just plain hate, overcompensation and good old nunyabiznis. I prefer bigot, because the outraged look when you say it is rather satisfying.

    • Stifler Plays Tennis

      May 15, 2014 at 4:34 pm

      Watch, during a pile up in a game (when bunch of football players are on top of each other fighting for a ball), someone’s gonna grab someone’s butt.

      Michael Sam will be the first accused

  9. rasheed. alhosam

    May 15, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    فلا فرق بين اعجم ولا ابيض ولا اسود طالما نحن نعيش بكفاك وحب الوطن والوطان بشكل كامل فنحنو بنرتقي الي الفضل فلفكر الابشري هو نفس الانسان افقير والغني وحب الناس كافة من جميع القطار اين ما تعيش فلا احت بيستغني عن الجار وحب الجار بلعمل وبلبيت وبشارع ىوبلفندق وبكل مكان فهو الابشري اي هو الانسان اتي وجد نفسة بلكوكب الارض واما العنف فهو من اساليب الاهروب بلمسؤلية التامة فيولد عنف باي مكان بلعالم يااصدقاء فنحنو بنعاني الففغر وتخلف والجهل هذا قبل ميطور الاكان البشري علا الارض اما نحنو اليوم فلنشكر الرب علا الخيرات وعنعمهو علا الانسان اي الكان الابشري واصبح العلم بلامم شئ لا كان الااوال لم يدركون هذا فهذا يدل علا عقل الكان الابشري علا وجة الارض يدل علا حكمت الانسان وحبهو الابشر وحب الاخير الناس كافة فاصبح الانسان منور بعقلانية وصحة الابدن والاجسم

  10. M.

    May 15, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    I will never understand the whole “but what do I say to my kid!?” argument…are these people giving detailed explanations about sex to their kids every time a hetero couple is seen kissing? or every time the kid’s own damn parents share a moment? I don’t understand why any explaining is even necessary, the whole concept blows my mind

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 3:07 pm

      Exactly. What do you say when your kid asks why their friend doesn’t look like his parents? He’s adopted. Why their friend doesn’t have a dad? Her parents don’t live together. Why their friend’s parents are different colors? Because they were born that way and they love each other. Why their friend has two moms or two dads? Because there are many different kids of families and they love each other. I got all these questions and a brief factual answer was all they required. The fact is gay people EXIST. You can’t “shelter” your child from this knowledge, nor should you want to.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm

      Two teen girls were kissing in the street in front of our building when my son was about three when we pulled up. “Mom, why are those two girls kissing?” “Because they love each other I would imagine.” “Oh. Can I have cereal?” Pretty traumatic. He’s still scarred…

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 4:23 pm

      That’s it. I’m calling CPS NOW.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:42 pm

      No! I swear he got the cereal!

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 3:10 pm

      My daughter saw two of my friends kissing, and asked what was up.
      I said “they’re kissing because they love each other like mommy and daddy love each other and sometimes kiss”.
      That was the end of it. It’s not hard unless you think gay people can’t love like you because it’s squicky or something.

    • G.E. Phillips

      May 15, 2014 at 3:16 pm

      I don’t think my son has ever actually seen a gay couple together, just due to geography (his gay aunt and 2 gay cousins all live far away) but I made sure to put it out there as early as possible. Because he calls all women “mommies” and all men “daddies,” I told him that sometimes mommies “marry” daddies, or sometimes mommies marry other mommies and daddies marry other daddies, and that’s just the way it is, love is love, etc.
      Now, he keeps trying to set me up with other mommies. Heh.

    • the_ether

      May 16, 2014 at 3:06 am

      Well, that’s adorable.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 3:17 pm

      Yeah I hate when people use their kids to justify their own prejudices. A few years ago I was into the Worst Cooks in America (don’t judge me!) and they had a gay woman as a contestant. So when the challenge came to cook for family, her wife was there. My nephew, who was probably 9 or 10 at the time, asked how a lady can have a wife. My sister (and kudos to her, because she is a conservative Christian) told him that sometimes men marry men and women marry women. My nephew was all “Oh, okay”. End of story.

    • SunnyD847

      May 15, 2014 at 4:17 pm

      Any other answer would be incorrect because it is a fact that this happens. It doesn’t mean people are trying to indoctrinate your kids. It’s a simple fact of life. I’m glad your sister didn’t confuse your nephew with a lot of unnecessary religion/politics/opinion in answer to his question.

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 4:25 pm

      Me too, because it wouldn’t surprise me if she had. I love her and my BIL, but my BIL made a comment when my nephew was born to the effect of “I wouldn’t love him the same if he was gay”. My other sister and I then vowed to do the best we could to keep their kids’ minds open.

    • Sara610

      May 15, 2014 at 6:02 pm

      What a weird thing to say about a newborn baby. Did he just come out of the blue with that comment, or was it in the context of some larger conversation? Either way, I don’t think it’s cool, but it’s even more effed up if it was just like, “Hey, look at your newborn that I’m meeting for the first time! He’s so cute…… hey, you want to know a fun fact? If he turned out to be gay I wouldn’t love him the same. Just FYI.”

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 6:27 pm

      Honestly, I can’t remember what the context was. I only remember the comment because it was so WTF?

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 7:52 pm

      And people wonder why so many gay teenagers commit suicide… Well gee, how is a kid supposed to take, “The first time I saw you as a newborn baby, I thought, boy I sure wouldn’t love this kid if he was gay.”

    • Rachel Sea

      May 15, 2014 at 6:27 pm

      When I was campaigning against Prop 8 I heard that a lot. At times it was all I could do not to say, “If you didn’t want to talk to your kids, then why did you have them?” A lot of things in life are complicated and confusing, but explaining that people love each other is not one of them.

    • K.

      May 15, 2014 at 6:50 pm

      Whenever someone says “What do I say to my KIDS?” regarding LGBT acceptance, they really mean, “How can I continue to justify my biases to myself?”

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 7:53 pm

      Yep, that’s exactly what they mean. “But how can I make my kids hate the homos as much as I do if other people stop discriminating against them!”

  11. rasheed. alhosam

    May 15, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    انا شاب اعيش بليمن واسمي هو رشيدمحمدمحسن الحسام زطاب يومكم بلخيرات والسعادة وقبلاتي اليكم كثير

  12. rasheed. alhosam

    May 15, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    ياصديقتي فففرجال انواع وكل شخص لهو طبيعتهو فلا بد مايكون الاختيار من القلب وحكمت العقل وبس فاانا اتمنا بان اتزوج من امريكية تجيد الغة العربية منيتي بحياتي كوني اعشق امريكاء زاحبها من كل قلبي زاحلام بفتا احلامي لكي اعيش مرتاح البال

    • Jen

      May 15, 2014 at 3:01 pm

      الجحيم نعم، جوجل ترجمة.

    • Stifler Plays Tennis

      May 15, 2014 at 4:16 pm

      ن امريك زاحلام بفتا احلاخص لهو طبيعت كوني اعالاختيار من

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:28 pm

      The swift brown fox

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:29 pm

      Nope, didn’t work…

    • Kelly

      May 15, 2014 at 9:00 pm

      I love that this comment is ranked above the bigoted comments. LOL

  13. Kay_Sue

    May 15, 2014 at 3:32 pm

    Kids are incredibly open and understanding.

    We have neighbors who are women and happen to be married to each other. Their oldest kid is my son’s best friend. Here’s an assortment of conversations we’ve had at various points on the topic:

    At Age 4:
    Him: Mom, why does M’s dad talk like a girl?
    Me: Because M has two moms. She is a girl.
    Him: Oh.
    Me: Yeah, sometimes a family is a mom and dad and other times it’s two moms, or two dads, or just a mom or a dad, and sometimes no mom or dad but a grandma or aunt or someone.
    Him: Cool.
    Total Time Involved: About three minutes.
    Total Emotional Damage to my Child: None.

    At Age 6:
    Him: Mom, did you know moms can marry other moms?
    Me: I sure did.
    Him: M’s moms are married to each other.
    Me: Yup, they are.
    Him: Okay. I’m going back out to play! Bye!
    Total Time Involved: About a minute and a half.
    Total Emotional Damage to my Child: None.

    At Age 7:
    Him: Mom, did you know M goes to a different school than me?
    Me: I did. (side note: M attends a private Christian school in our area, my son attends public schools)
    Him: M said when they go to his school, he has to pretend that one of his mom’s is his other mom’s friend. They aren’t allowed to be married. Why do they do that?
    Me: Well, honey, some people don’t believe that two women or two men should be allowed to be married. They believe it is wrong.
    Him: But M is happy. He loves his moms.
    Me: I know.
    Him: His moms love him like you and Dad love me.
    Me: I know, honey.
    Him: Why would they think that was wrong?
    Me: I don’t know, babe. I don’t get it either.
    Him: It doesn’t make sense.
    Total Time Involved: More than five minutes
    Total Emotional Damage to my Child: A lot more than the other conversations we had had.

    And I honestly wish I was making that last conversation up. The confusion on his face, and the sadness when he said, “It just doesn’t make sense”, really broke my heart. It honestly makes me tear up to remember it.

    • allisonjayne

      May 16, 2014 at 9:46 am

      THANK YOU. I am terrified of having to have the conversation with my kid about homophobia (she has two moms). She’s 3, and quite frankly I don’t know when to do it, because we live in a major urban city with lots of queer and queer-friendly friends and family members and it literally hasn’t been an issue so far, but I know at some point I will have to tell her that some people are assholes and think her moms shouldn’t be her moms (or that she, product of IVF, shouldn’t exist at all). And it’s probably going to be one of the hardest parenting moments for me.

    • Kay_Sue

      May 16, 2014 at 10:08 am

      Our approach has been to just answer questions age appropriately. Usually kids give you ample opportunity because they are just so damned perceptive (usually at the most inappropriate times).

      It really sucks to see your kid exposed to that for the first time, and in this scenario, it wasn’t like he met someone being ‘homophobic’. His friend just told him that at school, his moms’ aren’t allowed to say they are married. I tussled with how to explain that exactly, but I felt like just being honest was the best course. He will have to take his own stands on this issue some day, as our state seems to really resent any progress towards LGBTQ rights, and I felt like any wavering on the issue now, any trying to hedge my response, would be potentially confusing for him when he comes into contact with actual idiots later in life.

    • SunnyD847

      May 16, 2014 at 4:22 pm

      Sadly, a friend of mine was recently called a “dyke” on the street in BERKELEY of all places. So, people who think this is a non-issue are kidding themselves.

  14. Musik-Infodienst

    May 15, 2014 at 3:43 pm

    Homophobe lyrics but great rock music >>> http://www.joonw.com/music

  15. brebay

    May 15, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    Hate to break to old lady bitchface, but the only kind of speech that NEEDS protection is the kind that offends someone. Whoever brought a lawsuit because somebody did something that didn’t bother you?

  16. calichick

    May 15, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    So guys can suck the face off barely clad women they hired for the night and that is fine, but two guys in love share three chaste pecks (those were not long enough to be kisses IMHO) and people think the Earth will come off it’s axis. Pisses me off to no end. I think they are such a cute couple and I will admit I may “ship” them now.

    You should see the latest Dale Hansen video on Michael Sam. I may be in love with Dale Hansen now…it gives me hope that not all Texans are bigots.

  17. brebay

    May 15, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    The “STOP PUSHING IT IN MY FACE” argument is the best. Because they totally see it the same way men kiss their wives after they get drafted…

    • Mystik Spiral

      May 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm

      No, the best is when they say “STOP SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS”. Because gay… hehe.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 4:23 pm

      Hey, that works for public breastfeeding too! If she’s shoving it down your throat, you’re probably sitting waaaayyyy too close!

  18. Sara610

    May 15, 2014 at 4:29 pm

    Gay people exist. They kiss and hug each other because, you know, that’s what people do when they’re in love. If you’re ever going to leave the house or turn on the TV, you need to be able to see that without going apoplectic. If that’s really THAT difficult for you, then you’re just going to have to shut yourself up inside your house and never watch TV or go online. You do not get to expect other people, who are engaged in consensual relationships with their like-age peers (I always add that part because someone can be counted on to say, “OH SO NOW WE’RE GOING TO ALLOW PEOLE TO MARRY THEIR GOATS, ARE WE?!?!?!?!”) to alter their lives or hide an essential part of who they are because you find it uncomfortable or inconvenient.

    There was a day when you could live your entire life believing that gay people didn’t exist, because they couldn’t express their love in public or let anyone know they were gay without being ostracized, beaten, harassed or fired. But thank God, we are moving farther and farther away from those days and it doesn’t look like we’re going back any time soon.

  19. Julia Sonenshein

    May 15, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    I’m reminded of one of my favorite Louis CK quotes:

    http://i.imgur.com/eVBBh.jpg

    Long story short, you nailed it.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 7:35 pm

      Yeah, conservatives seem able to explain a useless, decade long war to their children, or the logic behind a “loving father” drowning his children in a 40-day rain and sentencing the ones who don’t listen to an eternity of burning and torture, but kissing…way above their pay grade.

    • keelhaulrose

      May 15, 2014 at 9:42 pm

      I’ll add this, a bit of a pet peeve that I reluctantly go along with.
      http://i.imgur.com/sX4R0.png

  20. Joye77

    May 15, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    I had a friend on facebook comment that about the kiss saying she didn’t want to explain it to her kid. I responded, just say, ” some boys like boys and some girls like girls, just like girls like boys and boys like girls.” That seems pretty basic to me to explain to a little kid. She was a little offended and I still don’t know why. I actually saw the kiss today and I said to my husband,” that is what the big deal is about? It was a stinkin’ peck” I don’t see what the fuss is about.

    • brebay

      May 15, 2014 at 7:37 pm

      I wish she could explain to me what weird-ass kid is sitting through seven rounds of the draft…bullshit.

    • Joye77

      May 15, 2014 at 7:51 pm

      That’s a good point, he was in the 200s.

  21. C.J.

    May 15, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    If someone has a problem with how to explain gay people to children that is their issue. All children are going to find out there are gay people in the world eventually. It is only a big deal if people make it a big deal. This is why there is still so much discrimination in the world.

  22. zxer91

    May 16, 2014 at 12:20 am

    I’ll tell you what’s amazing to me is you fucking liberals who have ZERO tolerance for anyone who isn’t wild about seeing men make out. You assholes are ushering in a new era of McCarthyism with this goddamned witch hunt that you’ve been engaging in lately.
    Unless you 100% approve of seeing men kissing each other you’re Adolf Hitler.

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 16, 2014 at 8:18 am

      What’s amazing to me is people like you who screech about the top of your lungs about MY FREEDOMS!!! and want the freedom of speech to be able to say that two guys kissing is somehow sick and gross, but don’t want the rest of us to be able to say that you’re homophobic because of it. Who’s the McCarthyite, here, exactly?

    • zxer91

      May 17, 2014 at 1:44 am

      Actually I doubt I would have bothered or cared to say anything. It’s not until libs start spouting that if you don’t approve, you’re a homophobe that I would even care.

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 17, 2014 at 9:11 am

      Why don’t we get to call people homophobic when they’re talking about how gross gay people are? Do conservatives get the freedom of speech to say that gay people can’t kiss on TV because it’ll confuse The Children, but we don’t get the freedom of speech to say that they’re being horrible people?

      Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from the consequences of getting called out on your bullshit, and it doesn’t only apply to speech you agree with.

    • zxer91

      May 18, 2014 at 12:41 am

      I’m not concerned about the children. I’m only giving my personal thoughts, and I am grossed out by watching two guys makeout. If that makes me a homophobe or a “horrible” person, so be it.

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 18, 2014 at 2:42 pm

      Then why did you come in here to flip out on us for calling you homophobic?!

    • zxer91

      May 19, 2014 at 9:45 am

      Because I think it’s absurd to call people names if they are uncomfortable watching gay men kiss, but I know you’re going to do it so go ahead. It won’t change how I feel though.

    • Aimee Ogden

      May 19, 2014 at 10:20 am

      “Homophobic” isn’t name-calling, it’s literally the word that means “grossed out by boy-kissing”. You came in here to call us McCarthyites and insist that we were on a “witch hunt” for saying that we think screaming about this being on ESPN is awful and homophobic – your position is in essence, “I want to be able to use my free speech to complain about men kissing, without anyone else using their free speech to criticize me!” If you can’t see how pathetic that is then I don’t know what to tell you.

    • zxer91

      June 2, 2014 at 9:24 pm

      Go ahead and criticize then, it won’t change the fact that I’m grossed out seeing two men cuddle up to each other.

  23. zxer91

    May 16, 2014 at 1:32 am

    “If You Think The Michael Sam Kiss Isn’t Okay For Kids To See – Congrats! You’re A Homophobe”

    What utter nonsense ! – Congrats ! You’re a moron !

    • SunnyD847

      May 16, 2014 at 8:41 am

      ho·mo·phobe noun -ˌfōb
      : a person who hates or is afraid of homosexuals or treats them badly

    • zxer91

      May 17, 2014 at 1:48 am

      Not me then. I’m not afraid, nor do I hate, or plan on treating anyone badly.
      I am grossed out though by seeing two guys smear cake on each others faces then kiss. If you don’t like my reaction, you’re a phobe.

  24. your_fellow_patriot

    May 16, 2014 at 1:33 am

    LEVITICUS 18:22 READ IT YOU SICK FREAKS

  25. your_fellow_patriot

    May 16, 2014 at 1:37 am

    ROMANS 1:27

    • VA Teacher

      May 16, 2014 at 9:26 am

      Leviticus 11:10

  26. your_fellow_patriot

    May 16, 2014 at 1:38 am

    LEVITICUS 20:13

    • VA Teacher

      May 16, 2014 at 9:25 am

      Leviticus 25:44-45

  27. your_fellow_patriot

    May 16, 2014 at 1:41 am

    JUDE 1:7

    • VA Teacher

      May 16, 2014 at 9:25 am

      Leviticus 19:27

  28. SunVegPup

    May 19, 2014 at 11:15 am

    I was a nanny a few years ago. While walking down the street with the, at the time, 4 1/2 year old girl, we overheard two adult male Jehovah’s Witnesses talking among themselves about how homosexuals will cause the “next great flood.” My little one overheard this and instead of ignoring it (or even grasping what they were saying!), she stopped, turned around and engaged them. She put her hand on her hip and told them loudly, “Hey. First of all, being gay is OK. It’s ok for a man to love a man and for a woman to love a woman. It’s not wrong. It’s OK!!! Number two, that big big flood story…? THAT’s a fairytale.”
    The men were shocked that such a tiny person stood up to them so eloquently. As for me, I was silently crying out of pride.
    I will never forget that moment. Kids are amazing.

  29. SunVegPup

    May 19, 2014 at 11:21 am

    Kid I used to nanny for asked what my BFF was wearing to her wedding.
    “A wedding dress.”
    “What is her girlfriend wearing?”
    “I think she’s wearing a suit or a jumpsuit.”
    “Oh gosh. They should both wear dresses! If I ever marry a girl, we’re both wearing wedding dresses.”

    Her biggest concern over a lesbian wedding was the attire and the fact that EVERYONE should be in big white dresses. Lol.

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