New Scooby Doo Movie Teaches Girls Getting Fat Is The Worst Thing That Could Happen To You

In the new Scooby-Doo movie Scooby-Doo! Frankencreepy, Daphne gets cursed – and as a result of the curse, grows from a “size two to a size eight.” Clearly, growing to a size eight — way smaller than the average American woman — is the worst thing that could befall a girl and a great lesson for the kids!

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Writers and producers seem to think that the worst thing that could happen to a pretty girl like Daphne is to put on some weight. It’s also clear writers and producers have no idea what a size eight looks like – because it’s certainly not this. Do we really need to bring the idea of body-shame into a beloved cartoon? Great idea. Let’s start our kids early brainwashing them with the idea that gaining weight is the worst thing that could happen to them.

Here’s the actual scene where Daphne is cursed:

Huffington Post points out that some reviewers actually think Daphne’s curse is a lesson in self acceptance. They quote one Amazon reviewer:

I was worried about [the movie] promoting a negative body image for women based on another review about Daphne being turned in to a “size eight” and her freaking out about it. I actually have to defend the writers here because Daphne realized she was being superficial throughout that story arc, it added to the story in a meaningful way (it allows her to evade iron face) and the most importantly: Fred didn’t notice/care and said that she “always looked good to him.” I would say it was more about acceptance and not being superficial than anything.

I’m going to have to disagree with this male reviewer. I think you can teach lessons in body acceptance without waffling between fat-shaming and shaming girls for caring about how they look. Also, “the most important” part of female body acceptance isn’t whether the man in their life still likes the way they look, as this reviewer seems to think.

This whole thing was just done wrong. First, making girls think being a size eight — a full three sizes smaller than the average size-14 American woman — is a curse is absurd. Also, we really need to get away from the idea that gaining weight is the worst thing that can befall a woman.

Earlier this year when NYC schools sent children home with fitness report cards that called some of them overweight (admittedly a horrible idea) mothers on my Facebook feed were freaking out. I just remember thinking, maybe we shouldn’t be sending the message to our children that being called overweight is the worst thing that could happen to a person. That’s exactly what I think this movie does — and it’s not healthy for our kids.

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    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

      The only way that I could really see this being remotely acceptable is a scenario where the creature curses Daphne based on HER idea of what the worst thing to happen to her could be, and then she learns a valuable lesson about self-acceptance and how you can love yourself no matter what and what’s on the inside is more important, what a little shit she was being before, etc.

      That would still beg the question of why they felt the need to distort a size 8 so much, because at least the stillframe above certainly isn’t a size 8. It’s still a distorted image, and it’s still very reflective of our society’s view of femininity on the whole. I think that’s what reviewers like the one above really miss out on–the story itself is only part of the problem. The images and tones and themes of the entire work also have to be examined.

      • journalgal2

        Agree 100%. Why need to name a size number at all? We all know sizes of clothing look different on different body types, and this just adds to the distortion and confusion for young girls about what their weight is “supposed” to be and what size they are “supposed” to wear.

      • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

        Very good point. I don’t see the reason that a specific size was necessary either.

      • journalgal2

        When I was in junior high school my weight went over 100 pounds. I had it in my head that 100 pounds was the “fat” dividing line and I was so sad. Thank goodness for positive role models like my family. While I still wish for a flatter stomach and thinner thighs from time to time (no chance, built like my Ukrainian farm wife ancestors) I know that my strong 5’9″, 175 lb, size 10 body is pretty awesome. Hope to pass the same message on to my daughter. Cartoons like this don’t help but I suppose it could kick off some good conversation.

      • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

        For the record, I would kill to be 5′ 9″ and built to match. ;)

        I hate that we live in a world where it has to be reinforced so strongly, but you’re right–hopefully the conversations that come out of such things will be beneficial. Engaged parents can turn anything around, I think.

      • journalgal2

        Amen to that! Wouldn’t it be great for the next generation of girls to celebrate their bodies because they can run, jump, climb, etc. instead of look a certain way in a two piece.

      • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

        I so agree. The human body is amazing. I wish we could appreciate it for what it can do. ;)

      • sup!teacher

        You were lucky. My mom told me all the time that if I was over 120, I was fat. She’d fat shame me as a kid because I had a “belly”.
        I remember crying when I was 11 because I was 120. At 11, I was a good two inches taller than her and I was athletic – swimming and riding my bike every day. It was all muscle.
        I starved myself in grade 8 and 9 until I was 90 pounds, which looked ridiculous on my frame and affected my performance as an athlete.

        Now I see the same thing happening to my niece who is 2. My mom makes comments all the time about how she is getting fat. I was so pissed off that I stormed away. Can’t she see all the damage she’s caused?

        The sad thing is my sister has internalized everything she has said, and I see her doing the same thing to my niece.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        With you, sister. Right there :(

      • journalgal2

        Poor girl, and poor you too! That’s awful. At least she has you as an aunt to model something better.

        My niece isn’t quite 2 and is short and stout, with the cutest round tummy. She’s 2, that’s how she’s supposed to look! Someone made a comment about her belly once and my sister tore that person a new one. It was glorious.

      • whiteroses

        People constantly tell me that my son is huge. I shrug and say, “he was ten pounds when he was born, he likes to eat, and he burns off a ton of calories all day long.”

        sup!teacher, please hear me when I say that your mom needs to be torn a new one. It breaks my heart to think that your niece is hearing that crap from women who are supposed to be telling her she’s beautiful no matter what.

      • Dwayne Myra Butler Mouton

        Is your son overweight? If he is overweight and you just shrug it off rather than trying to prepare healthier meals that is just plain poor parenting.

      • whiteroses

        Thanks ever so much for the concern trolling. How’s this for an answer- it is absolutely none of your business, but his pediatrician (who has a medical degree) states that he is not.

        He is built like my grandfather, who topped six feet, was a pro football player in the 30s, and was never fat in his life. But thanks so much for questioning my parenting skills-that’s exactly what I needed today.

      • Alexandra

        THIS! I had a friend tell me to stop feeding my son because he is 21 lbs at 5 months old. HELLO!! he’s not even crawling yet so he can’t exactly burn off the calories. Also, yea we have most ppl in my family over 6 feet and large too (not fat, just large!) AND she’s used to raising girls, who are tiny in comparison. I had to tell her (in a nice way) to please fuck off. And that our Ped said baby boy was fine and healthy and not to stop feeding him.
        Jesus Christ on a trike what some people think is their business…

      • http://maitribathbody.com/ Maitri

        Stand up to your mom. Tell her to knock it off. She keeps doing it because everyone lets her. Don’t let her wreck another little girl’s childhood.

      • Holly

        I agree with the other comments. Time to stand up for that poor little girl. No matter how awkward or uncomfortable it might be or how it affects your relationship with your sister or mother, you should do this. Think if you had someone like that standing up for you as a child. And maybe, just maybe, it will stop the behavior before the girl becomes an age where it will stick with her.

      • Boozy Inactivist

        Yep, me too. I’ve heard so many comments about my 16 month old daughter, she’s what I call “well covered”, not fat, but has those gorgeous toddler cheeks and belly. She also eats more than I do, she amazes me how much food she can pack away. The line I used on my Mother and MIL after a few too many comments was there are only 2 people who can ever vocalize their opinion on my daughter’s body – One is her, the other is her doctor. If they both agree she’s fine, I don’t want to hear it from anyone else. Just shut that talk down now before it hurts that little girl.

      • JJ

        I hear you. I’m glad you had good role models to set you straight and support you though. Looking back now I just laugh and think what I wouldn’t give to go back to my “fat” high school days of 115 to 120 pounds and a size 6 or smaller. Oh I was just soo huge in my mind back then. Now I’m a lot more then that and I’m living in a fantasy land that as an adult nearing my 30′s if I think I’m going to weigh 115 pounds again. I have come to accept that I am who I am now and If I want to lose weight for my health, not appearence, I sure can but I’m not going to delude myself into thinking I will be my high school teenage size again. Hahah no.

      • brebayVadgeBadge

        Ugh. Plus they’re arbitrary. There are no regulations about what size tag you can put in clothes. Plus they change over time. Mary Tyler Moore talked about being a size 8 on her show in the 70′s, and you could see her freaking hip bones. They’re completely random.

      • Maria Guido

        Yeah – I guess it could be okay – but she looks HORRIFIED. Not good.

      • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

        I don’t know that I’d go so far as okay even. That’s just the only remotely reasonable justification I could think of. And the rest of the representation would still be problematic, regardless.

      • JJ

        I agree. I have seen a size 8 and been a size 8 before and if that is a cartoon creators Hollywood idea of what a size 8 looks like I would hate to see their idea of a gasp, 12 or a 14.they would probably just draw a picture of a woman the size of a small ship. Bull shit that is a size 8 or anywhere near it off the frames I am seeing. And there is nothing wrong with being any size anyway everybody is different. It scares me that a children’s show is portraying the idea the be over a size 4 means your a big huge lady apparently who is out of control. And this is just a children’s show it gets even worse when you go up in age group shows and start hitting the teen shows and adult shows. Good to see were sending a message to young kids, especially girls, that being size 8 or over is shameful, huge and out of control.

        Also I’m pretty sure if I was Velma and Daphne was complaining to me that she was fat and huge I would probably be tempted to smack her. Because pretty sure Velma, at least in the old series, was always a curvy girl herself. I bet Velma was like bitch please stop whining if you think your so fat what did you think of me all those years you knew me. Thanks.

      • guest

        Well, the clip actually does have the bad guy saying that the curse makes them lose what they hold most dear, and then she says “Is that why I lost my looks?” So in a way it sounds like what you said is exactly what happens. If she holds as most dear her looks, then in effect the worst thing that could happen would be to lose them. So maybe it does turn out that it’s a lesson about self-acceptance? I don’t know, just throwing a thought out there. I hate to think that the writers are that dense that the storyline would be a complete fat shaming free for all.

      • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

        That’s the only way that would kind of make sense. Doesn’t erase all of the problematic parts, but at least it doesn’t fully cost my faith in humanity today.

    • LadyClodia the Modest Rat

      Yeah, because it’s totally going to help the self-esteem of overweight children to have their weight associated with being cursed.
      Being the overweight kid can seem like a curse at times, but I wouldn’t have needed anyone else to tell me that or that I was right about it. And for me, I would have been especially devastated with this being in Scooby Doo, because I loved Scooby Doo.
      And it is very disturbing that they are saying that that is a “size eight,” which is very distorting. I would never have been able to be a size 8 without being unhealthy, and at my thinnest and healthiest weight in high school I was size 10/12. Sometimes I was sad that that number wasn’t lower, but most of the time I was able to accept it.
      Our society already puts too much importance on the number on the clothes, rather than the physical and mental health of the person wearing the clothes.

      • Spongeworthy

        So agree about emphasis on health rather than size. This is especially timely as yesterday my husband and I had our evals for the year. I am pretty much always a size 10, and sometimes it bugs me. I’m not above admitting that. But my BP, cholesterol, resting heart rate, blood glucose, are all picture-perfect. It bothers me that people would look at me and just assume I was unhealthy just because of my pants size. There is so much more to health than the numbers on the scale. And yes, I also think mental health and not feeling like crap about yourself because of your size plays a big part in that.
        Long way of saying that I completely agree with you :)

      • sup!teach

        I am a size 18… And my BP is 110/70, cholesterol is excellent, resting heart rate is low, blood gloucose normal, everything is as good as normal or better.

        I’m also a size 18… that looks nothing like the picture above so there is no way that is a size “8″, probably honestly, closer to a size 22 or higher.
        But at least in their minds, I am probably a size 6 or a 4, so rock on.

    • Personal

      Size 8?!?! Oh, sh++! (I’m a 10 on a good day. I had no idea I was grotesque.)

      • NotTakenNotAvailable

        Right? I’ve never been a size 8. I was a 4 for the first two years of high school before puberty really settled in, and when it did, it almost literally happened overnight. I do not recall there being any time between when I was a size 4 and a size 10/12.

    • The Redhead

      When I was dieting for months and months and could finally put on a size 8 I thought I had really made it! It was glorious… a single digit size!!! Greatest. Day. Ever.

    • WhoremonalCrazyLotusSlugalo

      “I lost my looks”… Because heavier than a size 2? Eh…. No.

    • K.

      So I get that the idea is each character is cursed on THEIR biggest fear, losing what they “love most.” For Daphne, that’s apparently her looks. Without seeing the rest of the cartoon, I suppose there’s a way that this *could* transpire that would have the positive effect they’re looking for, such as if Daphne were to discover her new appearance did not in any way inhibit her abilities, change her character, or make her less attractive to other people. Perhaps it might even reveal new things to her–new talents she didn’t realize she had.

      That said, there’s a bunch of things that the cartoon does wrong:
      1. Daphne’s “looks” are relegated entirely to SIZE. Her hair is the same. Her face is the same. If you want to make it about appearance, then make it about appearance, not weight.
      2. It sounds like they gave her size actual numbers. WTF? No.
      3. Her “reward” is assuredly looking the same as she did–ie, ugliness/fatness/whathaveyou is a curse.

      I wonder if a more useful spin on this would be if Daphne stayed the same but the aesthetic values of everyone else around her changed–ie, she looked the same but to everyone else, she was no longer physically beautiful?

      • http://www.twitter.com/ohladyjayne allisonjayne

        I agree. And it’s not much of a lesson if at the end (I’m assuming) she is back to the way she was, no harm done!

        Like yeah maybe they could have made it about self-esteem and not being superficial if she was suddenly transported to a world where looks don’t matter and no one cares that she’s pretty.

      • Rachel

        Her hair is actually quite different – in the cursed version, it has frizz/flyaways and seems to just “poof” instead of flow.

        Your proposed spin would have been a lot more interesting.

    • Aussiemum

      This is maybe the worst thing I’ve seen in a cartoon. So many kidlets love Scooby including my youngest, and what are they going to be thinking about themselves now?
      Kids with body issues are a major problem where I am, as I’m sure they are everywhere around the world.
      The fact that Daphne is freaking out about becoming a normal size teenager, isn’t projecting the right image towards young impressionable kids. How many people that actual size will now be thinking horrible things about they way they look and how much they weigh? Who cares if she is a size 8? Being a bigger size shouldn’t, and doesn’t change the person you are on the inside. You can be absolutely stunning, but have a disgusting attitude.

      ( I’m not really sure how the sizing works in the US, but here I’m a size 10/12. The average size of Australian women is 14. I don’t even think that size 2 is a number here, except for toddler wear)

      • Helene

        I think an American size 8 is an Australian 12.

      • Aussiemum

        Really? Geez, they certainly have a warped sense of the female body! I certainly don’t look like that! I’m currently wearing size 12 pants and I don’t look like that.
        I was actually thinking I looked quite good today, clearly I need to rethink that lol

    • Katja Yount

      This is up there with them coupling Velma with Shaggy because the show runner said, and I quote, “It’s important to high school girls to have a boyfriend.” Yeah. He said that. God forbid that there’s a girl out there going stag and liking it or because the better option hasn’t turned up yet. No need to settle for the “Shaggy” in your life. Wait for the alternatives before you find yourself having to move into his mother’s basement.

      • K.

        Oh fuck me in the ass.

        It’s not just the worldview that a boyfriend is “important” for HS girls, but apparently, it’s SO important that a cowardly, pot-addled slacker with poor hygiene who lives in his van will do.

        (and as someone who actually dated the human equivalent to Shaggy while in HS, it’s SO NOT.)

      • Spongeworthy

        “It’s important to high school girls to have a boyfriend.” So Velma can be super smart but that’s not enough? She has to settle for Shaggy?
        http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/25688/anger-o.gif

      • LiteBrite(UterineDudebro)

        Although I’m pretty certain Shaggy is high most days so obviously has a good “connection.” So…there’s that?

      • NotTakenNotAvailable

        There was a time when I would have been willing to trade sex for weed. There ya go, conservatives–when you legalize weed, you’re helping reduce prostitution.

      • Katja Yount

        That’s absolutely my favorite Leslie Knope gif. What episode was that?

      • Spongeworthy

        I’m not quite sure, but I love this gif too.

    • keelhaulrose

      Am I the only one who thinks “fat Daphne” is well over a size eight? She looks about my size, and I’m firmly into the double digits. My sister is an eight, and she doesn’t look a thing like that. So not only is fat the worst thing that can happen, the terrifying size eight is closer to a 20+, and actual size eight women (who are gorgeous and curvy and many are very athletic) are portrayed as extremely large so girls who will never be a size two (because curves do happen) are automatically depicted as extremely obese.
      This reminds me of that season of America’s Next Top Model where a “plus size” model won, and she was a 6-8 and looked absolutely stunning. In no sane person’s mind did she qualify as “plus size”, and I remember seeing that and being so upset that we’re considering healthy women “plus”, which has a connotation of “fat” to do many young girls.

      • Linzon

        Hot damn, I would take those hips any day over my massive peasant baby-shooters.

      • Rowan

        Also, she’s 6 feet tall. Well over the average height, under the average size but STILL ‘plus size’. Although yeah, she’s HUGE compared to most of the ANTM girls. I usually watch that show while eating cake.

      • keelhaulrose

        My daughter and I used to love to watch that show together, but I had to stop because of the body shaming going on. People complaining about Yvonne, who had lost a ton of weight, being a size two, any amount of belly getting multiple mentions, public weighing… I just didn’t want her to see these rail thin women (some of whom are probably unhealthily underweight) living by the number on the scale.
        We switched to Project Runway, where if someone dares to complain about the weight of their model they immediately have people calling them a poor designer for being unable to adapt.

    • Old Lady Phillips

      Ok, first of all? Fuck Daphne. I mean, really. I literally can’t think of a single mystery that bitch has solved. Velma for the win.
      Second of all, I cannot believe the writers could be this stupid. It’s like we’re going backwards. “Hey, you know that new trend where some people are trying to keep little girls from feeling bad about themselves so that they don’t develop life long self-esteem, body image, and eating disorders? Yeah, fuck that shit. I’m writing a rebuttal.”
      I literally can’t even. This is me right now.

      • Maria Guido

        hahahaha! You’re killing me.

      • http://twitter.com/jessbakescakes JessBakesCakes

        When I was a kid, I liked Daphne because she wore a purple dress (my favorite color) and she was a redhead (like me!), but now Velma is my favorite. Makes me want to become a TV writer.

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    • Lilly

      well cool, if they think that is a size 8 apparently I am about a size 4

      but yeah this is the dumbest thing they could curse her with — anything superficial is a bad idea.

    • 2Well

      I’m an 8. Off to chew some celery now.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        Put the celery on some pizza! It’ll taste better that way! :)

      • 2Well

        I’m one of those weird people who really doesn’t care for pizza. I’m a student, so any time there is free dinner to coerce you to come to mandatory things it is always pizza. I eat it, but I get rather sick of it.

        Celery desserts coming up.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        Ok then. Celery cake sounds good too!

      • NotTakenNotAvailable

        I don’t care for pizza either. Or anything that necessitates bread, for that matter. I’m also not big on cake, though I do think celery would make an excellent garnish for ice cream.

      • 2Well

        Strawberry and celery pie? Like strawberry and rhubarb pie, but with celery?

      • NotTakenNotAvailable

        As long as it’s a la mode! :)

    • Shelly Lloyd

      I thought size 8 was the ideal size. WTF, and they way they drew her she looked more like a size 18 than size 8. And size 2, from what my doctor has told me, is not very healthy for most people.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        Height and body type has a lot to do with it, obviously. I was a size 2 for many years (college/post college.) BUT, I’m also barely 5’4″, with a small frame, narrow shoulders and small boobs, and I worked out a lot. In other words, it looked fine on me because I was at a healthy weight for my frame. I’ve been a zero before, and that looked a little scary. And a size 8, for me, is pushing into “heavy” territory. But on a woman who is taller, larger-boned or has a more curvy or athletic frame, size 2 wouldn’t be healthy and size 8 (or 10, or 14) would be amazing and strong and sexy as hell. And all of that is the reason why I think it’s fucked up that they actually gave a number size along with Daphne just being horrified by the fat curse (which is bad enough on it’s own.) Because little girls most certainly won’t understand the complexity of body type as it relates to clothing size.

    • Tis2

      Um. Isn’t Scooby Doo about solving shitty mysteries? Here’s a mystery to solve: why the fuck does Scooby Doo have to weigh in on weighing in? Can’t girls even watch a frigging dog cartoon without worrying about self-esteem/self-worth/sizes and all the other bullshit? Wow, this make me mad. (Pardon my language.)

      • Maria Guido

        You’re right. Swear away.

    • Rachel Sea

      Clearly no one there is listening. How deep of a cave must one live in to miss that women are fed up with having their value tied to their appearance? They can get away with it because kids’ movies gross well even if they suck, but this is why Frozen is a phenomenon and Scooby Doo is a relic.

    • Warren Pacholzuk

      Wow, if your kids self esteem is so radically affected by a Scooby Movie/Cartoon, you should be looking in the mirror for the problem. Since when is animation anything but fantasy and fiction?
      And since when do the makers of Scooby or any other fictional work have to make their works a teaching or learning moment?

      • journalgal2

        Because responsible parents are aware of messages that are in media our children might consume, no matter how innocuous. Thanks for coming.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        So you’re saying that Velma is really more your flavor, is that it, Warren?

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        No I am saying it is a fucking cartoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get over it.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        Oh, Warren. You’re so take charge. So manly. I can’t get you out of my head.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        Well it is alot better, than all you that want a Scooby Doo movie to teach your kids about self image.
        If you don’t like the movie, what it says, does or what ever, then don’t go.
        But please everyone stop whining about how Hollywood should be responsible for the messages it sends, in works of fiction.
        If you cannot seperate fact from fiction you are one sad sorry human with severe mental issues.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        In all honesty, I don’t think any of us want a Scooby Doo movie to teach our kids about self-image as much as we want a Scooby Doo movie that is just about mysteries and ghosts and haunted surf shops and crooked mayors getting masks pulled off their faces, and nothing at all about Daphne’s or anyone else’s body.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        Get a life………………it is a fucking cartoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        You must lead one sad existance if you need to take messages from cartoons.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        I have to say, Warren, I’m a little disappointed that you didn’t call me a moron. I hope you’re not losing your inherent Warren-ness.

      • coffeeandshoes

        Still going after the innocent alot? Come on, man!!

      • brebayVadgeBadge

        It’s not doing pictures anymore, apparently, and the new notifications suck.

      • coffeeandshoes

        I want to give this (but not you) a big thumbs-down. :( :( :(

      • http://twitter.com/jessbakescakes JessBakesCakes

        It’s not so much about a kid’s self esteem being FOREVER DAMAGED by one viewing of a cartoon. It’s the repeated messages in our media and our society that perpetuate this stuff. I think that we should all be more in tune to the messages we get from the media, and be smarter about what we watch. That includes parents deciding whether a message is appropriate for their kids to watch. And it definitely includes having a conversation with kids about what they watch.

        But it’s also probably a good idea to call out some not-so-great messages when we as consumers of media see them. We live in a society where body image is so much of what we consume every day. Possibly not for men, but most definitely for women. There have been tons of studies out there that say girls as young as 7 and maybe younger have tried to lose weight/are trying to lose weight. This isn’t the direct result of one Scooby Doo cartoon, but it’s the result of society as a whole repeating this message of “thin=beautiful”. And this Scooby Doo cartoon is one example of that.

        Again, I don’t think this is the worst offender. It’s just another in a flood of messages we get on the daily about body image as women. I’ve been stopped in the grocery store before by a random elderly woman who told me I shouldn’t buy ice cream because I will “get fat”. I’ve also been told by random cafeteria workers to “go purge that pizza before you come back for a new slice”. This message is everywhere. Body shaming is everywhere. And I’m not calling for a sweeping ban on these types of messages, I just think we need to be smarter about how we look at things.

        For the record, I’m a huge Scooby Doo fan. I just think we need to be critical viewers of everything we watch. That doesn’t mean we have to condemn every single thing we like and enjoy because it has one not-so-great message, but we need to be more aware of what we watch.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        Are you kidding me, someone told you to purge? I would been like, “Follow me into the bathroom lady, I’ll show you how fun bulimia is. Oh, and you better get a few more pizzas ready for when I get back.”
        Ugh, fuck people.

      • http://twitter.com/jessbakescakes JessBakesCakes

        I was doing an internship at an all-girls school cafeteria, and the cafeteria guy said that to me. I was like, “wow, great influence for young girls.”

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        Or you as the parent can take control, teach your kid properly, and not worry about a work of fiction.

      • http://twitter.com/jessbakescakes JessBakesCakes

        No matter what people teach their kids, they still hear and receive messages from other outlets. They are influenced by other people, media, etc. Kids don’t live in a bubble where they only listen to what their parents say.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        No, but kids unlike some adults apparently know that Scooby and the gang are cartoon characters.

      • whiteroses

        Because works of fiction make a difference. A friend’s daughter has been growing out her hair for two years so she can wear a braid and have her hair look like Katniss Everdeen. Kids absorb messages from places other than their parents knees, and it’s naive in the extreme to expect otherwise.

      • brebayVadgeBadge

        Yes, eating disorders are caused by parents not being controlling enough. Good call.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        If a child who is of the age to be enjoying Scooby Doo, has an eating disorder, then damn right it is the parent’s fault.

      • brebayVadgeBadge

        It’s a disease, Warren, not a character flaw. Seriously, isn’t their some angry-basement-man board you could migrate to…

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        Wow, for a strong woman you are the last person I thought would get her body image ideals from a cartoon character. Pretty sad.

      • brebayVadgeBadge

        Oh, yes, every time I comment I’m talking about myself. Thanks for getting it.

      • CMJ

        You really are just precious.

      • Dirty Old Lady Phillips

        Imma get a puppy, put a pink bow around her neck, and call her Warren. You know, a bitch. Because Warren loves bitches.

      • journalgal2

        Why do you care, then? If you’re not concerned, then no worries. Carry on about your business. Why does it matter to you what others think about the situation? It’s not affecting you, and you’ve clearly stated you don’t care.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        Because I am sick and tired of all you morons. Like I said, if you are honestly worried that your daughter will be affected by this, then you are one shitty assed mom, that should not be around kids, let alone raising any.

      • C.J.

        If you are so sick and tired of us morons why do you keep coming back here? If you don’t like this site’s content and commenters so much don’t come back. Everyone who doesn’t agree with you isn’t a moron. Contrary to what you think you are not perfect and you don’t know everything. Your life must be very sad if you have to spend this much time on mommy blogs disagreeing with everyone and being hostile. You have no idea how to discuss and share ideas.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        I do not disagree with everyone, only when they are pathetically whining and are wrong. Like you usually are.

      • C.J.

        Just because you think we are pathetically wining and wrong doesn’t make it true. If you ever actually gave an intelligent argument people would be more apt to listen to you.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        On this topic, none of you have given a rational argument. You are all blaming a fucking cartoon for bad body image. That makes you all fucking lunatics, that really should not be raising kids.

      • C.J.

        I wasn’t arguing with you on this topic. I read many rational arguments in the replies back to you. You are just too narrow minded to consider them and discuss them intelligently.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        Noone can make a rational point on this. It is a kids cartoon. Nothing more. It is not an educational movie, it is a cartoon. If someone’s kid is going to pattern their live and body after a cartoon character, then those parents have FAILED.

      • C.J.

        Thanks for proving my point that you are too narrow minded to consider and discuss any arguments. Nobody is saying a kid is going to pattern their life and body after a cartoon character. These kinds of messages are everywhere and they really shouldn’t be.

      • whiteroses

        Thanks for your perspective- now we can all go back in time and not have sex! Because Warren says we shouldn’t be raising kids! I mean, never mind the countless scientific studies that examine the effect of media on kids- you guys, we’re just crap parents because we don’t want shitty messages being passed along to our children via extremely persuasive media forms!

      • journalgal2

        Well, you sure showed me.

        (Backs away from creepy dude stalking website for moms …).

      • whiteroses

        Nobody’s forcing you to stay, right?

      • Coffee&Cats

        The issue is that these harmful messages are always directed at women/girls. Growing up my biggest fear was gaining weight, even of it was only 5 pounds. This is a huge problem that we as a society need to fix because it is truly a harmful message to internalize. You don’t think it’s a big deal because you’re a man. It doesn’t fucking concern you. In other words, your male privilege is showing, check it.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        This was not a message, not a teaching moment. It was a Scooby Doo fucking movie. If you take messages from cartoons, you are one sorry ass person.

      • Coffee&Cats

        Well you hang out on a feminist site just to be a mediocre troll. You obviously have me beat at being a “sorry ass person”. See? I can be an asshole too.

      • Warren Pacholzuk

        Anyone that is willing to blame a cartoon for sending bad body image messages is beyond sorry and into completely pathetic.

    • ILoveJellybeans

      Size 8????? Really??? Im a 12 on the bottom and 14/16 on the top (big boobs), and that is nowhere near a size 8.
      I think American sizes must be different to UK sizes though, I have never met anyone who is a size 2, and to me, normal size Daphne would probably be a size 8.

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    • Coffee&Cats

      I’m a size 12, so according to the Scooby Doo producers I must be a whale….

    • Ellie

      That’s not even close to a size 8! I’m a size 10-12 and Daphne is twice my size or more after her “curse”. Looks more like a 24-28 to me.

    • C.J.

      I wear a size 8 and I am 5′ 6″. I have people tell me they think I am too skinny. So now young girls will think the size I am is too fat. That is not a very good message to send.

    • Dwayne Myra Butler Mouton

      What is not healthy for our kids is teaching them being fat is ok.

    • Alexandra

      Um, I’m an “American” size 8 and I look more like the “before” daphne. just saying their cartoon depiction is a bit off…