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I Bred With A Juggalo

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could have beenBelieve it or not, I was not always the snark-tastic, awesome writer that I am today. No, my friends, I once dated a Juggalo. Actually, I created a brand new PERSON with a Juggalo. I shit you not.

What is a Juggalo, you might ask? A Juggalo is one of the dim-witted, wannabe gansta-rap “horror-core” rap-loving followers of everyone’s favorite lovers of stupidity, Insane Clown Posse (ICP).

My ex Tim and I met in the last 90s in New York City when I was living with my mother. This is what I refer to as the “Pre-ICP Years,” because Tim hadn’t yet discovered the wicked warriors or become “down with the clown.” We spent most of our early years as high school sweethearts and started a family not too long after we graduated. When I discovered I was pregnant, we decided to move closer to my dad in Ohio so I could take classes at the University of Cincinnati.

My dad, at the time, lived in a little piece of hell outside of Cincinnati called Hamilton. The locals, however, called it “Hamiltucky,” and the locals “Hamil-billies.” This is where Tim discovered the Insane Clown Posse.

It started small at first, and to be honest, I don’t believe Tim ever really took to Juggalo-ism, not the way his buddies (and unfortunately all their kids) did. I think to truly understand what it means to be a Juggalo, you need that perfect mix of drug use, second hand smoke exposure as a child and fetal alcohol syndrome, which Tim simply didn’t have. But in that motley crew of dirty clown lovers, Tim found a home, and he clung to it, even when they would tease him about his love of learning.

Seriously, they hate learning. This is ICP front man “Violent J” a.k.a Joseph Bruce fumbling to make an analogy about how much science sucks:

“Well,” Violent J says, “science is… we don’t really… that’s like…” He pauses. Then he waves his hands as if to say, “OK, an analogy”: “If you’re trying to fuck a girl, but her mom’s home, fuck her mom! You understand? You want to fuck the girl, but her mom’s home? Fuck the mom. See?”

Fuck the mom indeed. Sounds like the only person that fucked his mom was his uncle. The only thing ICP loves more than ragging on higher learning (if by “higher” you mean “beyond the third grade”) is wearing ridiculous clown makeup, donning hatchet man jewelry and inciting gang-related crime.

Witness Violent J in all his makeupy goodness:

Violent J Gathering of Clowns

(Photo: ninjatactics)

Below are some of the fascinating and ridiculous things I learned about Juggalo “culture.” The scariest part? This COULD HAVE BEEN ME.

1. Juggalettes are encouraged to have kids way too young

During my time with a Juggalo, I learned a few disturbing valuable things about this strange little Midwestern sub-culture. Like the fact that female Juggalos, or what they like to call “Jugglettes” or “Ninjettes,” and their baby daddies start having babies even earlier than I did. Now, I’m not trying to knock teenage parents here, but Juggalos take “teen parenting” to the next level. It shouldn’t even be called teen parenting. It should be called teen “making your parents raise your baby while you listen to terrible faux rap music and drink Faygo“ing.

juggalette with creepy baby(Photo:  Old Creeper)

2. Juggalos give their babies Faygo

Fucking Faygo. If you don’t know what Faygo is, first let me congratulate you. You’ve done well in life. Faygo is pretty much the cheapest, shittiest soda you can buy. It makes RC Cola look like Dom Perignon. Juggalos drink this swill like it’s going out of style. Which is funny, because Faygo was never in style. ICP literally douses their audience with it. I honestly suspect that the reason why these people grow up to be so dim is all the Faygo that their parents give them in lieu of formula.

baby drinking faygo

(Photo: Ugo.com)

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208 Comments

  1. CMJ

    August 16, 2013 at 11:19 am

    I am about as far from a Juggalo as you can get but you can pry Faygo Rock n’ Rye out of my cold dead hands. I am from Michigan but live far away and you can’t really get it anywhere….so, I love it. I don’t even drink pop but when I am home I will drink Rock n’ Rye like it’s going out of style. I even put bottles of Faygo in my out of town bags for my wedding. Incidentally, when I lived in Denver, we lived about two blocks from the Filmore and ICP used to play ALL THE TIME (they LOVED ICP)…we would just sit there and watch the Juggalos line up and get crazy. The weird thing is, I never thought they actually DRANK the Faygo (just sprayed it around) because we got so excited for some guy selling Faygo out of his truck that we didn’t even blink when he guffawed at the non-carbonated Oahu Punch my husband purchased.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 11:21 am

      I can totally attest to your Faygo addiction. Do you know when ICP plays a town that town will sell out of Faygo? I read that once. I find Juagglos so fascinating. I am not sure I have even heard any of their songs. But this is one of my fave Mommyish pieces EVER

    • CMJ

      August 16, 2013 at 11:23 am

      Yes! Because we honestly did once sit on a bench in Denver and watch Juggalos for an hour just lined up outside of the venue. It was like an anthropological study. Also, the liquor store close by (the best liquor store on the planet) ALWAYS had a sign up when ICP was playing that said you weren’t allowed in if you had your face painted.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 11:24 am

      AMAZING

    • Lee

      August 16, 2013 at 11:42 am

      There is a short documentary called American Juggalo. It is pretty interesting.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 11:44 am

      I have watched that one!

    • Lisa

      August 16, 2013 at 11:32 am

      That’s awesome!

      And you’re right, it is kind of like an anthropological study.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      August 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm

      Thank whatever powers that be for Argonaut! I live far enough away from that part of Colfax to miss the ICP insanity, but just knowing that my favorite liquor store put its foot down cements its place in my heart (and liver).

    • momjones

      August 16, 2013 at 11:54 am

      Which way did he go? Which way did he go? He went for Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaay-Goooooo!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_En_xn0JwmQ

    • Samsam

      August 16, 2013 at 3:48 pm

      Ditto on the Rock N Rye!!!! I probably haven’t had one in about 12 years since I moved from MI, but my mind remembers it as totally amazing. That and Olga’s Snackers. What I wouldn’t kill for those items right now!

    • CMJ

      August 16, 2013 at 4:53 pm

      Oh god, Snackers.

  2. Lisa

    August 16, 2013 at 11:30 am

    Oh my god…the Juggalos. The amount of things wrong with that culture is absolutely astounding (yes, I put on my judgement hat). One of my biggest problems with that culture (asides from hating higher education and everything else you wrote) is that they tend to take advantage of individuals with developmental disabilities, basically encouraging them to think of themselves as victims by the system. Without giving them productive methods of bettering themselves-nope, we’re just going to stick with the woe-is-me method and encourage them to rage against the system by becoming petty criminals in order to stick it to the man. (I used to work in the DD field, and a surprising amount of individuals with DD are ICP fans.)

    I also live in Columbus, and let me tell you, it’s pretty amazing. ICP coming to town is the only “music” group I know of that gets people who live near the one concert hall to decide to take a weekend trip elsewhere, spend the night at a friend’s place, etc. I’ve never seen people leave town because of a band until this one.

    • Anj Fabian

      August 16, 2013 at 7:18 pm

      Wow. That’s bad.

      I lived close enough that we could hear Pink Floyd when they played the horseshoe.

  3. Tea

    August 16, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I am suddenly super glad my teenage rebellion became aristocratic goth and not Juggalo, because that was a close near-miss, especially when I was trying to sneak my underage teenage self into events and I thought they looked awesome.

    Also, I know where Hamilton is, only because that’s where my way-too-old for me online boyfriend lived when I was 13. Thankfully I was too young and too blind to have a car, and was safely stuck in Dayton.

    • Paul White

      August 16, 2013 at 12:05 pm

      Redneck goth here, and yeah, holy crap. Glad I missed the Juggalo train.

    • Annona

      August 16, 2013 at 12:20 pm

      Redneck goth solidarity.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 12:27 pm

      16 Horsepower 4ever

    • keelhaulrose

      August 16, 2013 at 1:43 pm

      Not one myself, but I married one.

    • meteor_echo

      August 16, 2013 at 12:12 pm

      You had a fine taste when you were a teen (and still do!). Aristocratic goth/aristocratic lolita are such a stylish, fascinating subculture.

    • Tea

      August 16, 2013 at 12:13 pm

      I’ve migrated to steampunk these days, since I’m always elbows deep in paint, animal cages, or an engine, which is no place for lace cuffs.

    • keelhaulrose

      August 16, 2013 at 1:42 pm

      Geeky goth (hard to give up, still dress the part when I go out and I think I’ll stop dying my hair pink when I stop being a SAHM), and the Juggalos always annoyed me. I couldn’t stand that anyone chose to be so boneheaded.

    • Tea

      August 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm

      It looked cool when I was young, but now I feel like I dodged a bullet.

    • Jessie

      August 16, 2013 at 6:33 pm

      Fellow aristocratic goth here, and I feel you there. Juggalo culture is also fairly huge here in San Diego, and I JUUUUUST scraped past the Juggalo train. I know several other goths who did, also. Must be some insane rite of passage that the universe throws at us, haha!

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 1:35 am

      I went geeky/hippie, and I’m a Furry. So… yeah, there’s always something cat-related on me.

    • Tea

      August 17, 2013 at 11:50 am

      Spouse-guy and I are also Furries 😀

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 3:13 pm

      *pawbump*

    • aileen_t

      August 17, 2013 at 5:40 pm

      I did the gutter punk thing despite the fact I’m from an upper middle class suburban family. Being from the west coast and compleatly oblivious I didn’t even know juggalos were a thing until I moved to Ohio. Fun fact my auto correct wanted to turn juggalos into jug galls.

  4. blh

    August 16, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    HAHAHAHAHA, Oh God. This honestly made me laugh way to much. I’m from Cincinnati and I know people like this. Although none of them are quite this bad….When I first discovered this whole….scene…my first thoughts were quite literally “What the ACTUAL fuck”. Do you know what’s really fun? Being in a room full of Juggalos and saying ICP SUCKS!! lol.

  5. Guest

    August 16, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    I love this article. I’ve heard of Juggalos, but knew next to nothing about them. This was incredibly interesting (as long as you ignore the fact that it’s all REAL.)

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 12:37 pm

      bwahahahahha, “how did god even think up dirt?” hee hee

    • Katie L.

      August 16, 2013 at 2:11 pm

      I have watched the parodies so many times I forget which one is the real ICP sometimes.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 1:39 am

      I think, at this point, they’ve ascended (or descended) into self-parody.

    • Valeri Jones

      August 18, 2013 at 11:41 am

      Umm…. Is the Thrilla Killa Clowns or whatever just an SNL thing? Because I’ve heard of them way more than I have ICP.

      Sidenote: I have never watched an episode of SNL in my entire life. Ready for downvotes!

    • Katie L.

      August 18, 2013 at 4:05 pm

      They’re the SNL parody band. The Juggalo spoofs they do are pretty hilarious.

  6. Justme

    August 16, 2013 at 12:16 pm

    I’m really sorry…there are a lot of subcultures that I totally “get” even if it’s not really my style. But this one?! I just cannot wrap my brain around. From the way you describe it, there really are no redeeming qualities.

    • JLH1986

      August 16, 2013 at 12:53 pm

      Not really. And they suck at rapping too so I really don’t get it.

    • Courtney Lynn

      August 16, 2013 at 12:59 pm

      Yup. No talent whatsoever.

  7. JLH1986

    August 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    From N. Ky. This is why I stay on my side of the river as much as possible. Btw “little piece of hell outside of Cincinnati called Hamilton” perfectly named. It’s amazing what 40 miles south can do…

  8. Annona

    August 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    I just…wow. I had no idea, really. I had an employee once who was a “Juggalette”, and boy was she the opposite of smart, but I didn’t realize there were like special costumes and festivals and clown makeup worn to the mall. Add it to the list of why the rest of the world thinks we’re all assholes I guess.

    But I fucking love Faygo, and you can never take that away from me.

    • Frances Locke

      August 16, 2013 at 1:49 pm

      “boy was she the opposite of smart” This made me laugh out loud. And yeah, I don’t really hate Faygo. I mean, it’s super cheap, but sometimes it’s the only thing that hits the spot.

  9. Zach Rosenberg

    August 16, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    BEST FRIDAY ARTICLE EVER

  10. Litterboxjen

    August 16, 2013 at 12:20 pm

    That little girl drinking the pop honestly makes me want to cry. Especially after reading something like this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/08/15/pop-behaviour-problem-children.html

    I can’t understand people who feed their toddlers pop.

    • JLH1986

      August 16, 2013 at 12:47 pm

      For hard core Juggalos…pop is going to be the last thing they need to worry about around their kids.

    • Litterboxjen

      August 16, 2013 at 9:17 pm

      Oh, I agree on that point – it’s just still depressing.

    • Courtney Lynn

      August 16, 2013 at 12:58 pm

      Few things other parents do irritate me, but that is definitely one of them. On the rare occasion I do drink a soda, my son tries to reach for it like he’s getting some of it! Um…no! I tell him I MIGHT let him have a little once in a while when he hits kindergarten. MIGHT.

    • Blah

      August 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm

      Ever seen soda in a baby bottle? It makes you die a little inside

    • Jenn

      August 16, 2013 at 3:47 pm

      Yep. The juggos were big in south-southwest Michigan (near the border) for a hot minute in the 90’s. I dated one as a teenager. Saw mountain dew fed to an infant. Wasn’t really sure enough of myself to say something, which I now regret.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 1:36 am

      As a once-in-a-great-while thing, with non-caffeinated soda, fine.

      As an all-the-damn-time thing, with highly caffeinated soda, NO.

    • Valeri Jones

      August 18, 2013 at 11:32 am

      *shameface* My step sons (16 and 17) give my kid, who is 21 months old, pop all the time!!! They never do it right in front of me, so the only evidence I have of it is a crazy-hyped-up toddler. I’ve finally yelled at them enough that they get that it’s bad. But I still catch them holding the Mello Yello can for him sometimes and it makes me livid. I, on the otherhand, will let my kid have a half-full child’s-size cup of Sprite if we’re eating out and he’s finished all of his food and that’s it. So, I just brush his teeth religiously and give him water and pray. 🙁

    • wmdkitty

      August 19, 2013 at 9:52 pm

      Go Gibbs-slap your stepsons for me, yeah?

    • Valeri Jones

      August 19, 2013 at 10:04 pm

      Will do! 🙂 It’s not child abuse if it’s coming from someone else.

      That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it. 😉

      (JOKING, for all of you who are ready to call CPS.)

  11. Cee

    August 16, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Wuuut *blinkblinblink* Whaaaat?! Oh man I will going down the rabbit hole and doing loots of research on this tonight.

  12. Michele Fore

    August 16, 2013 at 12:40 pm

    This was sadly hilarious. I’m glad you were smart about it though. My step-daughter married a guy 11 years older when she was 19 and they were both heavily into this stuff. I didn’t know much about it though but it does explain some things. I don’t think they are into it now but they do have a child they aren’t raising themselves and they are both losers who can barely take care of themselves. They do ghost hunting..yep.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 12:49 pm

      OMG. for real? Ghost hunting? that’s amazing.

    • Michele Fore

      August 16, 2013 at 1:07 pm

      Was that sarcasm? LOL, hard to tell. It’s not amazing though. They both decided they wanted to go to college, recieved free grants, wasted the money on ghost hunting equipment and iphones and then quit. They don’t help out with their child and rarely even visit her. Stupidest people I know.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 1:08 pm

      Nooo, I think it’s crazy bizarre and fascinating. I personally don’t believe in ghosts but I think that story of what they did is fascinating

  13. Kara

    August 16, 2013 at 12:53 pm

    I started listening to icp when I was 12. Back then they didn’t have juggaletts and all of that. I never painted my face like them or ever wanted to, I just loved the music. I still have that one cd, and I’ve never bought another one. I still love their music but I won’t let my children listen to it until they are at least 14.

  14. Rachel Sea

    August 16, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    I can’t stand Juggalos. Anti-intellectualism, misogyny, and excessive brand loyalty all make me twitch.

  15. Courtney Lynn

    August 16, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    LOL…when I was 16, I dated a boy who was a HUGE ICP fanatic! Not as crazed as some of their fans, but I got familiar with just about every song of theirs. Not the kind of “culture” for me! Give me some Nirvana or Soundgarden, please!

    • Justme

      August 16, 2013 at 1:09 pm

      Mmm….Soundgarden. I saw Audioslave (along with Incubus and Jane’s Addiction) a few years ago at Lollapalooza. I heart Chris Cornell.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 1:10 pm

      did you ever see the pictures that ran in Vogue a few years ago of him and his wife (is she still his wife?) and there amazing Parisian apartment?

    • Courtney Lynn

      August 16, 2013 at 1:13 pm

      Yes! I loved his work with Audioslave! Beautiful voice, beautiful man!

    • Justme

      August 16, 2013 at 8:10 pm

      He took his shirt off mid concert and all the women (and probably some men) in the crowd collectively orgasmed. And of course it was August in north Texas so he was slippery with sweat. Sigh.

    • Courtney Lynn

      August 17, 2013 at 8:32 pm

      Nice!

  16. Jessie

    August 16, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Interesting. I’m from Ohio and have never heard of this ICP. When did this whole crazy thing get started? Oh, the hours I’m going to waste on the internet today googling this shit!

  17. Mae Blackwood

    August 16, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    I want to start off as I don’t mean any of this in some sort of hostility. I just want to post from the older Juggalettes / Juggalos out there. So, please, don’t take this as some angry comment. I’m not at all trying to start any sort of issues here. Although, from what I’ve seen from my short time here this doesn’t seem to be too hostile of an environment in the comments section.

    Okay. Here I go.

    My fiance and I are both Juggalos. With Juggalos friends and a baby on the way in our household. None of the things you see here happens at our place or any of our other Juggalo friends households. I don’t party, nor does my fiance. We’re pretty homebound most of the time. I go to all of my prenatal appointments. I take care of myself. I don’t do any drugs, drink, smoke, etc. My fiance works a good job and is probably the most docile human being I’ve ever met in my life. Also, he has never cheated on me. We’re together too often to cheat on one another even if we wanted to. Even more so now that I’m pregnant.

    Faygo is a big deal in the Juggalo community because it stems from a lower income (or lower class depending on how you perceive things) group of people. Faygo is a cheap version of name brand sodas. I grew up on Faygo before I became a Juggalette and after because it was cheaper than going out and buying Coca Cola or something of that sort. It does seem to be an acquired taste, though. I know a lot of people who hate it. We love it. It’s definitely not for everyone.

    What most people see here in these pictures are what a lot of us call the “newer generation of Juggalos”. Essentially, the young ones came and decided to make everything as terrible as possible. Because of this, a lot of Juggalos never hop out of the clown car and a lot of older Juggalos have denounced it all. Being “down with the clown” originally was being a member of a family. You had people you could rely on, have fun with, etc. It wasn’t about being a horrible person. No. I’ve never done any of the things I’ve seen with the newer generation and the Juggalo friends I’ve had over the years are always as appalled as I am when we see things like this. It used to never be like this, aside from the few tossed about every so often — as with any group you’ll end up with some bad eggs. We used to not treat the whole ordeal as a gang, but as a family and nothing more.

    As for the way members of ICP and other Psychopathic Records members act. . . Most of it is an act. They’re playing characters. They’re not actually like this. It’s meant to be comical (much like clowns). Things like this aren’t uncommon with a lot of groups of musicians. It’s simply the persona of the character they’re playing. They act like absolute trash. When it actually comes down to these people, they’re usually not that bad. That’s why most people just laugh at it and move on. The people who take it seriously in the family are the ones to watch out for. They’re more than likely the weak links.

    My fiance and I are both adults. I’m twenty-three and he’s thirty. We don’t plan on taking our kids to any gatherings. When friends who aren’t in the culture ask if we will be letting our kids listen to this or watching the movies, we laugh and tell them not until they’re older. This is the first child for both of us. I didn’t have any young, nor did I have any want to start popping them out extremely young. I’m a housewife and our house is clean and taken care of. My fiance is working a good job and I’ve only seen him drink probably three or four times since we’ve been together. Most of the time he doesn’t even finish a beer. I don’t drink anymore and haven’t in years (aside from a glass of wine once and again before I got pregnant). We’re not drug addicts. We don’t party, unless you count a totally wild night of eating too much candy at a movie. My fiance doesn’t ever down me for being a woman. Ever. I’ve never once caught him bashing a female. He has nothing but respect for everyone he comes across, as do I.

    I am all for womens rights, as a woman myself. I wouldn’t ever say you can’t be a strong Juggalette. All my juggalette friends are feminists. I’ve never been treated badly in the group. I was always treated as an equal amongst my juggalo peers. I’ve never had Faygo sprayed on my “tits”. Nor will I ever. I don’t consider myself trashy, at all. Nor any of my Juggalo friends. We’re all educated.

    It sort of bums me out that this is what the appearance of a juggalo has become. It is depressing, but for us older Juggalos we’re not like this. And I’m sure some of the younger group isn’t, either. But, you’ll always run across some of the worst in any group.

    I think I originally had more to add to this, but now I can’t really think of anything else. It may be my lack of sleep (or the fact that no matter how much I sleep since I’ve gotten pregnant I just want to sleep all the time anyways). I just wanted to toss some things out there so people wouldn’t get the wrong idea about all Juggalos and run the opposite direction as soon as they hear the term ‘Juggalo’ come out of someones mouth.

    Oh, and I’m pretty sure that the last picture on page two he has a Dr. Faygo at his feet. It looks like it to me, anyways.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 16, 2013 at 1:22 pm

      Also, we don’t plan on taking our kids to any gatherings, feeding them Faygo from a bottle or painting our kids face. The most they’ll be decked is in some sort of Hatchetman Onsies or something.

      Haha.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 1:19 am

      I’m not a fan, but I’m imagining a chibified Hatchetman, all cutesy, on the front of that onesie, and it is hilarious.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 17, 2013 at 1:20 am

      Haha. I’ve seen babies in little Hatchetman gear and it is sort of funny to see. If not sort of adorable at the same time.

      It may just be the whole “all baby onesies are adorable” thing, though.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 1:22 am

      I see it in the same vein as dressing your kid in a Starfleet onesie. It’s cute, and the baby can get away with looking ridic., so why not?

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 17, 2013 at 1:52 am

      I want to dress my baby up in cute nerdy stuff so bad. I promised my fiance that no matter the sex we can get the little Captain America onesie we saw since CA is his favorite.

      I need to get my nerd going and get stuff like this. Might as well enjoy it now. Hopefully they won’t grow up and hate that we did this to them.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 1:28 pm

      YOU NEED TO DELETE ALL OF THIS AND DO A COUNTERPOST FOR KOA!!!! Yay! hahhaha. I basically want a million posts and counterposts of parents and juggalo parents on mommyish, it’s MY dream

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 16, 2013 at 1:32 pm

      Haha. I’d like to see more like this, but there would end up being one with “u dun kno me n mi own D:<"

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 1:33 pm

      hahahaha, we have a very good editor <3

    • meteor_echo

      August 16, 2013 at 1:51 pm

      You, I like you 🙂 It’s always nice to hear from someone who knows their subculture from inside and has it all together.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 16, 2013 at 2:08 pm

      Thank you.

      I just thought I’d toss out something from the other side of the fence.

    • ClothesAndStuff

      August 16, 2013 at 3:25 pm

      I fully support what Mae is saying. I’m one of the former Juggalettes who grew out of it and got sick of the trashy people that I was hanging out with and denounced anything related to ICP. I still nostalgically listen to Ringmaster (it was always my favourite) but I don’t subscribe to any of the philosophies of it (I eventually got sick of hearing “SHOW YOUR TITS!” at shows). I’ll disagree and say that there’s always been a lot of blatant misogyny in the music BUT at the same time Mae is definitely right that these guys are just doing an act.

      Also, I always did enjoy Faygo but I’m not a big soda drinker. 🙂 The area where I grew up had a lot of trashy-ass people that weren’t Juggalos and some were; I’ll also agree that the elder ilk were definitely much more about family and occasionally smoking some weed but eschewed drugs and excessive drinking. I had an online friend who said kept the philosophy of: “Party with your Juggalo family, but pay your bills on time.”

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 4:03 pm

      I love all the comments from you ICP fans this is all so interesting!

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    • Ruth

      August 16, 2013 at 5:41 pm

      This was a really great, articulate reply. And I’m glad you touched on the association between Faygo and lower income households. This whole article was incredibly classist.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 16, 2013 at 9:41 pm

      Thank you.

      I only mentioned the Faygo thing because a lot of people don’t seem to understand it. As a lot of the group stem from lower income living we all understand “Welp, can’t get Mountain Dew — here, have this Moon Mist instead!” But, I’ve gotten a lot of “Why do they seem to worship this cheap ass drink?” It’s pretty much what most of us grew up on anyways.

    • Katia

      August 17, 2013 at 6:18 pm

      You could try water too. Buy a lemon, wash it, make ice cubes ( http://www.food.com/recipe/ice-cubes-420398)
      Cut a (thin if you’re on a budget) slice of the lemon and put it in a clean glass with an ice cube and add tap water. Bingo! You no longer have to buy horrid plastic bottles of cheap sugar water, and as a bonus you will be a better example for your child.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 18, 2013 at 5:20 am

      Rofl. I should take this seriously but I can’t.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 21, 2013 at 7:35 am

      Rofl, what makes it great is that is the exact face I made when I read that comment before bursting into laughter.

    • Whatwhatque

      August 20, 2013 at 11:54 am

      You are clearly missing the point- certainly, yes, people could drink lemon water but that does not at all taste like soda, which, surprise, lots of people enjoy. Do lots of people enjoy it to excess, sure, but to act like people who can’t afford brand name soda are going to suddenly drink only water is just obnoxious. And there are tons of nutritionally ignorant parents feeding their children way too much soda of all brands, so to say this is a Juggalo only thing is also just classist and absurd. I’m not into ICP (although I have seen Big Money Hustlas AND Rustlas for some reason) I’ve always thought the Faygo aspect was at least interesting, glamorizing something “low class” which is kind of empowering. Sure, glamorizing ignorance is no bueno but Shaggy 2 Dope himself didn’t violently wretch college educations out of these people’s hands, we have dying cities, crumbling schools, and sky high academic costs to thank for that.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 21, 2013 at 7:43 am

      What made me laugh about the comment is that most of us in my house aren’t hardcore soda drinkers. Faygo is something we get once in a blue moon, now-a-days. Even more so since I got pregnant. I really do prefer juice and water over most of the things I drink and tend to go for those first. I think the biggest soda drinker in my house is my brother and he only drinks Dr. Pepper.

      Big Money Hustlas and Big Money Rustlas is hilarious, that’s why. Even if I wasn’t into their music I would love how ridiculous those movies are.

      I see the glamorizing of ignorance in a lot of music and while I do not agree with that at all, as I find it sad. Even though I didn’t go to college or even get to finish high school myself (for reasons not connecting to being a Juggalo at all) I still try to learn something constantly. I’m always reading up on things I didn’t know. Though, I didn’t come from a family that supported ignorance at all. Even though our school systems were terrible, my parents were to quick to tell us “If you’re not learning it there, learn it at home. You have books, the internet and anything else we can get for you.”

      I do very much agree with the “we have dying cities, crumbling schools, and sky high academic costs to thank for that” comment, though. Fully. It really is a shame that education is not something people seem to think is more important than a lot of issues of the now. It really does break my heart as I want my daughter to have the best education she can get and I worry so much that we won’t be able to get her that one day.

    • Tusconian

      August 16, 2013 at 8:50 pm

      First off, this isn’t meant as an attack or to de-legitimize what you’re saying. It’s a big enough subculture that obviously, there’s going to be diversity in lifestyle and attitude.

      But I’m 23 as well and I’ve been aware of this Juggalo thing for well over a decade. And it’s not a new Juggalo thing. I remember friends from middle school (mercifully briefly) getting into it, and they were chased away because even then, the whole “drugged out barely literate guy in his 20s or 30s who wants to impregnate any Juggalette who’s hit puberty” thing was going strong. The band has been around since before we were born, and the subculture has had these same negative stereotypes attached to them since at least the mid 90s. People in their teens and 20s when ICP gained a following would be in their late 30s or 40s now, and while most of them have grown up (regardless of whether they still consider themselves Juggalos), plenty still participate in this kind of bullshittery. It’s not some new thing that the “new” teenagers getting into it invented because those darn kids. The culture hasn’t changed, you and yours are just better than those who throw themselves in front of cameras and scream the loudest.

      And while anyone with an internet connection knows the artists aren’t actually completely brain dead nutcases, the subculture doesn’t really push that. The ICP guys may be saying what they’re saying to prove a point or to shock the sweater-setted suburban mothers, like some sort of cut rate pack of Marilyn Mansons, and that’s fine, but the subculture really doesn’t encourage understanding the difference (note this is a problem I have with a lot of so-called alternative subcultures that pride themselves on being rebellious, intelligent, or accepting). The things I’ve heard out of the mouths of random Juggalos in the streets that they seem to be saying as casual conversation or even bragging are DIS. GUST. ING. And kind of illegal maybe. More than once when living in a different city (which had a weirdly high number of Juggalos) I heard people, most of them old enough to know better, bragging about killing an animal, not to mention the (probably impotent) threats of blwoing up other humans or buildings. A lot of these people encourage openly glorifying violence and see it as cool or edgy in the way no one else really does after about age 15, if at all.

      And like Frances Locke said, it really isn’t as accepting of a subculture as it claims. Granted, I would say this is true about ALL allegedly alternative subcultures that claim “acceptance” as a cornerstone of their culture (save maybe ravers). But the whole “we accept you, but only if you listen to our music, dress like us, proclaim loyalty to us, and fit our preconceived notion of what someone who shares our values looks and acts like” is pretty strong with Juggalos.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 16, 2013 at 9:39 pm

      First off, “like some sort of cut rate pack of Marilyn Mansons” made me laugh. I love the way it was worded.

      But, yeah. I think it does depend on a lot on where you are. I’ve not seen it in my groups, but I know stuff like that does happen. But, I still feel you’ll get that with any group. I’m also a huge metal fan and I know a lot of metalheads who spend their time talking about how funny some recent murder case is. But, not all of them are like that, obviously.

      It really does seem to stem a lot from where you are and how deeply you take the lyrics. My favorite ICP song has been “Dead Body Man” since it came out. I know all the words and it just all around makes me laugh. But, I don’t take the lyrics seriously. I have seen people take it overly serious and go “maybe I should eat a dead body!” Completely looking over the message near the end that says “If you think I’m sick take a look at yourself, you got dead deer heads up on your shelf. On your key chain is a little baby rabbits hand.” Even if I have nothing personally against hunting or deer head trophies (this may stem a lot from growing up in a small, Southern town where everyone hunts and you wait for people to start bringing the deer jerky to school), it does have more of a message in there. But, I’m sure people take the “A dead body bitch learns to keep her mouth shut” to heart more than anything else.

      What I was trying to state is where it originally started as, like a lot of groups with good meaning and has taken off in a whole new direction. I always see it as no matter what group you’re in, you’re going to find extremes. People who take it way too seriously and overlook the initial message and turn it into something more aggressive than it should be.

      As for this: ‘But the whole “we accept you, but only if you listen to our music, dress
      like us, proclaim loyalty to us, and fit our preconceived notion of
      what someone who shares our values looks and acts like” is pretty strong
      with Juggalos.’ you find that in a lot of musical group based subculture and it’s hard to avoid in nearly anything you come across. I think when you spend your time basing your style after the musical stylings of someone it seems harder to move from that group. Metalheads tend to only hang out with other metalheads. People who enjoy screamo tend to fall amongst groups who enjoy that music. Etc., etc

      Even if I do tend to hang around many groups, I see a lot of people only tending to hang around with their groups of youth — still enjoying the culture and music. I knew a guy who hated me for the longest time because I was a Juggalette. He thought the music was terrible (which to some it is) and he hated the culture. Once he found out that Amon
      Amarth was one of my favorite bands, he automatically changed his perception and took me as a metalhead. We’ve been friends for years now. Music changed his perception of me.

      In reality, and I know this sounds ridiculous and a bit hypocritical as I write out that I’m a Juggalette, but music really is taken as more than just “I like this band” to “This is now who I am”. Instead of just enjoying music, it’s turned into groups vs. groups.

      I’m relating back my own experiences, only. I know everyone else has experienced something totally different from the subculture and when I posted my original comments I hoped to see more comments on others people experiences with it. Either from other Juggalos or from people outside of the group. I’ve never been hit on by a 30 something Juagglo (not until I was of age). But, I know stuff like that does happen. I’m not at all closed to the idea that a lot of people just all around suck. I think when people act like the things you listed it tends to focus more on the person than it does the standard originally set. No matter the group.

      I’ve experienced nothing but the openness of it all. As have most of the people I associate myself. I’ve come from a small town and I had my group and when I moved to another state into a large city, I met a whole new group and my experience with them wasn’t much different. I’ve lived in lower income areas all my life and met people from all sorts of groups and I’ve met people who seem to be the absolute worst in all of them.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 1:29 am

      We have what I refer to as an “infestation of Juggalos” in my town. Some of ’em are just good kids in rotten situations, and some of ’em are people you… really want to avoid.

      My only real issue with ICP (and followers) is the glorification of violence. I’m aware that there are situations where it literally is kill-or-be-killed, and people are gonna do what they gotta do to stay alive, but violence and hate only breeds more violence and hate, and I don’t wanna contribute to that.

      Okay. And the clown thing. I am terrified of clowns.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 17, 2013 at 1:58 am

      It’s hard to escape the glorification of violence in a lot of music today. It is a shame and definitely one of the reasons we don’t plan on raising our kid on that sort of music. I’ll be busting out old country, rock and pop CDs — which is what I grew up on anyways.

      I always get bummed when I see any group being sort of shot down for the worst of the group. I won’t ever deny that some Juggalos are the worst. Like, people I wouldn’t even be around and I’m generally pretty accepting. But, I find that with any group so I think it’s more of “If this person sucks, stay away. If this person rocks, make friends”. I’ve met so many nice Juggalos but I’ve met some mouthy ones and automatically distanced myself. It’s probably one of the reasons I’ve never gone to a Gathering — that and I’m broke — because I know the bad ones will show as much as the good ones.

      Awh, I’ve always loved clowns. When I was little anytime I saw something clown related I totally wanted it. I even made my Sims have the clown picture in the first game even if it made them sad just so the clown would show up. I’m essentially Joe Dirt’s mom. I don’t have any clown stuff now, I’m bummed out by it. I may have to talk my fiance into something clown-related. Although, he never seems interested.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 2:15 am

      Yeah, like I said, they’re not all bad, the ones I can hang with tend to be the “good kid/bad situation” sort, and the creepy/scary/violent ones, I avoid.

      But that’s kinda how I am with everyone, so it’s not like I’m singling out this specific group.

      …have you never seen Stephen King’s “It”?

    • meteor_echo

      August 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm

      Egads, the movie was terrible – and not in a good way – compared to the book. Then again, it happens to the vast majority of King’s movie adaptations – which is why, no matter how much I’d love to see the Dark Tower cycle as a TV series, I’m glad it’s never happening.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 8:18 pm

      Yeah, King adaptations tend to be hit-or-miss. Oh well, I have plenty of time to read.

    • meteor_echo

      August 18, 2013 at 1:25 am

      Did you read A Wind Through The Keyhole? :3

    • wmdkitty

      August 18, 2013 at 1:50 am

      No… is it good?

    • meteor_echo

      August 18, 2013 at 2:23 am

      It’s amazing. If you’re okay with reading from the screen, I could somehow send you the .pdf file.

    • wmdkitty

      August 18, 2013 at 2:32 am

      I do most of my reading from the screen, anymore. Just shoot me an e-mail, it’s my ‘nym at the Yahoo dot com

    • meteor_echo

      August 18, 2013 at 2:46 am

      Aaand done.

    • Valeri Jones

      August 18, 2013 at 11:24 am

      Have you read Duma Key? Or ‘Salem’s Lot? Those are two of his collection that I just finished and I absolutely love them! Haven’t read A Wind Through the Keyhole yet, but it’s on my ‘puter.

    • Justme

      August 17, 2013 at 10:26 pm

      My brothers made me watch it when I was in second grade and then were miffed why I didn’t want to go to the circus.

    • wmdkitty

      August 18, 2013 at 12:02 am

      Gee, I can’t possibly imagine why you’d be wary of the circus…
      /deadpan

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 18, 2013 at 5:28 am

      I saw IT as a child and again a few years ago. The clown didn’t really scare me, maybe because I always knew who it was and I love Tim Curry way too much to be scared.

    • G.E. Phillips

      August 17, 2013 at 8:23 am

      Mae, I’m really glad you posted here, because I was about to come on here and make a negative comment, and now I’ll hold my tongue. But up until now the only thing I knew of Juggalos was the Adrienne Reynolds murder case (she was a teenager who was killed by two of her frienemies, both of whom identified as Juggalos.)

      All groups of people have good and bad representatives. I mean, Jesus, just look at Scientology.

    • Justme

      August 17, 2013 at 11:12 am

      I don’t think Jesus really looks at Scientology that much…

    • ClothesAndStuff

      August 17, 2013 at 2:13 pm

      I just guffawed like an idiot at this comment. 😀

    • G.E. Phillips

      August 17, 2013 at 7:04 pm

      Well played!

    • Justme

      August 17, 2013 at 10:25 pm

      Thank you. I know the phrasing you were actually going for, but when I read it…I just thought, “there’s no way Jesus would actually take Scientology seriously.” Anyways. From reading your other posts, I figured you would get the humor.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 18, 2013 at 5:27 am

      I’m glad I could change some of your minds on some of the members of the group.

      I’ve seen this case before on two different shows on ID. I cannot remember if they mentioned them being Juggalos or not on there, but when I looked it up it said they both identified with the group. Although, it seemed more like Sarah was harboring some mental issues more than it was based on the Juggalo culture. But, violence isn’t uncommon.

      Scientology is something I don’t understand at all. I just can’t grasp the actual ideal. Which is probably why I’m not one. Hah.

    • realityycheque

      August 18, 2013 at 7:11 am

      “I always get bummed when I see any group being sort of shot down for the worst of the group.” this bothers me a lot too.

      In high school I was very good friends with a group of pretty involved “metalheads”. In those days I was a skinny, blonde Barbie doll of a thing who wore pink a lot, but our differences didn’t influence our relationship and despite the media’s portrayal of people who listen to metal music being violent thugs, they were truly some of the nicest, most warmhearted people I have ever known to this day. Conversely, I have known some pretty awful, aggressive, backstabbing and judgmental people who listened to mainstream pop, rap and r&b.

      I can see how people with pre-existing issues with anger and aggression might be drawn to metal music, but you can’t paint everyone with the same brush, and at the end of the day I honestly believe it is the person, not the music that defines their behaviour. In all the years we’ve known each other, I have never known a single one of my metalhead friends to get into a fight. They’re exceptional people.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 21, 2013 at 7:30 am

      I’ve had the same experiences. Some of the nicest people I’ve met have been into metal or ICP, but I know any group can harbor some of the worst people. One of the nicest guys I’ve ever met is a rapper — while some of his lyrics are a bit intense, he’s such a nice guy. He even went to school to become a pastor before he found that he would rather follow through with his dreams of becoming a rapper.

      I’ve never felt my musical choices made me into what I am. I’m usually pretty relaxed and my fiance, as I said earlier, is the most docile person I have ever met. He will do anything to avoid upsetting anyone ever. He’s adorable.

      I agree with everything you say, though.

    • Tusconian

      August 18, 2013 at 11:22 pm

      Like I already said, this is true with all so-called alt subcultures.

      But the problem with attitudes like “we’re accepting” and “I’ve only experienced acceptance” is that you’re talking from the perspective of an insider, which means you were probably already acceptable to them when you were an outsider. Attacking people for simply being on the outside, or for not being an acceptable outsider, is a direct contradiction of being accepting. I’ve been excluded from a lot of these so called inclusive groups because to even be considered you have to be….demographically similar, to put it lightly, and when you point out these counterculture, alternative, accepting groups are almost always very, very prejudiced, the response is always “but I felt accepted as an insider/someone close to an insider.” That doesn’t mean every individual or every clique within the subculture are prejudiced or exclusive, but it does explain why a lot of people are antagonistic to these groups, as they’re usually exclusive to people who aren’t actually against them initially.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 21, 2013 at 7:34 am

      That’s why I tried to make it clear that it was from my point of view. I know a lot of people have experienced different things. It’s sort of like cats and dogs. Dogs love me, I can get just about any dog to come cuddle up to me, while cats generally hate me but like everyone else in the house (if this example even makes sense outside of my head).

      I just wanted to give my insight into the matter of what I’ve experienced. I figured everyone has had different experiences as opposed to what I’ve gone through.

      Personally, I have met people who don’t really fit into the same catagory as what most Juggalos fit into. I’ve met rich Juggalos and I’ve met low income Juggalos. I’ve met Christian Juggalos (which, I’m a Christian), I’ve met Atheist Juggalos. Everyone is different and my experiences come only from what I have experienced.

      I just wanted to clear up that not every Juggalo ever is like what is described in the article, is all.

    • Amber

      August 16, 2013 at 10:35 pm

      I really don’t understand how you can refer to yourself as an “older Juggalette.” You’re 23 years old. I’m in my 30s and ICP was around when I was in high school.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 17, 2013 at 1:04 am

      Usually in my group and other older groups I’ve seen it usually means “I’m not into some psudeo-wanna-be gang from trying too hard to make obviously joke songs into seriousness”. My fiance is in his thirties, though and he’s been one much longer than I, as well.

      I got into it when I was around eleven or twelve. I use the term older as someone who has been in it for a long time.

    • Former Jugalette

      August 19, 2013 at 9:41 am

      Wow, got into it at 11 or 12? I think that’s pretty damn young given the subjects they rap about.

    • Former Juggalette

      August 19, 2013 at 9:42 am

      Damn I even spelled it wrong, that’s how long it’s been since I was a juggalette in high school lol.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 21, 2013 at 7:23 am

      Haha. I almost did several times. It’s worse because my spelling check kept telling me it was wrong and as soon as I see that red squiggle I would keep looking it over like “Wtf did I do wrong?”

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 21, 2013 at 7:23 am

      My parents didn’t really censor us a lot, which is probably how I ended up listening to it. My parents usually had a “You know what you shouldn’t watch or listen to” sort of deal. And this usually applied well as I knew if a movie was rated R or sex came on I was to quickly change the channel and move on. I suppose with music it didn’t seem to stand as strongly as my mother was a huge metal head. Neither seemed to be super okay to listen to at that age, but I did anyways. Haha.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 1:23 am

      I’m still giggling at “jump out of the clown car”.

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 17, 2013 at 1:26 am

      I couldn’t think of a better way to put it, I almost put “out of the closet” but then I thought that a clown car would represent the ideal better.

      Haha.

    • wmdkitty

      August 17, 2013 at 1:29 am

      Clever!

    • Amber Starr

      August 21, 2013 at 8:07 pm

      You and your fiance sound like wonderful people and your little one is lucky to have such great (soon-to-be) parents! From one 1st time pregnant momma to another: GOOD LUCK!

    • Mae Blackwood

      August 23, 2013 at 11:25 am

      Thank you ~ !

      Good luck and congrats to you, as well!

      <3

    • livefightdestroytogether

      February 20, 2014 at 8:12 pm

      WHOOP WHOOP! <3

  18. chickadee

    August 16, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    ICP actually shills for God….no word on how He feels about their actions…..
    http://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god

    • Frances Locke

      August 16, 2013 at 1:51 pm

      When ICP came out with that stuff I pictured God throwing His hands up and being like “Don’t bring me into this mess.”

    • Paul White

      August 16, 2013 at 3:41 pm

      “Nope, no longer omniscient, don’t you please go away.”

  19. The Great Queen Spider

    August 16, 2013 at 1:29 pm

    There’s a lot of them where I live, granted there’s also a lot of meth here. It’s no coincidence.

  20. SDA

    August 16, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Geez this makes me sad. Nurture your freakin’ children please! I guess I could be considered part of a music sub-culture as well (on the complete opposite end of the spectrum however)….I don’t need my kid to be. She can form her own opinions later. Sure she might end up with a T-shirt or two along the way, but she doesn’t need to be part of it, she is a kid for Christ’s sake.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm

      what music subculture I neeed to knowwwwww

    • SDA

      August 16, 2013 at 2:29 pm

      haha. Phish. I really don’t think of it as much of a sub-culture, especially since I am too tired and motherly and broke to go “on tour” with them, but you know…same thing….strong following, fan base with a bit of a reputation (although I don’t think the reputation is warranted, just misunderstood). 😉

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 2:51 pm

      I have no sub-culture 🙁

    • Paul White

      August 16, 2013 at 3:08 pm

      Culture? isn’t that what they make my yogurt with?

    • TngldBlue

      August 16, 2013 at 2:35 pm

      Right? I guess we’d be considered hippies and our daughter has exactly one tie dye. I would never force her to go to random shows, wear her hair in dreadlocks, or become a spinner. Maybe she’ll still like the music when she gets older, maybe not but right now it’s really not the scene for someone her age.

    • SDA

      August 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm

      haha exactly! And geez, why would I want her to go to a show with me…”Wait, what, what did you just pick up off the ground and put in your mouth?”; “You have to go potty now, like right now, can’t it wait ’til set break?” That is my time to relax and be my non-mom self! 🙂

  21. crazygemini12

    August 16, 2013 at 3:10 pm

    Wow. I just learned so much. I had no idea about this. It was like watching a documentary on the Discovery channel.

  22. Kristen

    August 16, 2013 at 3:27 pm

    Why is this a story?

    • Eve Vawter

      August 16, 2013 at 4:02 pm

      Because it’s the most fascinating thing ever

  23. Lee

    August 16, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    I have a friend who is afraid of clowns. I occasionally will do an image search for juggalos and post it on her fb wall because I am a jerk like that.

  24. BoopBoopBoop

    August 16, 2013 at 4:37 pm

    I grew up in Hamilton and now I live in Cincinnati and I can fully attest to the accuracy of this post. Juggalos are STILL everywhere and I know a number of girls from high school, all of whom got pregnant before they were 18, who were juggalettes. Unsurprisingly, most of them had their children taken away by the state because they boozed, got high and neglected them. Sigh. It’s fucking terrifying.

    • Frances Locke

      August 16, 2013 at 5:19 pm

      Hamiltucky survivors UNITE!

  25. jendra_berri

    August 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    I had a friend in high school who listened to this band. He played it all the time and he did a lot of crazy shit. It infected several other friends in the neighbourhood and it was something of a soundtrack to one of the weirdest summers I’d ever had and have ever had since.
    If a rhino mated with a dragon and their offspring heard voices telling it to burn things, I’m pretty sure it would sound exactly like Insane Clown Posse.

    • Frances Locke

      August 16, 2013 at 5:19 pm

      This is my favorite comment so far.

  26. Madame Ovaries

    August 16, 2013 at 4:52 pm

    HEY! Faygo is delicious. Red Pop is my childhood (and I’m not even a Juggalette).

    P.S. Real ICP lyric: “magnets! How the fuck do they work?” Lawlz.

  27. JustWhy?

    August 16, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Well… just to throw this out there, I like the music. I have since I was about nine. I’ve also never done drugs, I don’t drink, I’m a junior in college graduating with honors (if I make it out of Principles of Biology alive), my daughter is five and aside from the occasional snatching of my pepsi can when I’m not looking has never drank soda that was hers, she’s bright, healthy, and beautiful, and I just don’t get how we can lump every fan of a particular musical ensemble along with idiots who use it as an excuse to simply be their own dumbass selves. For example: I love Pink Floyd… I’ve never tripped acid. At least they don’t play ICP on the radio, but if I have to hear about “good kush and alcohol” again, I going to kill someone. P.S. My kid’s not allowed to listen to ICP, or any other band and/or rapper that is inappropriate.

    • Gangle

      August 17, 2013 at 4:55 am

      I don’t think this article is about people who own a few ICP records.. but the ICP ‘lifestylers’ who take their fandom to a whole different level. I have met some of these ‘Juggalos’ through a friend who dated one when I was in my early 20’s.. they are from a different planet.

    • Muggle

      August 19, 2013 at 4:53 am

      Yeah, I know people on both sides of the coin. ICP is very popular in rural towns; I knew a girl who, while dressing like a punk/emo kid in high school, was in honors classes and was really quite intelligent and kind while using an ICP song in one English project (it really, really makes sense in context. The project was about hysteria and how fucked up the news media are. IIRC she did pretty well).

      On the other hand, I once dated a guy who became a juggalo after I left him for cheating on me. He fits the stereotype to a T, though I didn’t realize this when I was dating him.

    • Gangle

      August 19, 2013 at 5:58 am

      I think it all really comes down to judging someone by their actions, not their ‘image’. I have a friend that listens to ICP, Slipknot, Rob Zombie and all that sort of creepy shock/horror core stuff. He is covered in tats and over all looks a bit creepy. But he is a big sweetie that doesn’t smoke, rarely drinks, doesn’t swear in front of ladies and picks his mum up every week so he can drive her to the shops so she can get her shopping done.

    • Muggle

      August 19, 2013 at 6:49 am

      This is true for just about any fandom, really. There’s always going to be that handful of loonies who turn into “lifestylers.”

    • wmdkitty

      August 20, 2013 at 2:54 am

      Okay, you do realize there’s a whole range of lifestylers, yeah?

      There’s a huge difference between the lifestyler that’s just matter-of-fact and laid-back about it, and the “lifestyler” who takes it too far and descends into violent action, and about a zillion shades in-between the two.

      (Also, as a furry lifestyler, no… we’re not all fur-suit wearing loonies. It’s just part of who I am, so why hide it?)

    • Muggle

      August 20, 2013 at 6:21 pm

      I was talking about people who take their love for something and promptly go batshit crazy and violent because of it. Of course I’m aware of different types of “lifestylers.” Gangle and I were talking about a specific type of lifestyler, who takes things way too far.

    • wmdkitty

      August 20, 2013 at 11:24 pm

      ‘Kay. I think we’re in agreement on this one.

  28. Red Angry Bird

    August 16, 2013 at 5:56 pm

    As a native Michigander, I take big exception to the portrayal of Faygo. Faygo RedPop is nectar from the gods. God, I miss Faygo. Sometimes I can find it in the more ghetto parts of Philly, which makes me look insane when I get excited about it.

    As for the rest of this, carry on.

    • Madame Ovaries

      August 17, 2013 at 11:02 am

      Preach! I have such fond memories of walking home from high school and getting a Faygo cream soda. You know the ones in the old fashioned bottles?

      Faygo, Vernor’s, and Better Made potato chips. Pure Michigan. 🙂

    • footnotegirl

      August 20, 2013 at 10:10 pm

      Don’t forget Sanders bumpy cake and bittersweet fudge, and of course, square pizza.

  29. Kelly S

    August 16, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    terrifying. >_< but at least we got the greatest meme of all time out of them. OF ALL TIME.

    http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/22/73/227312_482462.jpg

  30. Mary

    August 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    I’m speechless, for the first time, I’m speechless.

  31. Tusconian

    August 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm

    If anyone was wondering, there are places in the Southwest where Faygo goes for 3 dollars a glass. Not 3 dollars a 2-liter (which would still be a lot for Faygo, or even Coke), but 3 dollars a GLASS (like, 16 ounces, with ice?). I do not know why, I guess the same reason PBR prices are climbing in some places, but there we go.

  32. Valeri Jones

    August 16, 2013 at 10:07 pm

    There was an episode of Bones that was based around a murder that occurred in metal subcultures. It’s called Mayhem on a Cross, and it gives a lot of perspective on it. Being that I’ve not been exposed to it much, I have no idea how true it all is. But it’s interesting.

    *sigh* I never go a day without referencing Bones for SOMETHING that goes on during the day. I am THAT girl. =o/

  33. Amber

    August 16, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    I didn’t know ICP was anti-education. That explains so much…

  34. Sarah

    August 17, 2013 at 3:01 am

    “Fuck the mom indeed.”

    That is going to be my motto, forever. I laughed so much, I’ve retold… That was beautiful.

    Also, great job on getting out. Her dad may be a little crazy, but at least she has you to ensure her future. You’ll be there to balance out the insanity, to say no when it needs to be said. To be the parent.

    And, fuck the mom indeed.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 17, 2013 at 6:39 am

      If someone make us Fuck The Mom cross-stitched pillows I will be so happy

  35. Daisy

    August 17, 2013 at 4:34 am

    I am just stunned. I have never heard of any of this, ever. It’s like… discovering life on Mars. So now I want to know–do these people have a reality show on TLC? If they do, how have I never heard of it? (I don’t watch TLC reality shows, but I’m usually at least culturally aware of them.) And if they don’t… why not???

    When I first started this article, I was picturing like a small part of a small town that was a weird isolated cult thing. But by the time I finished it, and read some of the comments, I see that, no, it is apparently a THING. And I never ever knew anything about it.

  36. Justme

    August 17, 2013 at 10:46 am

    Who knew an article about Juggalos would garner over 100 comments?!

  37. Neverthrive

    August 17, 2013 at 4:11 pm

    This article is nothing but hyperbolas generalizations. People are taking a group of clowns far too seriously. Not every juggalo is a high school dropout and not everyone who’s dropped out of high school is a juggalo. Now apply that same logic to drugs, bad parenting, crime, etc… Yes, these things happen in the juggalo community, but such things are true too for every culture, it’s not exclusive. Anyone who hates everyone in any group, culture, or of any ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexuality, or belief, before they ever actually bother to get to know the individual, needs to get the fuck off from their high horse. Don’t be such a fucking judgmental cunt next time.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm

      The best way to get someone to take what you are saying seriously is to call them a “cunt”

    • Neverthrive

      August 19, 2013 at 11:20 am

      The best way to avoid being called a cunt is to not be one.

    • Neverthrive

      August 19, 2013 at 9:23 pm

      Okay, try to look at this from a different perspective. Do you realize how inane it is to make such broad generalizations based solely upon musical preference? This is a rant written by a disgruntled ex-wife of a juggalo who padded her story with offensive stereotypes and internet propaganda. Anyone who believes that all, or even most, are anywhere near close to the misconception of an archetypal juggalo is a fool.

      Yes, you will probably meet juggalos who do live up to the nasty reputation, I won’t even try to deny that they exist, I’ve met a few myself. Do a lot of juggalos partake in recreational drug use? My answer is yeah, probably they do. But that doesn’t make most of them junkies. Believe it or not, hard drugs are frowned upon by the majority of juggalos, and hey wow, it’s not like juggalos are the only young folk in america who smoke pot. Seriously, I don’t know why anyone even gives a shit about marijuana anymore.

      Do you know why you never actually meet the decent juggalos, the kind that are normal, functioning members of society? Because they don’t wear it on their sleeves. Why would they? They’d only be ridiculed because a handful of bad examples gave outstandingly negative connotations to an entire sub-culture. I can’t even say how many times I’ve seen people who’ve had a friend for years, then one day they come to find that this friend of theirs likes ICP, and then they feel obligated to reevaluate their entire relationship with this individual. Why would someone’s musical preference make any difference?

      To dispel a few misconceptions, no Faygo is not swill, it’s just soda. It’s nothing special, it’s not even particularly cheap outside of Michigan. Yes, some flavors taste gross, that happens. Seriously, it’s just soda. Get over it. ICP promotes ignorance? Well, if your only exposure to ICP is the Miracles music video (and/or the SNL parody), I suppose I can understand that stance. You have to account for a few things though. First, they’re fucking clowns. Almost everything they say on record they say in jest. They aren’t taking themselves seriously, why the hell is everyone else?

      The Miracles video was dumb. That’s a true story. Though no one hates that video more than juggalos. The ACTUAL point of the song is to appreciate the small wonders of life we take for granted. Our culture is so jaded to everything, we can communicate instantly with people on the other side of the world and still bitch about the most insignificant flaws of the devises we use to do so. We’re ungrateful for the wonders of our modern world. Granted, the point was not articulated well. The song blows, but everyone missed the the underlying message.

      So ICP are mentally retarded and completely untalented? This seems to be the general consensus, from what I’ve gathered. Well, hey, you might not enjoy their music, that’s fine, or even respect them as human beings, but you can’t dismiss their success. No, they’re not educated, but they have run a successful business for over two decades, by themselves, with little to no support from large corporations. They’re obviously doing something right.

      I think what most people don’t understand is that Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope are stage personas. Beyond the stage, without the paint, those guys are just a couple of suburban white dudes with wives and kids. No one ever mentions the things that ICP, and by extension, juggalos, stand against, such as: classism, racism (or discrimination of any kind), domestic violence, rape, child abuse, the death penalty, substance abuse, corruption of church and televangelism, even the poor public education system in impoverished inner cities.

      There, that was seven paragraphs free of any childish name-calling. I’m sure everything I say will still be dismissed, though, or ignored altogether. I can’t understand why people are so willing to buy into this ridiculous propaganda. Toxic face paint, are you serious? How is that any different than a kid getting their face painted like a lion at the fair? Since when is it harmful for a family to dress up together, don’t most people do that for Halloween? No, faygo isn’t harmful either, and no, juggalos do not substitute baby formula with faygo. Teen pregnancy is not encouraged, my god, that’s so ridiculous. Teen pregnancy is just as much a burden to young juggalos as anyone else, why would anyone actively seek such hardship?

      Not all of us paint our faces, not everyone shouts whoop whoop, we don’t always have a rap-sheet a mile long. Some of us do, and some of us you would never recognize as a juggalo because some of us are actually educated, some of us can form coherent sentences, some of us don’t have a criminal record, and some of us are as vanilla as anyone else. Not every juggalo is what you see or hear of on the internet, we’re not all the same, despite how much people insist we are. And we are most certainly not a loosely organized hybrid street gang.

    • wmdkitty

      August 19, 2013 at 9:51 pm

      “And we are most certainly not a loosely organized hybrid street gang.”

      The FBI disagrees with you.

      Juggalos

      The Juggalos, a loosely-organized hybrid gang, are rapidly expanding into many US communities. Although recognized as a gang in only four states, many Juggalos subsets exhibit gang-like behavior and engage in criminal activity and violence. Law enforcement officials in at least 21 states have identified criminal Juggalo sub-sets, according to NGIC reporting.e

      NGIC reporting indicates that Juggalo gangs are expanding in New Mexico primarily because they are attracted to the tribal and cultural traditions of the Native Americans residing nearby.

      Most crimes committed by Juggalos are sporadic, disorganized, individualistic, and often involve simple assault, personal drug use and possession, petty theft, and vandalism. However, open source reporting suggests that a small number of Juggalos are forming more organized subsets and engaging in more gang-like criminal activity, such as felony assaults, thefts, robberies, and drug sales. Social networking websites are a popular conveyance for Juggalo sub-culture to communicate and expand.

      In January 2011, a suspected Juggalo member shot and wounded a couple in King County, Washington, according to open source reporting.13

      Juggalos’ disorganization and lack of structure within their groups, coupled with their transient nature, makes it difficult to classify them and identify their members and migration patterns. Many criminal Juggalo sub-sets are comprised of transient or homeless individuals, according to law enforcement reporting. Most Juggalo criminal groups are not motivated to migrate based upon traditional needs of a gang. However, law enforcement reporting suggests that Juggalo criminal activity has increased over the past several years and has expanded to several other states. Transient, criminal Juggalo groups pose a threat to communities due to the potential for violence, drug use/sales, and their general destructive and violent nature.

      Now, this does NOT say that ALL Juggalos are destructive and violent. Only that there is a specific (and significant) component of this subculture that is causing a problem, and has been enough of a problem that the friggin’ FEDS are paying attention.

    • Neverthrive

      August 19, 2013 at 10:26 pm

      It might not say we’re all criminals, but they sure treat us all as though we were. I’m fortunate enough to live somewhere where it’s not an issue. I doubt a cop would even notice if I were wearing ICP merchandise, which I don’t. But if I were to be pulled over and the officer actually happened to see my Mighty Death Pop key chain (that is a thing I actually have), I could legally be classified as a gang member. That is absurd.

    • wmdkitty

      August 19, 2013 at 10:51 pm

      I didn’t say I agreed with the FBI.

      Though… they do have a point. There does seem to be a criminal subculture within the greater Juggalo community.

      How to fix that? I dunno. Your guess is as good as mine.

    • Neverthrive

      August 19, 2013 at 11:16 pm

      I think the solution is a simple one. Treat individuals accordingly. Try criminals for their crimes, not for the music they listen to. Yes, juggalos have committed crimes, but to my knowledge they’ve been isolated incidents. I’ve never seen any two crimes committed by juggalos that have any connection other than the fact that they were committed by juggalos. There might be some cases of small town drug trafficking, but it’s not like juggalos have ties with any cartel.

    • Muggle

      August 20, 2013 at 6:30 pm

      Every time I hear about a juggalo getting arrested for something in the news, ICP will come out later and pretty much denounce that person. Declaring someone a gang member just because they like a certain music group is utterly absurd. It’s like burning Harry Potter fans at the stake for witchcraft. To ICP’s credit it doesn’t seem like a superficial CYA measure, either.

      I think the juggalos who commit crimes are small-town criminals to begin with, then start “networking” with juggalos who are much the same. To say that my high school English classmate is the same as my ex is totally ridiculous; my ex is an utter asshole who’s also racist, my classmate is in fact a pretty nice person. I know a third juggalette who’s also really nice and as far as I know isn’t anything like the stereotypical juggalo.

    • fuck ya

      August 20, 2013 at 2:44 am

      not the best way but it does have it’s impact
      CUNT!!!

    • fuck ya again

      August 20, 2013 at 2:45 am

      Oh shit I’m sorry do you not like Broad assumptions on a persons persona?

  38. Keyser Soze

    August 19, 2013 at 12:55 am

    Juggalos are exactly why God invented abortions

  39. Keyser Soze

    August 19, 2013 at 12:57 am

    white people are disgusting, drug addicted, illiterate, low-IQ criminal thug scum

    • Muggle

      August 19, 2013 at 4:37 am

      Except I bathe regularly, have never even tried marijuana, am in my third year of college and have an IQ of 129.

      Try again, troll.

  40. fuck you my name is nonya

    August 20, 2013 at 2:28 am

    wow are you an ignorant fuck. and this is coming from a regular person

  41. nonya

    August 20, 2013 at 2:41 am

    I see the Comments that you don’t agree with or don’t fit into your pathetic delusion get deleted, fucking pussy cunt!
    I read this shitty article and all I got from it is you’re ignorant and got butthurt cuz you couldn’t please your man. Don’t blame a culture as a whole cuz of your dumb ass.

    • Eve Vawter

      August 20, 2013 at 9:33 am

      We don’t delete comments unless they are racist, bigoted, or we get enough reader comments telling us to. We usually just mock the lame comments. http://images.wikia.com/smuff/images/f/f3/Derp.gif

    • Very Cold Dude

      October 30, 2013 at 12:38 pm

      I think the juggalos by definition are the lack of culture. Get real ICP doesn’t even make good music.

    • brebay

      November 13, 2013 at 6:16 pm

      Well, you sure are proving her wrong aren’t you? Here she had us all thinking you were ignorant trash…

  42. Merry Cherry

    August 20, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    Wow. All of us Juggalettes aren’t drug addicted losers. I’ve been a fan of ICP for about 15 years, and what I see you describing is just the negative side. A lot of the younger fans just getting into the “clown culture” make all of us look bad. I’ve got my masters degree in education, have a steady job (as does my husband), I wear deodorant daily, and don’t abuse alcohol. How about you come to the next ICP show and check things out. You’ll find me sitting in the back with a bottle of water and a bag of gummy worms. That’s about hardcore as I get. 🙂

  43. Suburban Mommy

    August 20, 2013 at 3:39 pm

    I live a couple of hours from the town described in this piece and had two brothers who went through a Juggalo phase (well, one went through and came out, but the other still proudly drinks Faygo). So I can say with certainty the following six things about ICP to back-up the author here:

    1. Hamilton, Ohio is very correctly called Hamil-tucky.
    2. It’s true that Juggalos aren’t ALL white trash, but like 98% of them are. The other 2% are people who have terrible taste in music and teenagers like my brothers who wanted to piss off their parents (and also have terrible taste in music).
    3. Faygo IS disgusting (but I used to love drinking the strawberry flavor as a kid).
    4. ICP is terrible. Just terrible.
    5. The members of ICP are profoundly stupid. I submit a line from one of their later music videos: “F*%king magnets. How do they work?” (That is a word for word quote. No joke.)
    6. ICP is really terrible. Really, really terrible.

  44. Guest

    September 4, 2013 at 9:51 pm

    It actually says quad-doses; nice lame joke. but i agree re: the rest

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  47. Very Cold Dude

    October 30, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Can we just make an island and convince all of the “juggalos” to inhabit it. We can send all of the polititards there as well.

  48. brebay

    November 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm

    “The only one fucking his mom was his uncle.” Hell, how do I get coffee spray out of my keyboard?

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