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Mayim Bialik Can’t Let It Go, Blames Frozen For Downfall Of Feminism

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anna-and-elsa-frozenMost people feel very strongly about the movie Frozen, one way or the other, especially if those people are part of the ten-and-under age group and are currently agitating for you to buy them an Elsa costume for Halloween. As it turns out Mayim Bialik is one of those people too, but her feelings toward the film are on the chilly side, and for some seriously off-the-wall reasons. Frozen isn’t feminist enough! Also, it bashes men! Slow down, Bialik, all this eye-rolling is making it hard to read your blog.

So why doesn’t Bialik like Frozen? This Disney princess film is apparently not feminist enough, because Anna‘s attempt to hook up with a prince is its “reigning plot line”. Um, what? Did Bialik and I watch the same movie? Because the one I watched seemed to revolve around familial love, sacrifice, and identity – with, yes, some romance-grubbing from Anna, but I think to consider that the main point of the movie, I would have had to turn it off twenty minute in. But Bialik doesn’t just think the Anna/Prince Hans business makes for a bad movie; it is also ruining society as we know it:

I’ve had just enough already with this finding a man business in most every kids’ movie. Disney classics were all about this and look where it’s gotten us! Naked billboards of singers and women still not paid equal pay for equal work and ridiculous standards of beauty and body image and campaigns such as “Why I Don’t Need Feminism” and tons of other things proving we still have a ways to go.

Look, I am sick of romance-centric Disney movies too (part of why I loved Brave so much). But the idea that we can lay our misogyny-drenched society at the feet of Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty is off the wall. Frozen isn’t a perfect feminist utopia of a film, but a movie that revolves around the relationship of two sisters and depends on their love to resolve the plot is a pretty big step in the right direction as far as I’m concerned.

As if to apologize for her uber-feminist first complaint, Bialik’s second issue with Frozen is that having Hans turn out to be a bad guy is … man-bashing. Yes, having a male villain is now apparently an unforgivable Hollywood offense, which means that something like half the movies out there must be difficult for Bialik and her family to watch.

I will grant her last point that the character models are lazy, terrible work by the design team. Anna and Elsa are sisters (and Rapunzel from Tangled must be their cousin, I suppose) but I also have a sister, and she and I do not look like someone bought two Bratz dolls and then re-painted the hair and eyes on one of them. And there are certainly other reasons not to jump on the Frozen bandwagon: a mostly-forgettable soundtrack; the complete inversion of the original Hans Christian Anderson story to remove the core plot of a young woman setting out on a quest to save her male friend’s life; the feeling that you will actually lose your mind if you hear your child start belting out “Let It Go” even one more goddamn time. But complaining that Frozen isn’t doing feminism right while also crying “but what about the poor men!” doesn’t make any sense, and if you hate this movie for not meeting your standards, I have some seriously bad news about a solid 95% of the other kids’ movies that came out last year.

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90 Comments

  1. Ursi

    September 19, 2014 at 9:10 am

    I haven’t seen Frozen but if she’s trying to sell me on the notion that Cinderella is the reason we have scantily clad women on billboards..? Sell crazy someplace else, lady.

  2. EX

    September 19, 2014 at 9:18 am

    Say what now? The fact that Anna rushes into “love” with Hans IS an important plot point but it is certainly not the lesson of the movie. At the risk of overanalyzing this, Anna was locked away in a castle for years and had “started talking to the pictures on the walls.” She was totally isolated and when they finally opened the doors she went looking for love in all the wrong places. She, like many of us, learned her lesson about that, and managed to do it without catching an STD! She came to realize that TRUE love (familial love and friendship) >>> puppy love. I don’t know that this movie necessarily set out to be “feminist” but I don’t think there’s anything anti-feminist about that. Most importantly, if my girls learn a lesson from this movie about the myth of Prince Charming, well, then I’m not going to be bashing it any time soon.

    • Youthier

      September 19, 2014 at 9:42 am

      What I was going to say but better. A 16 year old girl that goes a little boy crazy but then learns that not every cute guy is your true love? No real life applications there.

    • SunnyD847

      September 19, 2014 at 10:08 am

      When Anna and Hans first got together I was all eye-rolly and thinking “REALLY? She just MET the guy!” I was so happy when that Elsa’s reaction, also. In an old Disney movie, they’d have ended up together.

    • EX

      September 19, 2014 at 10:12 am

      That was basically exactly my experience. Also, I didn’t really appreciate it when I first saw it but on rewatching it I love when Kristoff tells Anna that he doesn’t trust her judgement because “who marries a man they just met?”

  3. JJ

    September 19, 2014 at 9:24 am

    But its not about finding a man because its her sisters love that brings her back from being frozen. It’s about sisters finding their relationship again. What. Lady its a movie for children from Disney. I’m all for feminism too and feminism discourse but damn its a movie for children with fun songs that are catchy. If you want issues go see Nicki and her Anaconda video about butts. Or go have an argument with Sheldon about it.

  4. LadyClodia the Modest Rat

    September 19, 2014 at 9:25 am

    Having Prince Hans be the villain was crushing for my 5yo son because his name is also Hans, and he was excited about that, but I have met no other children who were really upset by that plot development. (I don’t know many other children, though.)

    And I tried to read Mayim’s other reasons the other day, but I couldn’t get through them; my eyes kept rolling, and it was giving me a headache.

    http://i.imgur.com/76tEInR.gif

  5. C.J.

    September 19, 2014 at 9:34 am

    Yeah, because all children’s movies are supposed to be about feminism. Disney movies always have a good guy and a bad guy and the main character lives happily ever after. I rather liked this movie.

  6. radicalhw

    September 19, 2014 at 9:34 am

    I’m a semi-professional feminist with a VERY twitchy sexism trigger, and I cheered (CHEERED!) when sisterly love saved the day. This is not the anti-feminist film you’re looking for, Mayim.

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    • allisonjayne

      September 19, 2014 at 12:41 pm

      I’m glad I’m not the only one who describes myself that way! My daughter’s birth registration lists my occupation as “professional feminist”.

      (I work at a women’s rights org, in case anyone is wondering what the hell that actually means, I got the idea from one of my colleagues when I overheard her say that was her occupation to an immigration official at the airport. Love it).

    • radicalhw

      September 19, 2014 at 2:01 pm

      I feel like I have to qualify it as “semi-” because the amount of money I make feministing is ridiculously small. Perhaps I should LEAN IN and claim the full title?!

    • AugustW

      September 19, 2014 at 10:21 pm

      Maybe it was all the good c-section drugs, but I feel like I don’t remember them asking me my occupation at the time?

    • ohladyjayne

      September 22, 2014 at 10:30 am

      Ha. I think it was as part of the long-form registration? I can’t recall. My wife did all the paperwork because I was in a daze.

    • Pappy

      September 19, 2014 at 6:57 pm

      Isn’t the point of the Hans/Anna story that she was foolish and dangerously naive to think that falling in “love” would make her happy? That’s what I drew from it, anyway.
      Anna is a sheltered young woman who’s desperate to be seen as an adult. She’s bought into the romantic idea that there is a True Love waiting for her and getting married is a magic ticket to adulthood. So when she falls into infatuation with Hans, she assumes that what she feels is love and the logical next step is marriage. After all, that quickening heartbeat and tingly feeling must be proof he’s The One, right?

      But then the ultimate lesson is, infatuation is NOT love and can utterly blind you to someone’s true nature. And that the old proverb, “Marry in haste, repent at leisure” is one to live by. AND that while romantic partners may deceive you, family will stand with you to the end. So you shouldn’t throw away the connection of your lifetime for the “love” of the moment. I would say that’s a profoundly feminist perspective utterly in opposition to almost all of Disney’s previous filmography. Huzzah!

      I can’t help wondering if Mayim accidentally popped the wrong DVD in the player and ended up reviewing one of the Disney Classics by mistake. Either that or she only half-watched the film and totally missed the point before going on a rant.

    • whiteroses

      September 20, 2014 at 9:18 pm

      We live in a world where women can build multi-gazillion dollar industries with no discernible talent other than what they can offer men, where girls are still slut-shamed, where the first question people ask when they find out a girl is raped is to ask what she’s wearing, and where women can get beaten like two dollar mules and the only thing people will be concerned about is the upcoming NFL season.

      Somehow I don’t think that a Disney movie that talks about the power of women and their love for each other is the problem.

  7. wildrumpusmom

    September 19, 2014 at 9:36 am

    No no no, why would we ever want to teach children that just because he is a prince does not mean he is your hero. Nope terrible lesson. I bet she hated the Paper Bag Princess too.
    She has gotten really hateful and judgy. That is definitely a much better example to set for children.
    Maybe she just needs to get laid (or s vibrator) and she wont be do cranky.

    • SunnyD847

      September 19, 2014 at 10:12 am

      The Paper Bag Princess in THE BEST!
      Also, The Princess Knight

    • CrazyFor Kate

      September 19, 2014 at 2:00 pm

      Seriously, one of the major animation studios should adapt THAT one. Anyone who has ever read a Munsch book would see it.

  8. noodlestein's danger tits

    September 19, 2014 at 9:45 am

    I don’t really have an oar in this fight, and I wouldn’t have a problem with what Blossom was saying if it didn’t just seem so pointlessly contrarian. Her references in the post talking about, “Am I taking this all too seriously? Of course I am! That’s because I’m me,” seem back patty and self righteous. I feel like she looked around for something that would stir people up, wrote a shitty blog post about it and sent it out into the world to cause chaos. Her points were not well thought out, and frankly, not really true. When I read this post all I see is her saying, “Look at how different and special I am! Look at how I don’t go with the mainstream, I am awesome sauce!” I don’t have the time or inclination to tell her how awesome sauce she is, she’s already completely convinced of it, and doesn’t need any help from me.

    • TngldBlue

      September 19, 2014 at 10:24 am

      I got the too cool for school vibe from this one for sure.

  9. jen27

    September 19, 2014 at 9:46 am

    What? This rant doesn’t even make sense. Hans isn’t the bad guy because he’s male–he’s the bad guy because he misused people’s trust in him (Anna wasn’t the only one in that kingdom who fell for his schtick) AND because he was willing to kill people in order to gain what he wanted. Those aren’t male traits, they’re asshole traits. And Anna setting out to fall in love rang very true. She was sad and lonely and had no idea why the only person in her life she’d ever been really close with had rejected her. She didn’t fall in love with Hans because he was a prince or even because he was handsome (though that didn’t hurt). If you listen to her “love” song with him she talks about how he’s the first person to really make her feel listened to and like she wasn’t alone. Anna sees romantic love as an escape from the life she’s currently living. And both Elsa and Hans calls her out on how her version of love doesn’t match up with reality and how silly the typical Disney falling in love after one dance trope is.

    Yes, I’ve seen this movie way too many times.

  10. keelhaulrose

    September 19, 2014 at 9:46 am

    The poor men of Frozen. Kristoff comes running in to save the day to find Anna has managed to save her own ass (and her sister’s ass in the process). And then Hans is a villain who is easy to hate, unlike other male villains like Loki or the Joker, who have a bit of charm and swagger that endear them to audiences.

    Anna’s romance with Hans is sort of how you’d expect a woman to act after being locked in a castle with little human interaction for most of her life and being told she’ll be going back to house arrest as soon as the party is over. She’s desperate for someone to love her, and she’s ready to fall for the first charming, handsome man to cross her path. Unfortunately for her that guy happened to be a psychopath, but he advances the plot. Without Hans the party would have gone without a hitch, Elsa wouldn’t have run off to sing that freaking song, and Anna would be back to the most epic case of cabin fever this side of the Shining.

    • jen27

      September 19, 2014 at 9:48 am

      And now ALL I want to see is Anna chasing Elsa through their deserted castle with an axe while Elsa shrieks for her to “let it go”.

    • keelhaulrose

      September 19, 2014 at 9:49 am

      I may be convinced to stop being irritated at all things Frozen if they put that version out.

    • Kheldarson

      September 19, 2014 at 12:09 pm

      I’m totally writing this fanfic now….

    • Katherine Handcock

      September 19, 2014 at 10:38 am

      SO MUCH THIS! Anna is desperate for affection from anyone, and marriage seems like the only way that will happen. Part of what I love about the ending is that, while Anna and Kristoff are obviously pursuing a relationship, it DOESN’T end with a wedding – because Anna has figured out that, you know, love and relationships take time.

  11. courtneth the modest unicorn

    September 19, 2014 at 9:49 am

    Mostly forgettable soundtrack?? You crazy.

    • LP225

      September 19, 2014 at 9:50 am

      I *still* rock out to that CD, sometimes without kids in the car.

    • keelhaulrose

      September 19, 2014 at 9:51 am

      You start playing the instrumental version anywhere near a group of girls aged 3-12 and you’ll get an automatic sing along. And I’m not just talking about ‘Let It Go’.

    • LP225

      September 19, 2014 at 9:54 am

      Alllllll the boys in my family *and* my hubby are still totally obsessed with all things Frozen. I think this is a turning point for Disney movies.

    • LadyClodia the Modest Rat

      September 19, 2014 at 10:02 am

      At toddler gym class the other day they played the soundtrack and most of the 2-3yos know the words, and for some reason this year all of the kids in this class are boys. I guess a lot of them have older siblings. Most of the parents were complaining, though, since they have to listen to it all of the time.

    • Rowan

      September 19, 2014 at 11:30 am

      My stepdaughters (9 & 11) only speak a few words of English, but they managed a belting version of “Let It Go” the second my son started humming it.

    • KatDuck

      September 19, 2014 at 1:31 pm

      Girls? I’ve seen high-school boys quietly singing along…. But, yes, visit any disney store and you WILL get a full-on, broadway performance by some little girl between 3 and 6 when that song comes on.

    • Sara

      September 19, 2014 at 1:49 pm

      I’ve seen fully grown Marines (man and woman) cheerfully belting it while doing drills. It might have been the most adorable thing I ‘very ever seem 🙂

    • EX

      September 19, 2014 at 9:57 am

      I love the soundtrack. But then, I am a sucker for all things musical theatre. In fact I was the one who couldn’t stop signing “let it go” when we first got home from the movie. Then my daughter would implore me to sing* it more so I had to look up the lyrics which lead to the YouTube video and the rest is mind-numbing history.

      *caterwauling is more accurate.

  12. Anna

    September 19, 2014 at 9:52 am

    This from the woman who does not believe in vaccines and pushes other New Age crap while waving around her PhD? Yeah, I will take what she says with a grain of salt.

    • Surly Canuck

      September 19, 2014 at 11:05 am

      I had no idea she was anti-vaccine. However, at least she isn’t broadcasting her stance. The blog post I read was mostly about how she wasn’t going to advise anyone on vaccines so at least she isn’t spreading misinformation.

    • OptimusPrime*

      September 20, 2014 at 8:49 pm

      She did publish a book about her adoration of AP. I haven’t read it (won’t waste my money), but I kind of doubt her anti-vax leanings never came up in it or in the press surrounding it. She’s a quack.

  13. lpag

    September 19, 2014 at 10:07 am

    “Forgettable” soundtrack? What? Disney hasn’t put out a soundtrack this good since Mulan!

    • wildrumpusmom

      September 19, 2014 at 11:21 am

      Mulan’s is the best

    • KatDuck

      September 19, 2014 at 1:29 pm

      Much as I love Mulan, Tarzan just tops it for best soundtrack in my book. Except for the oh-so-90s trashing the camp song. But Frozen has Fixer Upper, so there’s that.

  14. WhoremonalCrazyLotusSlugalo

    September 19, 2014 at 10:09 am

    Geez! And here I thought it would have been the parenting issue that was her primary concern.

    I just love this…
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dach1nPbsY8

    • Katherine Handcock

      September 19, 2014 at 10:37 am

      I laugh at that every time I see it 🙂

    • WhoremonalCrazyLotusSlugalo

      September 19, 2014 at 10:41 am

      My favorite line, “oh wow, you guys are bad parents.”

    • rockmonster

      September 19, 2014 at 1:01 pm

      Wolverine’s solo is my favorite part.

  15. pixie Ninja Tits

    September 19, 2014 at 10:45 am

    I love Frozen probably a lot more than I should – it and Brave are actually two of my “go to” feel good movies along with Wreck it Ralph – so I feel like she’s reaching here. People (and you, too Aimee) have already pointed out the basics that it’s about sisterly love, Elsa questioned Anna’s judgement about wanting to marry a man she just met, Hans is a psychopath, etc. I’d like to also point out that this Disney movie promotes CONSENT (Kristof asks Anna if he can kiss her). And yeah, sure Elsa and Anna kind of resemble one another, and not all siblings do, but some do.
    I know the deviation from the Hans Christian Anderson story annoys a lot of people, but I, personally, like to look at them as two separate entities. And, I know I look at/listen to music a bit differently because of my background and training, but I love the soundtrack and way the music is used – especially the use of percussion in “Fixer Upper”.

  16. LaughingRat

    September 19, 2014 at 10:49 am

    Were Blossom and I watching the same movie? I thought the point of Anna’s guy-frenzy was so that she could grow past it to recognize the value of family love and the consequences of rushing into things without thinking them through? I thought she had that crazy need for romance because she felt abandoned and in need of validation? I mean, sure the film has plenty of issues in terms of story structure and characterization as well as character design and overall animation, but in terms of message it’s about as empowering for young girls as you can get at the moment.

  17. Alicia

    September 19, 2014 at 10:54 am

    I think Mayim made some very good points. Everything she said were all the parts to the movie that I didn’t like. But she missed all the parts I did.

    This whole thing where all female animated characters are starting to resemble female anime characters really irritates me as a mom of a part Asian girl. She has big eyes too, but not THAT big.

    The instant love in the movie was very eye-rolly and even my kids knew it wasn’t going to last.

    But the fact that big sister was looking out for little sister the WHOLE FREAKING TIME really resonated with my son. And the fact that the prince turned out to be the bad guy wasn’t really that surprising. People in general are assholes, regardless of gender.

    • pixie Ninja Tits

      September 19, 2014 at 1:57 pm

      Random fact, but early anime artists were actually very influenced by Disney’s style, especially the large eyes. Of course anime has begun to become hugely influential on Western animation now, but Disney characters, minus villains, have always had large eyes because it’s “cute”.

    • Blueathena623

      September 20, 2014 at 10:07 am

      Because biologically, infants and children have large eyes compared to their heads (eyes don’t grow much, if any, during your life, so babies have tiny heads and adult eyeballs) and we as a species innately like things associated with babies and find them cute and want to protect them. It’s really neat when you start getting into it, because compared to other animals, even other primates, human infants are so fricking helpless, are a huge time-suck, and a major liability (they cant hold on to you, they make loud noises that can attract predators). In response to that, we’ve been bred, for lack of a better term, to find all these certain aspects of infants and babies “cute” because otherwise we’d have nothing to do with them. Same reason why baby crying gets to most everyone.

    • pixie Ninja Tits

      September 20, 2014 at 10:38 am

      Oh yeah, definitely. I was mainly addressing the Japanese vs Western influence, but I know there’s a biological reason behind the big eyes and “cuteness” of Disney characters. 🙂

    • Rachelle

      September 19, 2014 at 5:12 pm

      Here’s an interesting perspective about the “design” of animated characters, specifically Disney female characters.

  18. Abby

    September 19, 2014 at 11:24 am

    There are definitely a LOT of things to criticize about Frozen (personally, I thought that outside of the Anna/Elsa relationship dynamic, a lot of the movie felt like a first draft that needed to be sent back for revisions but was instead rushed through production… and when you marry that with the Rapunzel clone designs and the eviscerating of “The Snow Queen” as a fairy tale, yeah, lots of legitimate beefs), but uh. These are probably not the hills you want to die on if you’re going to complain about Frozen. It’s not the Most Feminist Movie To Ever Feminist, but it’s a lot better than a lot of the other princess movies in that vein. And man, if she’s going to complain about movies being Not Feminist, I’d like to know what she thinks about the ending of Tangled.

    • Jen TheTit Whisperer

      September 19, 2014 at 11:59 am

      That was my thought. Is it “I am woman, hear me roar!” No. But it’s not a princess waiting in her castle to be saved either. And I didn’t see romantic love as being the plot to the movie at all. I saw “save my sister, save my sister, save my sister” everywhere. It’s one of the reasons I liked the movie.

  19. Foreskin Magpie

    September 19, 2014 at 11:27 am

    I have never seen Frozen, but I recently found out that Blossom’s dad owns my favorite bar and I’m very disappointed 🙁
    Am I still allowed to drink there???

    • OptimusPrime*

      September 20, 2014 at 10:59 pm

      Only if you do so while bottlefeeding, crib-sleeping, and not-swaddling your infant. 😉

  20. Rowan

    September 19, 2014 at 11:34 am

    I absolutely loved how in both Frozen and Maleficent, the love which saved the day WASN’T the stereotypical kiss from a guy the woman JUST MET.

  21. wispy

    September 19, 2014 at 11:45 am

    Her blog post was absolutely ridiculous. I don’t even care how Elsa and Anna were drawn, it’s an effing cartoon. Who CARES? The worst part was they just shut Elsa in her damn room for years on end. The soundtrack though? It rocks!

  22. Chuck Basstard

    September 19, 2014 at 11:54 am

    Okay getting out my soapbox for a mo’ but does anyone else get tired of the early Disney princess hate? Yes Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty and Snow White aren’t exactly the best representations of feminism but they were also made at a time when those were the roles that women were expected to fulfill. And while I definitely do not oppose talking with kids who love those films about why they’re not the ideal representation to aspire to, I also get tired of bashing things because they were made in the past and we’re applying our ‘more enlightened’ 21st century perspective to them (though this may also be coming from a deep-seated annoyance at a past film professor for constantly criticizing Disney princesses and Marilyn Monroe for only ever playing to very strict gender roles).

    • Kheldarson

      September 19, 2014 at 12:14 pm

      *raises hand*

      I will join you in the annoyance. One, the original tales were meant to convey lessons to adults in a very simple and direct way (why do you think good=beauty and evil=ugly? ) Two, Disney took the kiddified later versions and put them directly on screen. So why the hate? They didn’t start really adapting the stories until Ariel!

    • EX

      September 19, 2014 at 12:18 pm

      I agree that the Classic Disney movies have to be considered in their cultural context. I have a far bigger issue with The Little Mermaid – girl gives up EVERYTHING (including her identity as a mermaid) for a man she’s never even spoken to? Blech (although I did and still do love that soundtrack – damn you Disney!). And that was made in 1989 so there’s really no excuse. Heck we’d even had a female vice-presidential candidate from a major party by that time.

    • Anna

      September 19, 2014 at 12:56 pm

      She had been wanting to be a human for years, she had that cavern with all those goods long before she laid eyes on Eric. The catalyst was her father deciding that he knjew what was best and destroyed her collection and her dreams, so she ran away from home when the eels gave her what she thought was the answer to her hopes and dreams.

    • EX

      September 19, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      I was going to reply to you but then I read Ursi’s response below and you should read that because she said it way better than I could.

    • Ursi

      September 19, 2014 at 1:17 pm

      The Little Mermaid is my favorite Disney movie. That being said the implications are crazy dark for a kids film. Yeah they softened the ending but the stuff they left in speaks for itself.

      She’s not just giving everything up for one guy she barely knows, which I suppose could be construed as romantic in another age. She’s selling her soul for carnal knowledge. She makes a pact with the devil (Ursula) for the legs (and what comes with them) to consummate her love for a human man. Of course she’s tricked into a no-win situation which she doesn’t even have the means to save herself from. Her father sacrifices his life to protect her from the consequences and when that doesn’t work her lover-to-be drives a stake through the heart of the monster.

      Then her father decides that it’s okay for her to be a grown up woman along with all that entails so he gives her his blessing by granting her the necessary equipment. He gives her away into the safety of a marriage where her desires can be fulfilled “correctly” and in a socially acceptable way.

      Shit’s creepy. Awesome film though.

    • EX

      September 19, 2014 at 1:44 pm

      Well that about sums it up!

    • KatDuck

      September 19, 2014 at 1:25 pm

      And, for their times, Cindy and Snow were pretty plucky. Cinderella can get downright snarky while, at the same time, staying poised and confident. Snow White was thrown out of her castle and just barely escaped being assassinated and, instead of crumpling into a little ball of despair, she found a place she was needed and threw herself into that new life. Yes, she was a bit prince obsessed, but that didn’t keep her from making the best of wherever she found herself.

      I’ve even come around to Ariel. She loves the human world and Eric is a bit of a means to that end. Yes, she didn’t go about it in the best way, but she didn’t run away just to be with the guy – she ran away to be human. The guy just got mixed up in her teenage head with that all. Fortunately he seems like a decent enough guy (little naive, but decent) so you can be happy for them.

      I got no defense for Aurora, though. None. Sorry.

    • SunnyD847

      September 19, 2014 at 2:33 pm

      Well, she did have to hide out in the forest with no interaction with people her age, so of course she falls for the first guy she meets.

    • Tara

      September 19, 2014 at 3:56 pm

      Aurora, maybe not, but the movie as a whole is fantastic when it comes to gender roles. Prince Philip would have gotten no where without the three middle aged women that rescue him from Maleficent’s dungeon and then completely facilitate him even getting to Aurora at all. He doesn’t even kill the dragon on his own merit, one of the fairies put a spell on his sword as he threw it.

  23. Rachel Sea

    September 19, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    She’s a smart cookie, but she sounds like a fruitcake when she comments on anything outside of peer reviewed neuroscience. Frozen was one of the first Disney movies I ever saw where the non-magical bits of the story were backed up by historical events. Younger sons had to be power grubbing dickbags if they didn’t want to be dependents or paupers, and zillions of girls have found out the hard way that impulsive engagements are doom.

  24. CrazyFor Kate

    September 19, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    It was a completely ridiculous critique. Frozen has flaws, but come on, having a male villain? Does this make, oh I don’t know, almost every movie ever anti-man? And since when was Anna finding love the main plot at all? That’s ridiculous.

  25. FishQueen

    September 19, 2014 at 3:14 pm

    Um…as a feminist, I for one was relieved to see a movie where the heroes were both female and the villain was a gross manipulative man, because that dynamic happens. I want little girls to be aware of the possibility of that. How is that not feminist?

  26. Sarahstired

    September 19, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    Did I watch a different movie than her? I watched a movie where it was more important to show true love to your family than get the guy. I saw a movie where it was said multiple times that you don’t marry someone you just met. Maybe she saw another movie with the title frozen?? This is all I can think of. That or she just wanted to make a fake controversey.

  27. AE Vorro

    September 19, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    Anyone know if Frozen passes the Bechdel Test?

  28. Rachelle

    September 19, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    First let me set the table to my comment: I’m a proud feminist with a feminist husband who also happens to be a 3D animation artist, and we’re both very much into animated movies (although anyone who knows me knows that I’m not a fan of anything Disney-related beyond their strong creative roots).

    Beyond having seen it because we’re parents, my husband and I actually adore Frozen for many reasons, many of which Mayim listed in her post (which basically proved that she knows nothing of the creative process behind the making of this film).

    When the creative team decided to finally tackle Mr. Disney’s desire to create a film based on H.C.A’s story “The Ice Queen”, nobody knew exactly how to treat the storyline. They NEVER set out to make a feminist film, but they DID learn many lessons on why Brave was so appealing. Originally, Elsa was a villain. And she was NOT Anna’s sister. All that actually came about midway through the creative process when the songwriters tackled Elsa’s big song “Let It Go” – the songwriters thought the song would be canned, because it ended up having NOTHING to do with the storyline (that was yet to be finished). That one song alone completely changed the dynamic of the Elsa character and they turned her into a heroine.

    On top of it all, the main issue they had with the original story was precisely because, yet again, the strong female character was a villain – they didn’t want to recreate the “old Disney storyline” – it was boring and predictable. Thanks to the song, that all changed.

    Back to the ‘forgettable music”. Um, hello, ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT NOW IS BUILDING A SNOWMAN AND HOW SUMMER IS AMAZING BECAUSE. So let it go, Mayim.

    And lastly; those “lazy character models”? I hope none of the animators read this post cause holy shit did they work really hard on them; character design and rigging is a complex art form and they EXCELLED in this movie. You want to talk about lazy character modelling; anyone see Rio (the first one)? Thank you.

    Lastly (cause this is already tl;dr), as much as I’m not a fan of the Disney-machine, I think they Frozen team did a great job with how they depicted romance/puppy love/love in this movie. We’re human beings; little girls and little boys get butterflies in their stomach about the opposite sex early on. We’re hardwired as humans to love and to lust. 98% of movies are about love because it’s a universal topic. Yes, Brave was a rare movie that only broached the topic between Mom and Dad’s relationship. But I will never be as pompous as to blame Cinderella for being the guiding light to my view on romance. Please. Most of us aren’t the Duggars; we’ve been exposed to and will expose our children to many different depictions of romance and love in the movies.

    I’ll say it again. This feminist mom loves Frozen and I raise my hat to the team who brought it to us. They did a great job.

    • koolchicken

      September 20, 2014 at 3:48 am

      Heck yeah. I don’t do digital art, but I do draw and coming up with new characters is hard. Forget trying to render a 3D image of one. At least they aren’t all dead eyed (think The Polar Express). Just look at things like their hair and skin. Anyone else notice at the end of the film when Elsa is hugging her Ice statue sister, her hair actually looks heavy! They made hair look heavy- that’s freaking amazing! And they did it with Rapunzel too, her hair was shiny and you could see individual strands.

      And the forgettable music, and I second you on that. My husband is actually singing these songs and I don’t think he’s sat through a single viewing. My son is only kind of talking and yet I totally understand his garbled rendition of Let it Go. My nephew who’s in his 20’s and in college and “too cool” for kid crap has never seen the film and was also singing these songs to my kid. So Mayim can shut it, cause her thoughts on this are pretty forgettable.

      And I think people don’t like to think kids think about love at such a young age, but they do. They don’t understand those feelings, but it doesn’t mean they not feeling them. And the parents who do get it are watching these films as well.

      As for the whole feminism thing and finding a man? Anna totally punched Hans for doing what he did, she didn’t wait for Kristoff to do it for her. She also took the lead and kissed him- not that it automatically means they’re in a relationship. Just that she’s into him and is totally comfortable taking the lead in seeing where things go. The movie also ended with both her and her sister single. She also put her sister ahead of her own wants and needs. She could have gone and kissed Kristoff while Hans killed her sister. But she didn’t.

      So I’m 100% with you. They did a fantastic job in terms of animation and story telling. I’m a big fan of the source material and would still love to see a film that actually follows it. But as a stand alone film I think this is great and has a really positive message I’m happy for my son to see.

  29. Hannah

    September 19, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    Frozen isn’t a downfall of feminism. It shows that true love isn’t always romantic love and it can also mean love from your family or friends. You know what the downfall of feminism when Mayim slut-shamed Ariana Grande for her sexy billboard.

  30. scooby23

    September 19, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    Sounds like she needs to let it go and maybe go build a snowman or something.

    *a buddum tss*
    *crickets*

    What, nothing? Fine fine, I guess that’s enough corny jokes for today. *packs up folders containing three hours worth of Mickey Mouse puns and Cinderella jokes, walks off stage*

  31. Marisa Quinn-Haisu

    September 19, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    The thing about the Disney Princesses is you can like them while still being critical of them and their choices. I love Ariel but even as a little girl I thought she made a stupid choice becoming a human and marrying a man she barely knew. I thought mermaids were magical and way more interesting than being a stupid human. I actually liked the bit in Frozen when the sister goes “You can’t marry a man you barely know”

  32. Kathryn Mackenzie

    September 20, 2014 at 1:36 am

    I can’t take her seriously ever since I found out she’s an anti-vaxxer.

    • OptimusPrime*

      September 20, 2014 at 8:38 pm

      An anti-vaxxer with a frickin’ PhD! She is the one who needs calling out, not a kids’ movie.

    • AP

      September 21, 2014 at 12:40 am

      A science PhD.

      I could see someone being an anti-vaxxer if they had a PhD in like, I don’t know, Communist folk music or something equally arcane.

    • OptimusPrime*

      September 21, 2014 at 1:47 pm

      lol. Very true. Hers is in a biological science, I believe. She should know better.

  33. Cara

    September 20, 2014 at 2:32 am

    Hans being the bad guy is “man-bashing”? Let’s look at all the movies with a male villain: Rasputin in Anastasia (Ok, not a Disney movie, but still), Gaston in Beauty and the Beast, Jafar in Aladdin, Lord Farquaad in Shrek (and then Prince Charming)… Shall I continue?

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