• Wed, Jul 30 - 9:00 am ET

Restaurants That Ban Crying Babies Should Ban Annoying Adults, Too

A popular tourist attraction on Old Fisherman’s Wharf in Monterey, California has offended some parents by posting signs prohibiting crying babies, or children making any loud sounds at all. I think they are on to something - but why stop at babies? Why not make a laundry list of all the annoying things the rest of humanity does, too?

Old Fisherman’s Grotto proudly displays a sign that lets customers know they do not have high chairs or booster seats and will not allow strollers in the door. The sign also says “Children crying or making loud noises are a distraction to other diners and as such are not allowed in the dining room.” Fair enough. Crying children are annoying. But what about the rest of humanity? Everyone is annoying. We need a bigger sign.

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I’d totally go to this restaurant. Parents who don’t do anything about their unhappy children in restaurants are the worst. I’m just not sure that they need to be singled out. I would also go to the restaurant that proudly displayed this sign:

No pungent perfume that will disrupt another diner’s ability to enjoy their meal.

No loud talking on cell phones about whatever business deal you are working on that nobody cares about.

No sitting on the same side of the booth and making out – that’s just gross.

No groups of loud dudes who say things like “Broheim” and high five each other.

No bachelorette parties.

Yes, babies are annoying, but everyone is annoying. I think it’s high time we start calling out adults too – and not just the ones who have decided to populate the earth with their loud spawn. The person pointing at laughing at the “no kids allowed” sign may be the most annoying person in the restaurant.

Basically – lets just start posting signs everywhere making everyone feel uncomfortable. Why not?

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  • Ursi

    I totally see your point.

    I actually think it would be more effective if the restaurants were to post a sign that people must take their children outside if they begin to scream or cry or disrupt other diners. I totally see where parents are coming from if they want their children to learn to behave in a restaurant and I think some kids are just better in public and can go to even fancy places and behave. Give the little ones a chance. I would be happy to patronize an establishment where quiet kids could eat in the dining room.

    I do think restaurants should be a little more pro-active about policing their diners. I mean, here in the US, with the customer is always right mentality you see people getting away with murder in public, being loud and rude, harassing waitstaff. In some countries I’ve traveled to you can be asked to leave for the type misbehaving that a lot of restaurants here would put up with indefinitely. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to see restaurants become intolerably stuffy or anything, I just think it would be nice if staff could be a bit more forward about not putting up with crap without risking their jobs.

    • Spongeworthy

      I would LOVE to see assholes ejected from restaurants. Crying kids and babies, eh yea if the parents aren’t doing anything about it, say something I guess. But I’d much rather see a place stand up for it’s waitstaff against the shithead on a power trip complaining about she didn’t bring him the right order (hint: she did, you just are too stupid to know what beef carpaccio is and ordered it anyway).

    • AE Vorro

      Yes!!!!

    • Melissa

      YES! Way back in the day when my husband was waiting tables he got fired for refusing to continue to serve alcohol to a table of dudebros who were insanely drunk and obnoxious. No standing up for waitstaff against shitheads there.

    • Spongeworthy

      That’s so stupid. If one of those guys drove drunk and killed someone, the restaurant could have been sued. You’d think that would be a good enough reason to cut someone off.

    • Melissa

      This particular restaurant chain makes its servers take a “responsible alcohol service” online course every six months, and I believe it releases the restaurant from liability in the case of over-serving alcohol. So the douchebag manager who fired my husband had no desire to cut off the drunk table. It was ridiculous.

    • Airbones

      It does not release the restaurant from liability. That’s a common misconception in dram shop states.

    • Melissa

      Oh, OK. There must some advantage for the restaurant because they are adamant against allowing anyone to serve alcohol without this “certification”, even though the managers didn’t appear to care at all about over-serving (for the record, I waited tables there too)–it was repeatedly a problem.

    • Airbones

      My understanding based on 10 years of doing yearly RAMP and TiPS is that it lowers the employer’s insurance premiums and makes it easier for the employer to place more liability onto the individual server, but does not limit total liability.

    • Bethany Ramos

      Real classy joint… ;)

    • Melissa

      Hahaha, the memories! :-) Ah, C’rabbs. That place can burn in hell.

  • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

    Loud cell phone talkers are The Worst. Crying babies are no fun either but they don’t know any better.

    • ASG

      I recently returned to the U.S. after living in Japan. In Japan it is considered rude to be talking on your phone out in public. I will take a crying baby over rude asshole on the phone anyday

    • AE Vorro

      Ditto!

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      It is especially annoying when they do it in small spaces, like an elevator, or quiet spaces, like the waiting room at the hospital.

    • JJ

      I love when obnoxious women come in the ladies room, while people are using the wash room obviously, and have loud cell phone conversations in there. Oh I love flushing the toilet many times, turning on the hand dryer and the tap just to mess with the conversation. I’m sorry did me using the wash room and cleaning my hands after interrupt your conversation that was so important you had to do it the whole time your in here. I feel sooo bad. NOT. Get out of here bitch if you want to talk on the phone in a public bathroom about trivial non emergency things that can wait till your not near people doing their business. Plus I don’t want to talk on the phone with someone when they are on the toilet anyway please call me back later when your done thanks.

    • Shea

      Maybe it’s just me, but I find loud cell phone talkers easier to tune out than crying children. I think it’s because kids are high-pitched, and the average adult talking on their phone isn’t. Don’t get me wrong, they’re both annoying, but a kid crying in an enclosed space is like knives in my brain, whereas an obnoxious dude in a suit yelling into his cell phone about the stock market is merely annoying.

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      The sound itself doesn’t annoy me as much as the total lack of consideration for others, really. That’s why the cell phone people bug me more – they are old enough to know that they are being inconsiderate and disruptive. I will say though that while I don’t get annoyed at babies, I do get annoyed at the parents of babies who just tune them out and pretend like the kid isn’t screaming and disturbing other people.

    • Mystik Spiral

      Sometimes I feel like I’m the only person who feels this way about crying babies/children! I just. Can’t. Handle. That. Sound. It’s one of the biggest reasons why I never had kids. Knives in my brain, indeed.

    • Maria Guido

      For the really loud ones, I’m sometimes convinced that they are having fake conversations to sound important.

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      That or they don’t know that cell phone technology has improved drastically since the Star Tac came out.

    • Ursi

      I misread this as Star Trek and I was nodding enthusiastically for a moment.

    • Lilly

      they are definitely doing it to pretend they are cooler than they are — I work on Bay st (Canada’s Wall St) so many of the people there are actual big deals but the only ones talking loudly are the people that are lowest on the food chain — wannabe equity traders are the worst. I love secretly laughing because they sound so idiotic and they totally forget that loose lips sink ships (and get you fired or not hired) and that you don’t know who the people around are or where they work.

    • K.

      I hate both and IMHO, neither is okay to have in a restaurant (unless it’s like Chuck E Cheese or noon on Tuesday in the Downtown Starbucks or something).

      Yes, babies don’t know any better, but their parents should, and if the kid is crying/screaming/out of control, they take them outside and either calm them down or if they can’t, leave.

      Yes, someone might need to answer a cell phone (it’s the babysitter; their mother’s sick; they’re supposed to get an update on a work thing), but if they can’t resolve whatever it is in 60 seconds, they should excuse themselves and talk outside.

  • Elyne

    I don’t know if these exist yet, but how about creating a restaurant for children and parents alone? No childless folks allowed. Problems solved I think.

    • sudden_valley

      I’m even more in favor of creating special movie showings for adults only (with booze!) and specific flights or plane sections designated “no children.” I would absolutely pay more to be guaranteed not to sit next to any kids on a flight–I don’t understand why airlines aren’t doing this yet.

    • Justme

      The theater close to our house has adult movie theaters.

      I mean, theaters that show movies to which only adults can by tickets. And there is booze involved.

    • sudden_valley
    • keelhaulrose

      The movie theater near us with the bar is the best. The only time it wasn’t was when we went to see the Hunger Games, and it felt sorry of like I was missing the point of the movie by sitting in a reclining chair with good food and a glass of wine.

    • Justme

      We started going to the one near our house because it was less time out of the house and away from the baby. (I know, I know…weird.)

    • Lilly

      At a few of the theaters where I live they have 18+ only movie showings with booze — they are awesome.
      http://www.cineplex.com/Theatres/VIP

      They also have showings for parent and tots:
      http://www.cineplex.com/Theatres/StarsAndStrollers?cmpid=MainSubNavEN_stars-and-strollers

      We also have a few coffee shops / cafes that are targeting children — with play spaces (http://www.lilbeanandgreen.com/)

    • http://www.twitter.com/ohladyjayne allisonjayne

      There are a few movie theatres that serve booze where I live. The only problem is the whole peeing factor.

    • Justme

      I think that’s called Chuck E Cheese, also known as Hell On Earth.

    • sudden_valley

      Good lord, have you ever had to go to a kid’s birthday party there as an adult? They really need to sell alcohol.

    • Justme

      We’ve gone to two in my daughter’s three years here on the planet and my husband and I have already vowed, “no CEC birthday parties.” I will buy her a sparkly purple unicorn before I take her there for her birthday.

    • wispy

      I have never been to a CEC but my daughter has started singing the commercial all the time now and is begging to go. I’m trying to put it off as long as possible.

    • http://www.thislemonyogurt.com/ Amanda

      You can put it off forever. I’ve never been to a Chuck E Cheese in my entire 31 years of life, and only after having kids did I find out that it wasn’t just because I never got invited to a party there or because we were poor. It was because my mom hated the whole idea of the place and she even led me to believe that there may have been invites that she sneakily declined just to prevent us from ever drinking the CEC kool-aid.

      I’ve told my husband that our children will be raised the same way, with mouse-free childhoods, and I don’t care if that DOES make me a snob.

    • wispy

      haha! I actually did hide a CEC invite from my daughter’s preschool friend last year :( I felt horrible about it!

    • 2Well

      I’ve been to one Chuck E Cheese in my life, and it sold wine and beer.

    • sudden_valley

      Glad to know that wine and beer does exist at CEC. I had to attend a birthday party at a knockoff CEC, and it did not. I’ve already told my husband that our children’s parties are his domain.

    • Justme

      Also….they do sell alcohol and as a result, lots of fights at Chuck E Cheese.

      http://www.vice.com/read/why-do-people-keep-getting-in-to-fights-at-chuck-e-cheeses

    • https://twitter.com/perfctlyflawd1 JenH1986

      I refuse to go to kid’s parties there for that reason. We don’t have kids 1-not being a creeper in kid play area with no kids 2-why the hell do I want to deal with that? I’ll send a gift.

    • Em

      Ours does- wine or beer, LOL.

    • keelhaulrose

      McDonald’s play places, too. You know this Maury episodes with the teens who want to be mothers? Instead of giving them a baby give them a crazy three year old and force them to take the kid to a McDonald’s play place. Fuck that, I’ve driven to the next exit on road trips to avoid those McDonald’s (both without my kids in the car and with).

    • Linzon

      I am very glad my city does not have one of these.

    • Sailor Fruitpunch

      You know you’ve become an adult the day you walk into CEC and realize just how dirty it is.

    • Justme

      According to that logic…I was never a child.

    • sudden_valley

      Not all parents and kids are bad though, so you shouldn’t banish them to the same restaurant that the shitty parents and kids eat at :)

    • Elyne

      Good point. But how can we know the difference? That one would prolly be difficult to find out before they are in the restaurant.

    • AE Vorro

      Ugh. What? Why are childless people the problem? You don’t know that the person who posted that sign was childless – and parents are far more likely to judge other parents than the childless. Leave us out of this, please – this sign has NOTHING to do with us.

    • Elyne

      Wow- first i wasn’t talking about the sign. I’ve just said there should be restaurants for kids and their parents alone. Also i’m childless myself. I disn’t mean to offend anyone i apologise if i did.

    • AE Vorro

      Sorry! I must have misread or misinterpretted it… not done with my coffee!

    • Kelly

      I’d rather die than ever eat there and I’m a parent.

  • sudden_valley

    Eh, crying babies don’t really bother me (except on planes OMFG). The crying is a monotonous sound that I can tune out. On the other hand, I HATE toddlers who are allowed to run all over the restaurant (or dr’s office and kick my chair and scream as happened to me on Monday), and I hate obnoxious teenagers. Man, I’m grumpy today. Good article to get the rage flowing, Maria!

    • noodlestein’s danger tits

      See on planes I feel like it’s not a big deal for me, because music. Restaurants are a little dicier, but I don’t really have a problem with crying babies to a point. Once it’s been like twenty minutes or more, though, they need to get the kid out of there. Not even for my sake, but if that baby is screaming and crying for twenty plus minutes, clearly what you’re doing is not working, and for their sake, you need to try something else, somewhere else. But I’m with you on the unruly toddlers thing. I find them to be much, much more annoying when parents just let them do as they will. I had a toddler repeatedly pull my hair from the other side of the booth one time, while his mother weakly said over and over “don’t do that, honey; it’s not nice.” That’s WAY worse.

    • guest

      Oh lawd I’d be asking for a different table…for me or for them asap. I don’t get why people aren’t embarassed enough to talk to the other person “Hey sorry my kid is being such a jerk, I’m going to take them away from here”. We had a guy whose 8yr old tried to throw a wadded up piece of paper at his dad’s face (nice enough) but it ended up going way over and hitting our table. The dad was hissing at the kid but I don’t know why he didn’t just turn around and say “omg, so sorry, (kid’s name) apologize”. Like I see you hissing, you see me staring at you, lets not pretend like it didn’t happen.

    • noodlestein’s danger tits

      Absolutely! I get that parents can be embarassed, but to my mind, it’s more embarassing not to make your child (or you, on that under 2yo child’s behalf) apologize. Then I say, no problem, and we all move on. It just doesn’t seem that complicated to me.

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      An apology will usually go a long way with most people. It always surprises me that more people don’t just say “Hey, I know we’re being a pain and inconveniencing you because ____. I’m sorry about that! We’re trying to get it under control.”

    • noodlestein’s danger tits

      Yep! Every time I’ve been with a friend whose kid is being, well, shitty, they have always apologized to anyone it has affected, and people are SUPER gracious about it. I think everyone just wants to know that you’re thinking about others, you know? It’s not the child, but the incosideration that people have a problem with. Same goes for drunk, loud cell phone talking, flat out obnoxious adults.

    • Blueathena623

      I think apologies make ppl feel better because it also means the parent acknowledges the behaviour and aren’t oblivious. Based on my (limited) life experience, ppl will object to the smallest stuff if they think parents ARE NOT “parenting” their kids, but they will also forgive some huge stuff if they think parents ARE trying to “parent”

  • Spongeworthy

    Oh god, I hate the same-side sitters in the booth SO MUCH. Like, an irrational level of hate, for something so trivial that doesn’t affect me in the slightest. If it’s just the two of you in a booth, sit across from one another, weirdos!

    • Justme

      My daughter likes to do that when we go out to eat just the two of us. It creeps me out. I need someone across the booth from me!

    • keelhaulrose

      Mine, too. It’s like I finally have the opportunity to eat without a kid elbow in my ribs, and it’s snatched away from me. Get on your side, child!

    • Justme

      No lie! We had to institute a “no touching” rule at dinner.

    • Spongeworthy

      Ha! My kid is always ok with sitting across from me. More room for him to spread out.

    • Ursi

      Seriously. You can sit next to each other at home. Weirdos.

    • Ezzy666

      Not if your parents have a rule against it.

    • GPMeg

      But isn’t that what the back row at the worst movie at the theater is for?

    • Valerie

      I feel this way for people who must back into a parking spot. Making other cars wait to go while they position themselves juuuust right. #rage

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      Valerie, backing into a spot is A Thing in the military. It is annoying as heck to wait on a long line of people backing their cars into a spot at the office.

    • ted3553

      while I feel for people waiting on me, my work requires it for all work vehicles and we drive them all the time (not just work hours). It tends to be a requirement for a lot of industrial jobs who deal with safe driving practices or emergency practices so you can exit quickly.

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      Oh, I totally get that. I get annoyed because I work in an office as do the soldiers here. They aren’t driving government vehicles, just their own cars and whatnot. It is a teasing point for me because they refer to it as “combat parking” because, in the event that something goes down, you obviously need to be able to get out as quickly as possible. Parking like that at the office makes me wonder if they are anticipating a Burger King emergency. :) (My husband is a soldier so I’m not hating)

    • Spongeworthy

      LOL, my dad is the one backing into a parking spit. It drives my mom CRAZY.

    • Maria Guido

      OMG. The worst.

    • zoiperry

      I just got paid $7500 working off my computer this month. And if you think that’s cool, my friend has twin toddlers and made over $8k her first month. It feels so good making so much money when other people have to work for so much less. This is what I do,

      ➜➜➜➜➜➜ PAYRAP.COM

    • Maria Guido

      I have an irrational hatred of this.

    • Spongeworthy

      This thread makes me feel better knowing it’s not just me and my husband to mutter to each other in restaurants “FFS just sit across from one other weirdos.”

    • Maria Guido

      I totally destroyed the mood on one of mine and my man’s first dates when he sat next to me like that (it was a table for two, so it was weird) and I said, “please don’t do that.” haha

    • Spongeworthy

      Hey, you have to set boundaries early on in the relationship!

    • Ursi

      You are far more tactful than I would have been. I’d probably have done some awkward sliding under the table and up onto the opposite booth and tried to play it off like nothing weird was happening.

    • guest

      Well, for those of us who are hearing-impaired, sometimes it’s the only way to actually hear the other person talking. Now I get to feel even more awkward knowing that there are people hating me just for trying to have a conversation with my husband that I can hear. Great.

    • Spongeworthy

      Did I not state that it’s an irrational thing on my part? Do you not have any pet peeves that make no sense? I’m sure I irritate someone, somewhere, with something that I do in public.
      Trust me, I’m not going to come to your table and yell at you. I’m not going to give you the stink eye. I really don’t care what you do. Live your life.

    • guest

      Okay, but since you called people who do that “weirdos” I thought perhaps it was worth pointing out that people sometimes do this for a reason, i.e., due to a disability. *shrug* Generally this website seems to be pretty tolerant, so I’m a little surprised that one of its posters is okay calling someone a weirdo for accommodating their disability.

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      But the thing that Spongeworthy is commenting on isn’t about people accomodating disabilities. It is to you because that is why you sit next to your husband. For most people though, it isn’t. It’s just them wanting to be super close at the table, which is what she is talking about. You are projecting a bit. If someone had said “I really find people who have a hearing disability sitting next to someone at the table weird”, you’d have a point. A HUGE point and I don’t think anyone commenting here would have defended a statement like that.

    • Melissa

      When Bethany and I were waiting tables together, we called the same-side booth sitters “tigers in love”, after a cheesy tiger poster she and her roommate had hanging up in their apartment. It looked something like this:http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/walkalone3/Decorated%20images/tigers-1.gif

      Now whenever I see this happening in restaurants I think of tigers in love, but mostly I MISS BETHANY! :-(

    • Bethany Ramos

      I MISS YOU!!!! where on earth did you find this? Omg this made me soooo happy.

    • Melissa

      Google image search for tigers in love, naturally :-) I think the poster had white tigers though, right? Meeeemories!

    • Bethany Ramos

      Yes and it looked pretty Lisa Frank-style, if memory serves. Hahahaha.

    • K2

      Everyone everywhere has been called a ‘weirdo’ for something that maybe they do for what they feel is a very important reason.. Let’s not all get upset over little things.. I hate when people chew with their mouth open.. I have been told that some can’t help it (?) However I’m sure most I see CAN help it and are just obnoxious.. It’s a pet peeve, I don’t stop finding it irksome just because they might have a problem with their jaw.. (I have misophonia.. I literally can’t hear these kinds of sounds without feeling really, really uncomfortable).

    • Ursi

      whaaa?? No. We’re calling the weirdos, weirdos, for sitting next to one another like a couple of weirdos.

      Obviously if you’re disabled no one is going to judge how you sit. Come on. Why go to the worst possible interpretation?

    • guest

      I’m with you! The nature of my hearing impairment makes it easier when I can sit across and read lips and expressions a little bit better. You don’t need to feel more awkward. The people who care enough how other people sit to whine about it are the ones who should feel embarrassed.

    • Em

      Sit where you want- in fact, savor the feeling that something so innocuous is spoiling their anal day.

    • Melissa

      If I was having an “anal day”, it would already be spoiled.

    • Spongeworthy

      I am wondering now if anal day is a specific day of the week the way hump day is Wednesday.

    • Melissa

      It’s Monday. Has to be Monday.

    • Spongeworthy

      Good call. “A case of the Mondays” indeed.

    • ted3553

      my mother has reduced hearing and would choose to sit closer to me as well (although we haven’t sat on the same side of a booth) but I guess I thought of it as not really caring if people thought we are weirdos. What a complete stranger thinks about me at a restaurant has no bearing on my life. We all make snap judgements on people all the time and it’s mostly harmless. I think people who sit on the same side of a booth are silly and I judge them but it’s not like I yell at them about it and they are completely ok to do it even if they simply do it because they want to.

    • Em

      My husband and haven’t done this, but I’m going to make sure we do from this point forward, just to annoy those who have this irrational feeling toward an innocuous seating arrangement. I assure you, we don’t “make-out” there either, LOL.

    • Spongeworthy

      Haha, do it AND make out!! Double threat.
      Like I said, it’s completely irrational on my part. For whatever reason it just irritates me. But I’d never say anything to anyone about it. I’m not an animal!

    • noodlestein’s danger tits

      Make sure to feed each other, too! Yuck.

    • ted3553

      If I’m going to have a conversation with my husband at dinner, I don’t want to have my lips rubbing his nose while we talk. I like my personal space too much to sit right next to him in a booth. So weird. I grew up in a small town and hate seeing people sitting next to each other in a truck with a bench seat. So dumb as well.

    • Spongeworthy

      Yea, I like my space. And I’m lazy and don’t want to turn my head every time I have to say something :)

    • http://batman-news.com Greta Young

      Haha, I am one of those weirdos who likes sitting on the same side of the booth… not for making out or mutual feeding or weird shit couples should do not in a public restaurant, but so we can people-watch the same things, talk closely, and enjoy a good view if one side of the booth is better than the other (often the case). There are a few restaurants near me that have lounge-style seating with couches and coffee tables available as well as standard tables, which I like; I enjoy the cozy/comfy vibe. Sometimes sitting one across from another just feels formal and awkward, like an interview or interrogation.

    • Spongeworthy

      If it’s like a lounge or a bar at night, and we’re their for cocktails only, then I don’t mind sitting together. But if it’s a booth or a table, for a full meal, I just prefer sitting across. Makes it easier to talk. And like I said, I like my space while eating :)

  • Co-Co22

    I am a mother of 13 year old twins. Before I had kids, I would try to go to places where kids typically were not, I did not want them to ruin my meal by being loud, crying and having parents who have this unfulfilled need for attention because their kids are accessories and attention seekers. I was lucky enough to live in a state where children could not be in a bar area so it was always safe to ask to be seated in a bar area.

    Because of this attitude, after having kids, I believe I was heightened to the behavior of my kids in restaurants. I did not want them to ruin anyone’s meal, specifically mine. My husband and I left before receiving our food on many occasions due to a cranky twin. Instead, what we did was seek out establishments that tend to be loud, fast paced and visually stimulating (a Texas steak house type place). Just because I have kids does not mean that I have the right to ruin anyone’s night out. Some people may even pay for sitters to go out only to hear a fussy kid. Do we take them to nice places now? Absolutely, but they know how to act and know my expectations are of them.

    My advice, spring for a sitter or don’t go. Or, take them to appropriate places for kids. AND when you do take your kids out, clean up after them! It is not a server’s responsibility to clean up crap that your kid threw on the floor because he was bored and shouldn’t have been in the place to begin with because you have been sitting too long!!

    • LiLi

      I am totally with you. Pre and post kid I am hyper aware of places that seem baby friendly. There’s a burger joint 10 minutes away from my house that has a great burger and craft beer selection, has “dull roar” levels of noise, and I have breastfed at with no issues. When I decide I want to go out with the kiddo that’s my preferred spot. I don’t take him to places that aren’t family friendly/casual chain.

      The attitude on everyone should be “I don’t want to ruin someone else’s night out” not “Well you’re not calling out jerks on cell phones so I should be allowed to bring my screaming baby in hear” Everyone should strive to not be an asshole.

    • Blueathena623

      “Everyone should strive to not be an asshole”
      Perfect.

    • ted3553

      totally agree. I have a 2 year old so he doesn’t sit still for more than 1 minute at a time and I would prefer to enjoy my meal so I’d rather take him to a family restaurant than a fancy one where I’m on edge because I’m concerned about affecting other’s experiences. My son will learn to behave in a restaurant but he’s still just 2 so he’s not perfect and I’d rather not stress myself or husband out by trying to have him do something he’s just not ready for. I save the nice places for just adults and I can relax and enjoy them. It’s just not a big deal to me to only take the little one to family style restaurants and when I go to the nice ones, I appreciate others who do the same

    • Kat

      TOTALLY. When we go out (which, with a 10 month old, it’s fairly rare) we look for what the biz calls “fast casual.” No long waits for food, relatively loud/family friendly atmosphere, easy escape route if he flips out. If we know we’re going out, I’ll call ahead to make sure they have high chairs. Otherwise, he can go to a grandma for the night or — we just don’t go. He has the attention span of a fruit fly right now, this kid does not want and cannot stand to be at a fancy restaurant for an hour.

      And yes — from a former server, please don’t let your kid destroy the table/booth. Some poor server or busser has to clean that crap up. A few puffs on the floor? NBD. But sugar and sugar packets everywhere? UGH.

    • Co-Co22

      That is funny Kat! I would always crawl on the floor and pick up all of the stuff my kids dropped on the floor!

    • Neli42

      I had a server stop me from cleaning up after my kids once, insisting that it was what he was paid to do. He earned himself a nice fat tip.

  • https://twitter.com/perfctlyflawd1 JenH1986

    Give me a screaming baby over a drunken asshole any day of the week.

    • AE Vorro

      Yes x 1 million.

  • ASG

    But do they have a kids menu? I go by the philosphy that if they have a kids menu, I will bring my kid

    • Linzon

      Given that under the ‘menu’ section on their website it has a link titled ‘children’s policy’ which loads a page with that sign, I think it’s safe to say they don’t have a kids menu.

  • wispy

    Screaming babies really don’t bother me, I mainly just feel bad for the parents. What I hate are the idiots on planes who talk AS LOUDLY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN and try to get the whole plane involved in the conversation and if you don’t acknowledge them they talk even louder in your direction.

    • Ursi

      who does that!?

    • wispy

      Psychos!

  • Frannie

    I am all for child-free restaurants. When DH and I do get a rare date night, the last thing we want to do is go to a noisy place full of other people’s kids. However, if you are at all familiar with the location of this restaurant, this just seems like a bad call. Old Fisherman’s Wharf is a very family-friendly touristy area with tons of souvenir shops and the Monterey Bay Aquarium, which is full of kids. I understand the idea, but they’re probably in the worst location ever for this type of rule. It would basically be like putting the same kind of restaurant in Disney World.

    • LiLi

      I went to their website and it looked a little upscale, but I could be wrong. Also, they aren’t banning kids, they are banning very young and disruptive kids. If your child can behave and doesn’t need a booster seat there seems to be nothing stopping you from bring in an older child (my kid is only 4 mo old so I have no idea when kids don’t need booster seats at the table anymore lol, but I assume by 6 or 7?)

      And, while not in the parks, Disney World does indeed have 1 on property restaurant where they “strongly suggest” that you don’t bring children under the age of 10, Victoria & Albert’s in the Grand Floridian. Your multi course tasting dinner with wine pairing will run $200+ a head, and it has no children’s menu.

    • Frannie

      Good points. I would consider it child free only because my kids are so unpredictable, I couldn’t guarantee any of those behaviors wouldn’t happen at any given time. If they’re going to be sticklers about their rules, it’s probably better to not risk going unless you have some of those super mature, mini-adult kids. I’d be afraid of being asked to leave. I guess you just have to know your kids to know if it’s worth attempting.

  • pickledpants

    I went to a restaurant once and the septuagenarian at the next table proceeded to test out every ring tone that came with his phone, at full volume.
    KILL ME NOW.
    Please talk to your Nana about cell phone etiquette – that is my PSA for the day.

    • wispy

      lolol

    • Bleu Cheese Bewbs

      Ring Tone DJs are pretty annoying too, but I;d give the old dude a pass because perhaps he was hard of hearing.

    • pickledpants

      Nope. Test your ring tones in the privacy of your own home please.

    • BexleyS

      In the past couple of years I’ve been to 2 Michelin starred restaurants where my incredibly expensive (and therefore incredibly special) meals have been ruined by elderly women both complaining loudly and at length about every single thing… For hours. The 2nd time I had to go over and tell her that my meal was being ruined by her. I’m still angry about it now! I’d listen to a crying baby over that any day. At least the baby can’t help it. Maybe the (complaining) elderly should also be banned from restaurants : )

  • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

    I get where the restaurant is coming from. If you have a crying baby, they are a lot harder to eject than a drunk or other obnoxious adult. People have a soft spot for babies, and ejecting one is quite likely to land your establishment on the news.

    I know it sucks when oblivious parents ruin it, but apparently this establishment had enough cause to do something that will probably affect their bottom line a bit. It takes a lot to make a business come to an extreme.

    • SarahJesness

      Pretty much. It’s a lot harder in general to even just say something. Complaining about a child’s poor behavior is seen as criticizing the parents and their parenting style, a big no-no these days.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Wicked Prophet Kay Sue

      Yeah, I totally get why the restaurant felt like they needed to do it. I honestly don’t blame them in the slightest.

  • Andrea

    lol I would pay EXTRA to go there! And I am a mother of two

  • amyp

    The difference is, I have NO PROBLEM telling off the loud annoying adult in the restaurant or asking them to be quiet. If I try that with your special snowflake there would be an article with my pictures being shared all over facebook by outraged mommies talking about the big bad mean lady who tells little kids not to run around at a restaurants and killing their child’s joy in life.

    • Shadow

      I like you.

    • sudden_valley

      I tried that with two kids sitting behind me in a movie theater once, and they said, “You’re not my parent, we don’t have to listen to you.” My bf at the time was embarrassed, but we broke up not long after, which may have had something to do with this incident, and the fact that the movie he dragged me to see was Transformers.

    • Ursi

      I think Transformers must be the real reason. I got dragged to see that opening day and there was a teenage boy there bragging about having seen it 3 times that day already and I wanted to call his parents and tell them how disappointed I was in their son.

  • guest

    This is why I eat at home. If it isn’t some idiot’s little brat running around, it is someone being rude, or it is a loud talker. I prefer the carside to go or pickup option :-D

  • Amber Starr

    What I don’t get is that *loud* children and babies are not allowed in the restaurant, which I get and totally stand behind, but yet they don’t allow or provide comfortable seating for the well-behaved kids either…. So, really, little kids and babies are not welcome at all, regardless of how well-behaved they are. Why not just be 100% honest about it?

  • Jen

    As someone who used to work as a hostess in a family-friendly restaurant, far too many parents don’t actually parent their kids once they sit down. There are wonderful people who do, but the vast majority of people I have seen pretty much ignore their kids in the restaurant to the detriment of everyone else. I cannot tell you the number of times I chased a kid into the parking lot, found them wandering around the dining room, had parents insist on placing a highchair in an unsafe place so they could have the booth (even if the servers have no space to get around them) or just generally having kids underfoot, and most of the time the parents don’t even notice they are gone. I vividly remember pulling a crawling baby out from behind the bar and literally going from table to table asking ‘Is this child yours?’ before I found the parents. Worst part was, they turned around and started yelling at his toddler sister for not ‘watching’ her brother at the toy chest. I was 17 and horrified.

  • gUEST

    I’m the mom of a toddler and I am SO thankful for the restaurants and gastropubs and breweries we frequent that are welcoming to kids. Providing crayons, kids’ menus, high chairs, and most importantly just having a smile about it. (Of course, we in turn are careful to be respectful).

    That said, it’s perfectly fine with me if some places choose not to. And if they make that clear with a sign like this, rather than having me sit down unsure and feeling out of place and uncomfortable, all the better.

    I think it’s great when there are lots of different options.

  • Blueathena623

    The difference is that we as humans have evolved to be alert and feel uncomfortable by the sound of crying babies. It’s seriously a biological thing, and we are generally built with the inability to filter these sounds out, hence the reason they are more annoying than drunks and loud talkers. That being said, cell phone talkers are very disruptive because our brains try to fill in the other half of the conversation, so we have trouble filtering those noises out too.

  • Kelly

    I’ve never been in a restaurant that wouldn’t remove an adult for inappropriate behavior.

    But I don’t eat in disgusting, anything goes shit holes either. Perhaps that’s the difference.

    • http://confessionsofamodernswampwitch.weebly.com/ Jezebeelzebub

      I do. There’s a place here called the H&O and the food is…. so good. It is so good. Don’t look around too hard, though.

    • Ursi

      haha! A friend once took us to this Indian restaurant and someone had a freakout afterwards because there was a cockroach on the wall. IDGAF. Just avoid the cockroach. Food was AMAAAAZING.

  • GPMeg

    Sooooo, I can understand if you’re a Michelin 5 Star Restaurant with an atmosphere to maintain and snooty clientele, but at Fisherman’s Frickin Wharf? Seriously? It’s like the guy who told me to keep my kid quiet at family breakfast spot in East Atlanta. A) My godson was 3 at the time and a royal pain, B) if you want a quiet breakfast, eat on your back deck. Humanity exists.

    I would also totally eat at whatever restaurant has Maria’s additions…

    GET OVER YOURSELF, FISHERMAN’S WHARF!

    • Jenny

      Your “royal pain” of a godson is your problem. And, no, people shouldn’t be forced at home just to avoid unholy terrors in public.

      For shame.

    • meteor_Whoricorn_echo

      If your godson is ruining other people’s dinner, and you’re doing nothing about it, be prepared for the day when some desperate customer upends their plate on your head. I know I would.

    • GPMeg

      Le me clarify — I was in the midst of trying to calm him down when a guy came up and verbally accosted me. The restaurant is the type that has high chairs, booster seats, crayons, and a big sign that says “FAMILIES WELCOME!” so, yes, I do think he can get over himself. There are other brunch/breakfast spots in the area where he could steer clear of kids and the people trying to appease them.

    • meteor_Whoricorn_echo

      Manners shouldn’t magically disappear just because you’re eating in a family-friendly place. Somehow I sat and ate quietly even at a McDonalds, instead of running around and screaming, because my parents told me that a food court is a place for eating, not a playground.

    • GPMeg

      Well bully for you. Not all children are the same, and when they’ve just turned three their manners aren’t fully developed. The man who came over and cussed at me because I was trying to calm down a hungry three year old needs to take classes in manners.

    • meteor_Whoricorn_echo

      Aww, sweetie, bully for me indeed. I thought it’s generally a nice thing to teach children some manners before taking them to any sort of public place. Silly, silly me.

  • Mid50sfan

    I’ve been to this restaurant and am all for the sign — tables are close together, lots of levels up and down, expensive food, hushed, intimate white tablecloth and candle atmosphere, and at least five larger, stroller accessable, high chair option, noise friendly restaurants with great seafood within 250 feet. Since parents these days seem to regard sitting quietly and eating a meal as an affront to their child’s psyche, I’m all for this. Unsupervised kids do not need to be everywhere accommodated by everyone at all times, and the parents who allow it have spoiled it for the rest. It’s one option among many on the pier. Leave it so.

  • http://confessionsofamodernswampwitch.weebly.com/ Jezebeelzebub

    please add this to your sign “People who actually SAY “OMG”. Fuck those people.

    • Old Lady Phillips

      You mean say Oh-Em-Gee out loud? Or just use “OMG” in general. Because, so guilty of the latter, that yeah, all the fuck yous to me!!!

    • http://confessionsofamodernswampwitch.weebly.com/ Jezebeelzebub

      Girl, no! Say it ain’t so! You’re better than that!

  • Rachel Sea

    There are places which are putting the kibosh on some of those other things too. I LOVE me some cellphone-free restaurants.

  • SarahJesness

    I think part of the reason they specify no children, rather than rude customers in general, is that if they kick out a party for having poorly behaved kids, the parents are MUCH more likely to make a stink about it. Complaining to some parents about their child’s behavior is seen as criticizing their parenting style, a big taboo these days. Meanwhile, a loud drunk or party probably isn’t going to call the local news for being kicked out because they knows no one will sympathize.

  • Coffee&Cats

    The thing is, restaraunts will kick out or at the very least reprimand disruptive adults. They usually don’t with babies and small children. To me, nothing is more grating/ meal ruining than a screaming baybay or a spoiled asshole toddler yelling and running about. This is why the sign is needed.

    P.S. sorry not sorry!
    P.S.S Yes, I’m a terrible, cold hearted baby-hater. No, I don’t care.

    • meteor_Whoricorn_echo

      Baby hater high five. I generally call parents out if they don’t do jack shit about their kids.

    • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

      Not only that, but they will call the police and have the disruptive adult officially barred from the premises if needed.

  • MynameisNaeMe

    I don’t really mind screaming babies in restaurants as long as the parent doesn’t let it occur for over 10 minutes or so before attempting to soothe it. I do however despise kids especially loud rude and in large groups. And for whatever reason mom’s love to sit right next to me even if we are the only ones in the whole place. If I’m in my uniform, I came here on my break from my retail job. The one where I’m around your screaming spoiled kids with no choice in the matter. All day in the summer. Why are you doing this to me?? There is this whole other empty dining area. Gogo. See I don’t want you to leave. Just stay super far away.

  • SHM

    Don’t like it go somewhere else. Personally as a mother of a 15 month old, it does not offend me. I would probably go there on the few date nights a year that I get. A guaranteed place to eat with out kids. Yes please! Also, I have no problem telling an adult A-hole to shut the eff up and what I think of him. I can’t really do that to a baby.

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