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Jesus Freak: Public Breastfeeding Is Not A Temptation For Christian Men

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Jesus Freak: I am a Christian mom who was raised in a fundamental Christian home. I have questioned my beliefs and have come to love myself and God on my own terms. I’m raising my kids the same way.

I think we have all come to the consensus that public breastfeeding is totally fine. It should be accepted and even embraced because it is a healthy, natural, and normal way to feed a child.

I will fully disclose the fact that I never publicly breastfed my kids, not even once. Part of that had to do with the fact that I did not feel comfortable enough with my own body, and part of it was because I preferred the convenience of pumping milk so that I could drink at a restaurant and avoid shuffling my baby under a nursing cover at the table. Just my two cents. I still support every woman’s right to breastfeed in any situation, in any location.

Based on the Christian community I was raised in, I would assume that something natural and God-given like breastfeeding would be fully embraced. I remember that my very religious dad was gung-ho about all kinds of “traditional” lifestyle choices, including homeschooling, bed-sharing at times, and definitely extended breastfeeding.

This is why I was shocked to find an aversion to public breastfeeding in some Christian communities. According to one forum poster:

One of the biggest frustrations that I’ve had about the issue of breastfeeding in public is with where many of my fellow conservative Christians have come down on the issue. In both news articles and discussion forums I’ve seen comment after comment from family values touting “conservatives” that want to use family values as their political crutch but shout “go home and cover up” whenever the issue of breastfeeding in public arises.

Wait! There’s more! Here is a response from a Christian man on the subject of public breastfeeding:

If we could all run around naked and no one would lust, then no problem. Thats how it would have been in the garden. But thats not the case, when man fell, we knew good and evil and do either one. As being naked is not a sin, the effects of that is. Just like certain clothes, the clothing is not the sin, it is the intent behind them, and the reaction to them.

Yes, in breastfeeding in public the intent is good, but the reaction may not be so. Just as you can sit in your own place without any clothes all you want alone and not sin, once you step out the door, whatever your intentions, it is a sin.

But it’s not just the menfolk. Some Christian women shame other women who expose their breasts while publicly breastfeeding:

I personally don’t want to see anyone breastfeed nor do I want my young teenager son to see it. Some things like private parts should remain covered and not for open display.

I would just like to point out that I am not attacking the Christian culture, but it appears that this “modesty issue” comes up often in Christian circles. It needs to be addressed. I grew up in a Christian community where abstinence, modesty, and temptation were MAJOR concerns. I think that I have developed sexually just fine on my own, but it wasn’t thanks to any of the guilt I was fed regarding God’s “hatred” for pornography, masturbation, and sex outside of marriage.

As I’ve grown to question many of the staunchly religious teachings passed down to me in church, I started to realize that the concept of Christian modesty is grossly overblown. To me, it all comes back to the core religious value that I disagree with (in any religion, not just Christianity), clinging to the paradox that you are either “good” or “bad.”

I firmly believe that we are all created good and that God sees us that way. (Want evidence? Just think of the unconditional love you have for your own kids.) If you spend your life trying to avoid bad choices in the hopes of being good, you’re only going to end up repressed and frustrated. Chasing this concept of “becoming good” leads to self-hatred. It’s no wonder that Christians in the examples above are quick to shame breastfeeding women who don’t live up to their high standards; it has nothing to do with modesty and everything to do with legalism.

The thought that public breastfeeding could be a temptation to Christian men is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard. I’d also like to point out that even though breastfeeding is not inappropriate, enforced modesty doesn’t help deal with underlying sexual issues that another man or woman may be struggling with. It’s simply an excuse and an easy way out—to blame the actions of another person for your own problems.

The OP puts it best in her response to any religious group that shames breastfeeding mothers:  “I would challenge anyone to produce a verse from the Bible that says anything negative about breastfeeding, whether in public or not. Verses that talk about modesty don’t come into play here, because you can’t simply assume that a nursing mom is not going to be modest.”

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  • http://wtfihaveakid.blogspot.ca/ jendra_berri

    Anyone who gets aroused by witnessing a woman breastfeed should have the good sense to keep that to themselves and move along. Any situation where a baby is doing something is not a sexually charged situation. Breastfeeding ain’t gross, but finding it titillating is VERY gross. Pardon the pun.

    • Bethany Ramos

      I <3 puns.

  • Kendra

    I think a HUGE part of the problem is that everyone seems to assume that breastfeeding in public is the exact same as just taking your bra off and having a stroll. It’s not. I would put a bet that half of the mothers who breastfeed in public probably go unnoticed, because often the baby covers the boob anyway. I really don’t understand these people. I really, really don’t. If it makes you so uncomfortable, why are you staring long enough to wait and see if you *might* see some nipple? Because, the nipple isn’t usually exposed the entire time. The amount of time a nipple *might* be exposed is often so minuscule, that I just can’t understand this.

    • Guets

      Honestly, I don’t care if someone does take their bra off an have a stroll. Dudes walk around with their tits out all the time and other countries don’t care about topless ladies. Here if you have some clevage you’re a giant ho.

    • JenH1986

      in NYC you can walk around topless (thank you Scout Willis for that piece of info during your instagram boycott). So yea. it’s a boob. Everyone breathe.

    • Guest

      That is exactly what I thought of when she said walk around topless. Honestly, the pictures certainly didn’t shock me and were kind like “meh”.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I personally find shirtless attractive men very distracting, so I think they should all have to cover up to suit my preferences…

    • Kendra

      No, I wouldn’t care either. I would probably think “hmmm, that’s interesting” and I would just move along. I was just making a comparison that breastfeeding is not equal to toplessness. :)

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      Every year my city has a huge topless rally down (I think it’s part of Go Topless?) and people really freak the fuck out about it. It brings out the crazies with the megaphones and WBC signs.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      That simply would not fly down here in GA. We already have a lady that spends hours on the street wearing a sign that cautions us not to accept the mark of the beast. For real. It’s like a sandwich board made out of poster boards, and both sides are covered. She’s on the road outside Target, so I don’t know if it is about Target specifically or just sin in general.

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      lolll it’s probably about Target, I heard one time they donated a few bucks to PP…or something…

      It’s fine here in Asheville but lots of crazy people come to town to let us all know that we’re going to hell. A couple of years ago some senator called Asheville a “cesspool of sin” and now there’s a guy who sells t-shirts, it’s our new town slogan.

      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EUwRwq92jck/T47qTktlZrI/AAAAAAAApzI/NuZiSDkAIqM/s1600/cesspool.jpg

    • Jennifer Freeman

      I keep hearing that ASheville is a little spot of blue in a state full of red. We actually drove through there a couple weeks ago on our way home. My son refused to travel one second longer in the car. Are you now telling me that I may have exposed my entire family to sin and possibly the gay?
      On a serious note, I was totally bummed because we’ve been wanting to check out Asheville for months but we didn’t get the chance while we were there because I didn’t have enough vacation time saved up. So, we only got to sleep athe Holiday Inn Express and then watch the lovely view as we drove away.

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      In all likelihood, yes. Our other slogan is “10,000 lesbians can’t be wrong.”
      Asheville is definitely worth visiting! It’s absolutely beautiful and full of delicious beer.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      I am in the much more conservative Augusta, which has no beer, but plenty of crazy people. I always mentally follow “I live in Augusta” with “BUT I’M NOT FROM HERE!”. Not that there aren’t plenty of lovely people here, but the crazies really seem to outnumber them.

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      Hahaha I have mets tons of Georgia transplants–mostly Athens, Atlanta and Savannah though…maybe the people with the signs are from Augusta?? Maybe I know your Target friend!

    • Jennifer Freeman

      I should try to get pictures of her. It’s the weirdest thing. She’s got her sandwich board and judgement, but she also appears to be super concerned about skin cancer because she is fully clothed – hat, long sleeves, and pants – no matter how hot.
      Athens, Atlanta and Savannah seem less crazy to me than Augusta! I have seen so much since we moved down South. Some has been good, some has been bad, and some has been pretty shocking (like the time I was eating my chicken in Zaxby’s and some dude full on called Tiget Woods the N word in normal conversation).

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      It’s probably less about cancer (because the apocalypse is coming soon, right?) and more about not planting seeds of lust in passersby! #modestishottest

      And ugh, I know. Asheville makes it easy to forget that I live in the south, but it really is pretty gross out there.

    • Krista

      Ah- I should have kept reading… you’re in Augusta. Target lady makes MUCH more sense to me now.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      LOL Yep! Augusta is a special, special place.

    • 2Well

      The Triangle is actually pretty liberal as well, probably from having so many students and universities.

    • Krista

      How have I not witnessed this? Is it at a metro ATL target? Also, is it bad that I want to seek this spectacle out so I can gawk?

    • Momma425

      In WA, people paint themselves and ride around on their bikes naked.
      Zero of the people riding on the bikes are anybody who I ever want to see naked. They go right through my husband’s work parking lot as part of their parade route. He didn’t even notice until I said something about how people in the parade are naked.

    • Obladi Oblada

      I’m not far from you…just across the border in Tennessee. ;)

    • Clarissa

      The other day we were at the zoo, and there was a woman breastfeeding. My husband didn’t notice and the only reason I noticed was because I currently have baby fever. But her child’s head covered pretty much everything. My mom and other family members would always be more discreet in public than at home breastfeeding, but then again my mom would also run around in just a bra while she ironed her shirt. But it helps alot to see breastfeeding in a positive light, from the time you’re young.

  • http://misuser.blogspot.com Alex Lee

    If they’re not occasionally tempted by a boob, how will they know if they are stronger than temptation?

    Or is it “Tit is out. Game over.”?

    • LiLi

      Don’t you know that all men are barely controlled rapists and the moment they are aroused by any lady parts its totes not their fault if they can’t control themselves cuz Jesus.

      **This post is sarcasm. My 1st public breastfeeding experience without a cover was in front of my hetro male best friend. He had never consciously witnessed public breastfeeding before and was all “what the fuck is the fuss about?**

    • Spongeworthy

      Seriously, if I were a man I’d be so insulted about this. Do we really think so little of men that we think they will lose all control if they see a woman in nursing?

  • kay

    First place I breastfed outside of the house? Church.
    I fucking DARE someone to tell me not to feed my baby in church. The pope said it’s ok. You want to argue with the pope?

    (I know a woman who told me her husband was super uncomfortable with her feeding her baby in church, to the point where she was pumping a bottle instead. Her church has a cry room in the back, she always uses a cover…and most importantly, Jesus doesn’t judge.)

    • Spitting_mad

      I was coming to say just that. The pope is cool with it, said so right in the middle of addressing the public. Flat-out told moms to go ahead and breastfeed during his mass and feel no shame about it.

      The pope. Mic drop, bitches.

    • falcongirl

      A friend of mine breastfed her baby in church. My friend’s father got all embarrassed and tried to tell her that she shouldn’t be doing that in church. My friend’s mother asked him how he thought Jesus was fed and if he would tell Mary that she shouldn’t have fed Jesus in church. And that was the last time he said anything about it.

    • NYCNanny

      You’re only using the pope because his views are the same as yours. If he said breast feeding is bad, you wouldn’t even mention him. It’s convenient and that’s not good reasoning.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      Who would cite someone who doesn’t agree with their reasoning? “Yeah, I am totally arguing that public breastfeeding should eb acceptable, so let me use all these people who disagree with me as examples for why I am right” just makes absolutely no sense.

    • WriterLady

      I would imagine that she is using the Pope as an example because he is the most well-known living religious figure. There are 1.1 billion Catholics worldwide (accounting for roughly 17% of the world’s population). And of the Christians who belong to a myriad of denominations, 50% of them are Catholics. Surely there have been corrupt Popes in the past, but it’s refreshing to see that Francis has been very reasonable on issues relevant to poor people, women, minority groups, etc. Compare that with famous evangelicals who advocate prosperity theology, vehemently renounce homosexuality (to the point of making it a primary part of their sermons), teach that nearly all other religions are heretics (even Catholics, to some extent), and promote the subservience of women. You don’t have to be a Catholic to admire the way that he has made serious attempts to transform many of the out-dated and harmful tenets that are leftover vestiges of the ancient Abrahamic religions.

  • Spongeworthy

    Sorry dudes, but your “temptation”, and your boners, aren’t my problem. If you can’t control yourself in public, YOU can stay home.

    • Guest

      Took the words right out of my mouth. Sounds like that dude’s personal problem if he can’t go outside without constantly sinning.

    • Frannie

      Furthermore, it’s a failure of the uptight mothers who never bothered to teach their sons to respect women and understand that breastfeeding is natural and normal – and not sexual.

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    • JJ

      I bet some of these men were the same ones who got that teenage girl, wearing an appropriate length dress, to her local homeschool area dance kicked out because she was to distracting with her attractiveness and it made them uncomfortable. I agree 100% if these so called men can’t keep their willies in their pants every time they see a women breastfeed, wear a dress at a school dance or dare to wear anything that gasp shows shoulder, neck or anything unchristian like then they can never go out in public till they learn some self control.

    • Spongeworthy

      Yea, I’m willing to bet money there’s a LOT of overlap between those 2 schools of thought.

    • LiLi

      I have decided I am officially adding the phrase “temptation boners” to my lexicon.

    • Momma425

      Okay, so there are ways to promote your conservative values to your children AND be okay with public breastfeeding.
      People have free will to do/wear/say whatever the damn well they want to. So while I might not ever breastfeed my child in public because those aren’t MY values, but I literally have no control over the person next to me and the way they decide to feed their kid. My rights end where someone else’s rights begin.
      “Well I have the right to not have to see breastfeeding,” is what some argue. Yes- you DO have that right. You have the right to look somewhere else, the right to close your eyes, the right to leave and go somewhere else, the right to stay home, the right to put a blanket over your head… if breastfeeding, or some other horror is happening in front of you.
      My parents were super conservative Christians. They taught us to wear modest clothing in public. That did not mean that all of our friends and classmates wore the same outfits we did. My parents responded with, “Well, that Julie wears to school is between Julie and her parents. This is not an outfit that we find appropriate and corresponds with our values.” The end. Same conversation can happen (at home for Lord’s sake) about public breastfeeding if this is something you find inappropriate for some reason: “We have no control over what that lady does. In our house, we value more modesty than that, and we don’t choose to be as revealing in public.” Done.

    • cabecb

      My parents are not conservative and were involved with some political movements in the 70s but they also shared the same idea. This is what we do in our house but that does not mean we expected other people to do the same thing. I have the same attitude about most things but my only issue is if people start to say that there is only one way to do things. We have to share a public space and not everyone has the same expectations about things. We have to learn to accept those differences.

    • Momma425

      I field these types of things with my daughter ALLLLLL the time. I don’t buy her bikini bathing suits as an example. She observed other people wearing different swim attire at the pool and made a comment about it being inappropriate. My responce was along the lines of, “Our family has decided that bikini bathing suits are not appropriate for us to wear. Other people and other families get to decide for themselves what they think is appropriate to wear. We need to always be nice to people no matter what they are wearing.”
      It’s the same thing really.
      I don’t know why, but our society has this “need” to try and control other people. We can’t. We can’t even really control our own children- they are going to grow up and make their own choices and create their own values and do what they want to. The best we can do is teach our kids our values and see other people doing something differently as a learning opportunity.

    • MerlePerle

      I think that’s an important discussion to have over many topics. My daughter doesn’t have earings, a TV in her room, access to my iPad, while many of her friends do. She understands just fine that different households have different rules and we need to accept that.

    • Spongeworthy

      This is an excellent way to put it. There will always be people doing things differently. Doesn’t mean they don’t have the right to do it. If you aren’t comfortable breast feeding in public, don’t do it. But don’t expect everyone else to go along with it.

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  • K.

    …Are these people aware that there are centuries of Christian art devoted to Mary’s boobies?

    (or are these the folks that consider art a vanity and perversion, because then they’re too far off the deep end anyway)

    • Jennifer Freeman

      Yeha, but those are VIRGIN boobies, not boobies that have done teh sexx.

    • Clarissa

      interesting, because two things
      1)The bible says Jesus had siblings. Some people debate this so even if he didn’t,
      2)If we’re equating breastfeeding to walking around topless, and if mary’s virgin boobies were ok, then why did I spend so much money on shirts in my teen years? Also the day after I had sex, would there have been a noticeable difference in my boobs? Why haven’t any women discovered this before now?

    • Jennifer Freeman

      Yes, our boobies changed. Obvs they become more sinful! :)

    • ToninaMDC

      The types of Christians that have freakouts over women causing men to “stumble” and sin because of immodest dress or actions usually aren’t big fans of Mary in the first place. After all, she’s a big deal for those idol-worshipping Catholics, not for Real True Christians! /s

    • K.

      *sigh*

      I once had a student in class who told me I was “wrong” when I was discussing Bernini’s art and architecture in the Vatican…I thought she was referring to my treatment of the art; nope, she was referring to the fact that my explanation of a certain facet of Christianity wasn’t actually true–and then quoted me scripture.

      I told her, “Um, that’s great–but this is a Catholic church and this is how the belief system for that branch of Christianity was interpreted THEN.” And then she freaked out because of the relativism.

  • Elisabeth TheQueen Smith

    raised in the baptist community, breastfeeding was highly encouraged. It was your duty as a christian woman to do as ‘The Good Lord intended’ There was absolutely nothing sexual assigned to it. Of all the faults I have since found with that faith, they could not be faulted in that area. They actively encouraged mothers to breastfeed anytime.anywhere

  • JenH1986

    I’ve seen many women breastfeed. Never once have I seen a boob out on display in those situations. If the nipple is the issue avert your head to kiddo latches. Out of all those women and the umpteen times I’ve been chatting while they nurse. Know how many times I saw nipple? Never, because usually I’m looking at my friend while she’s talking not her tits while she’s feeding.

  • Ashley Austrew

    I didn’t have an issue with public breastfeeding before kids, but it’s even harder for me to understand these people post-kids. Boobs just aren’t sexual or “inappropriate” to me anymore. I mean, yes, they still make me feel womanly or whatever and I still like a good boob caress, but I just don’t feel anything about boobs on display. They’re like arms to me now or something.

    Also, breastfeeding really doesn’t put boobs on display. The baby’s head pretty much covers everything. But, even if your boob was on display, meh. It’s a boob. Big deal.

  • Oliver

    My line of thoughts when a woman is breastfeeding.
    “Hey look, a boob. Yep. Totally a boob.”
    “Nice tattoos.”
    “Aww. Cute baby.”
    “Wow. That is one ugly baby. Like a pink raisin.”
    “Oh, hey, yep, a boob. Where the hell is that Starbucks?”

    It is never “Hnnnnnnnnnnnng so hot now I am imagining us having sex after putting a paper bag over the kid or something, now I must go go sin against my wife then confess.”

    Joggers are more distracting than breastfeeding women. And even then, I glance, apprciate, and move right along. Well toned cyclist ass is way more distracting. Even if it has the “Wow, you are one sexy grandpa” kind of moments.

    • candyvines

      I read ‘Starbuckses’ in this guy’s voice:

    • Oliver

      Deprive me long enough and that is pretty fucking accurate.

    • ToastDon’tCare(aka LiteBrite)

      “Starbuckses….my preciousssssss….”

    • Williwaw

      I’m stroking my coffee cup possessively as I read that.

  • Gina

    You hit the nail on the head.

    I can’t even with Christians that try to use the modesty argument to shame women for feeding their children.

  • Effervescent Pheasant

    Oh for pete’s fricking sake… It’s a boob.. it’s food FIRST then a play thing for you men (or even women if you like).
    What’s the saying for the ladies? Calm your tits? well Calm your dicks men… I’m so sick of the eye rolling breastfeeding public. IT’S FOOD… food for a baby!… seriously.. like a basic need and completely natural. I just don’t get how this ever became such a taboo thing.

    • Ashley Austrew

      I got caught up in a breastfeeding “debate” yesterday, and this woman was like, “How would you feel if I flashed my boobs to your husband??” I was like, “Okay. One, breastfeeding is not flashing. Two, go ahead! My husband and I are both grown-ups. We can handle that women have boobs. He will not jump on you in a fit of uncontrollable temptation and I just don’t have any fucks to give about being threatened by other women having boobs.” I don’t get the taboo either. Just because “society” wants to objectify us and see us as a collection of sexual parts doesn’t mean we have to play along and see ourselves that way.

    • Kendra

      Yeah, seriously. Do these people never watch movies? There a whole lotta boobies in movies. Never once has my husband tried to hump the TV though.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      You must have him exceptionally well-trained, then. :P

    • Kendra

      Oh, you know I do. “DOWN BOY” usually does the trick! ;)

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      Do you have to use a squirt bottle? I find that effective myself.

    • Effervescent Pheasant

      Try a squirt bottle of beer, it’s distracting to them!

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      He’s more of a whiskey man. If I was squirting Jack through the air, believe me, he would be diving to catch it, lol!

    • Guest

      My husband just shouts “BOOBS!” during all the explicit GoT scenes.

    • Effervescent Pheasant

      Amen to that! (pun intended!) It’s not flashing and I can’t get over the mentality of people when they sexualize it. I just have to smile and walk away… although.. my Hubby may want to hump the TV over Game Of Thrones at times.. HA HA HA.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      Sometimes GoT makes me want to hump the TV, so I can’t really blame him.

    • WriterLady

      The hubby and I were just discussing that the other day! I couldn’t care less if he drools over the dozens of naked ladies in GoT. And when we began binge watching The Tudors on Netflix a couple of weeks ago, I was pleasantly surprised that for once, a male actor was actually depicted with more than just his shirt off. That would be Jonathan Rhys Meyers’ exposed bare ass (which happens quite frequently throughout the series, in case you haven’t seen it). :)

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I have not seen it. It is on my Netflix Instant Que though, and after googling that particular actor after reading your comment, I think it just jumped up to the top of the “To Watch” list. ;)

    • WriterLady

      It’s really a great series. And, ironically, Natalie Dormer (Margaery Tyrell in GoT) plays Anne Boleyn in the series, and she does a fantastic job.

    • whiteroses

      What’s cool, too, is that Natalie Dormer is a direct descendent of Mary Dormer, who was one of Queen Mary Tudor’s ladies in waiting :). Mary Dormer wrote down nearly everything she saw- she was kind of invaluable to historians later.

      Another little tidbit? Natalie Dormer’s hair is naturally blonde- she had to fight “The Tudors” producers to dye her hair dark brown (like Anne Boleyn’s) because she wanted to be as accurate as she could.

    • WriterLady

      Wow! That is fascinating!! I recently saw a picture of her with blonde hair at a celebrity event, and it kind of shocked me because she pulls off the brunette so well in several of her roles. Nevertheless, she is stunning. And the fact that she has a direct connection with the Tudors through her family lineage is incredible. Thanks for sharing!

    • Jennifer Freeman

      If you haven’t watched it already, Rome also has lots of man butts and even some full frontal (but not from any notable actors).

    • WriterLady

      I haven’t had the chance to watch that particular series yet, but it’s on my list! I don’t think it’s on Netflix, though I’ve heard wonderful things from a number of people, so I may go ahead and buy the individual seasons through Amazon (as I’ve been doing with Game of Thrones). We rarely do that, but HBO and Showtime frequently turn out great programs. As an aside, I wonder why HBO sold the rights to Dexter to Netflix but not Rome (since the latter ended in 2007)? Very strange.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      Yeah, it is kind of weird what content they have sometimes. I think they rotate content, so maybe Rome will be there. It is definitely worth a watch when you get the chance. James Purefoy is such an awesome ass as Marc Antony. I heart him.

    • Michelle Pittman

      read the books and then watch it — both are fantastic!!!!!!

    • WriterLady

      Oh, how I wish I had the time to read the A Song of Ice and Fire series. It would take me eons with my work schedule, but even so, I think it would be worth it! Knowing me, I’d let the work go in favor of the books. ha!

    • Ingrid

      So much JRM ass.

      I also love the…variety of boobage in the Tudors. It’s very diverse!

    • Rachel Sea

      I’ll teach you a thing or two Jon Snow.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      He would not know nothing anymore.

    • Michelle Pittman

      but he knows where to put it lmao :-)

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      Cave sex for the win.

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      And Ygritte! I want to live in that cave with them forever.

    • Rachel Sea

      She has such a baby face, I’d feel like a cradle robber.

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      No way, girl is nasty and I love it.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      I know everyone is all loving on Jon Snow but I can’t. He was like 14 in the book. :P Same for Daenerys. She was like 13 I think.

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      Simpler times! Shorter life spans! I apologize for nothing!

    • Rachel Sea

      I think he was about 17 in the book (a year older than Rob), but regardless, in the show he is totally of age.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      That he is. :)

    • Lucy

      They aged them up in the show, but he is definitely 15 when the books start. He and Robb are the same age. They were both conceived near the beginning of the war, and there is no way in the timeline given that Jon could be a year older.

    • Michelle Pittman

      When the series started, Robb & Jon were 15, Bran 7, Rickon 3, Sansa 11, Arya 9, Joff 13, his sis 8 and Tommen 6…Dany was 13…my biggest problem with Jon Snow in the show is Kit Harrington…who, while very pretty, just canNOT act…he has been better this season…

    • Rachel Sea

      I don’t need him to act, I just need him to stand there and look pretty.

    • Michelle Pittman

      LOL!!!! eh…i’m more of a Jensen Ackles kinda guy — great actor and beyond gorgeous…way, way, way, way, WAY beyond gorgeous :-)

    • Jennifer Freeman

      There is a very real need for actors like this.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I so completely agree.

    • WriterLady

      I’m a Jaime Lannister fan myself. Jon Snow is adorable in a boyish way, but Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (had to look up the spelling on that one!) is handsome in a more mature way, IMO. Honestly, I kind of think Ramsay Snow/Bolton has the potential to be quite attractive, if only I could get past the fact that his character is a psychotic sadist (hence the perpetual crazed look on his face)–not the actor himself. :)

    • Lucy

      I know he was very young in the book, but the actors that play him and Robb are actually a year older than I am, so I feel no shame in finding them very hot.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      Oh, I know. I just have a weird thing becuase I read the books first and was totally picturing them differently. So, now the actor is hot and it’s weird for me.

    • Michelle Pittman

      it is known…

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I freaked last week when it occurred to me that the mascot of my son’s school is a dragon, and they refer to their students as “dragons”.

      I’ve decided that this makes me the Mother of Dragons, and I am positively ecstatic.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      I don’t get how she equates intentionally being disrespectful towards you and your husband with feeding a baby. I can’t even figure out how she got there.

    • cabecb

      I was struggling with that myself. If she was squirting milk from her breasts at them, maybe.

    • gothicgaelicgirl

      My response to this would be “Oh, I see you’re giving your toddler a sandwich. You’re feeding your baby lunch. Guess what wench? I’m doing the same with MY BABY”

      Cue milky boobs whipping in a maelstrom of lactation.

    • Spongeworthy

      I know for a fact that my husband has seen plenty of boobs that aren’t mine. Somehow he has managed to not turn into a drooling idiot each time. Must be black magic.

    • Kitsune

      I would also not care at all though maybe I’m biased since I would be way more likely to notice the boobs before my husband did.

    • Ashley Austrew

      Word. I honestly think I’m way more of a horn dog than my husband.

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      Wow, what a lunatic. Not that they are even comparable, but what’s the “worst” that could happen? That he might jerk off the next day in the shower thinking about that lady who showed him her boobs on the sidewalk? YIKES, truly terrifying!

    • Ashley Austrew

      Yeah, apparently my husband will not ever notice another woman is attractive or has boobs…unless she is breastfeeding! The horror!

    • whiteroses

      If my husband has so little control that he goes around humping people like a dog, he needs to be in therapy.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I honestly think that’s probably pretty high on my list of reasons to divorce. I’ve never actually sat down and prioritized said list, but I’m fairly certain it would be near the top.

    • Surly Canuck

      As a chesty lady, I’m kinda stumped by these assertions. Do people like that honestly think it takes a little areola for their husbands to go “Shit! There were sin-bags under that sweater?” Do they run down the beach throwing caftans at women so that their husbands aren’t tempted to hump strangers? No? Then there’s the bridge, get over it.

    • http://nessyhart.wordpress.com/ pixie

      It would probably blow her mind that in my province, it is perfectly legal for me to walk down the street topless. Not very many women do, but it’s completely within our legal rights to do so (woot Ontario!). And the ones that do (I think it’s mostly only on beaches that some women go topless, I’ve yet to see a lady walking down the street topless) don’t get jumped by every man who passes by her. I’m sure there’s looks and probably side-eyes and maybe a cat call or whistle, but not being jumped by men who can’t control their urges left and right in the middle of a busy, public beach.

    • Momma425

      I have always wanted to do this in a place that is legal. Not because I am attractive at all- but because I think that would be a good way to potentially get a free shirt given to me. :)

    • gothicgaelicgirl

      I was lucky enough that my mom wanted us to be well travelled, so from a young age, we were brought around the world.
      Nudas beaches did feature quite frequently (best family beaches though!)
      Because it was so normal, no one gave a shit!
      No one cared if the svelte 19 yr old took her top off or if my mom took her top off or even if my stepdad went totally nude.
      No one gave a shit lol.

    • http://nessyhart.wordpress.com/ pixie

      That’s kind of awesome.

    • gothicgaelicgirl

      It WAS awesome!
      No one genuinely gave two hoots about a dude’s goolies or a woman’s nipples at all!

      My mom used to get a LOT of hassle off people at home when they found out we were brought to the beaches lol my mom would give them stink eye with one perfectly tattooed eyebrow and say- They saw naked people, not corpses.

    • cabecb

      Breastfeeding is not the same thing as flashing.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I fucking love this picture.

    • Sarah

      I prefer “Hakuna your ta-tas,” actually.

      But yeah, anyone who freaks out about breastfeeding is just dumb. Like you said, it’s food for a baby.

  • Megan Zander

    Unless gerber has a backstory I’m not aware of, Jesus was breastfed, soooooo….
    Seriously, it’s issues like this that make it really hard for me to say I’m a Christian without apologizing in the next sentence.

    • Bethany Ramos

      LOL!

  • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

    I would refer these people to I Thessalonians 4: 3-5:

    It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God.

    Your thought life is no one’s problem but your own. Full stop.

    • JenH1986

      But…but…but…I HAVE to blame someone because it can’t be MY fault I have these thoughts.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      Of course not. Mumble mumble something about stumbling block blah blah blah.

      That’s all I hear when they go on these rants, lol.

    • whiteroses

      Yeah. Me too. I’m sorry, but I am not responsible for what someone else thinks and feels. Nope.

    • Surly Canuck

      Agreed, just like coveting your neighbor’s wife is your sin, not hers.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      You know, I had never really considered that one in light of it being one person’s sin and not the other’s. There’s no caveat either–no “Well, if she’s wearing a really low cut dress or you see some really great ankle then it’s her sin too”. Not at all.

    • Surly Canuck

      My religion teacher hammered this one home… a lot. He was pretty cool that way.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      That’s awesome. Our youth pastors were always big on the “don’t be a stumbling block” philosophy and it made me want to hurl. It got to the point where I would sit there and play bingo with their key phrases on the subject…which always seemed to come up, no matter what…

    • Surly Canuck

      I was pretty lucky growing up. Both my religion teacher at school (catholic school) and priest weren’t big on modesty, stumbling, etc. I’d never heard of such things until a few years ago. Mostly it was, “Jesus sacrificed his life us, the least we can do is not be jerks to one another”, and “take care of your own backyard and let others worry about theirs” which I always took to mean don’t be a judgy mcjudgy pants. Oh and the holiday favorite “so many new faces in the crowd”. Catholic guilt ftw!

    • Scarlet

      One time at Christmas mass the priest announced the times for Easter mass “for everyone we won’t see until then” I thought that was hysterical. Also useful, since by that point I had become a Christmas and Easter Catholic!!

    • Ashley Austrew

      Your neighbor’s wife DOES give great ankle.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      Her ankles are hawt, man.

    • whiteroses

      Every time I see the arguments about “modest dressing”, I think about this guy.

      http://9gag.com/gag/5652174

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      Look at that hussy!

    • whiteroses

      LOL :)

    • Bethany Ramos

      Hahahhahaha

    • brebay

      whatever. If that slut wouldn’t walk around with her face and ankles all exposed, that poor man wouldn’t have been tempted!

    • Spongeworthy

      People should be expected to control their own body instead of making others responsible for not tempting them? Shut the front door. That just won’t do.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      It’s crazy talk, isn’t it? Absolutely INSANE.

  • candyvines

    There is nothing sinful about feeding a baby. Sorry about your hang-ups there, guy.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I don’t get his whole differentiation regarding intent. Obviously, her intent is to feed her baby. Not sinful. Whole analogy crumbles like a piece of toast in the hands of my toddler…

    • candyvines

      I know! My intent is to feed my baby – your reaction to it is your business.

    • candyvines

      Just remembered it is sinful to feed a baby to The Actual Devil.

  • Clarissa

    How the heck do you think Mary fed Jesus? And nowhere in the bible does it say anything about putting a blanket on a babies head, and considering your two options back then were your milk or someone else’s milk, you’d think it would have been addressed somewhere if God had a problem with the perfectly natural way to feed babies that he created.

    • Guest

      Um, she fed him from the kitchen, where she belongs.
      I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist.

  • http://facebook.com/guineverew Guinevere

    Look into the Episcopal Church. All are welcome, women are fully included (ordained as priests), openly loving and accepting to the LGBTQ folks, et al. As a side note, I find it interesting that with all the mitzvahs in the Old Testament, there are none on breastfeeding. The Qu’aran strongly recommends 2 years, but it isn’t mentioned in Judeo-Christian scriptures.

    • Jem

      The ELCA is also very accepting with everything mentioned above

    • http://facebook.com/guineverew Guinevere

      True. I just don’t like all “Christians” being lumped together. (eg: I have a coworker who believes I don’t believe in dinosaurs because I go to church…sigh )

    • Surly Canuck

      Same here. As a Catholic, I’ve been told that I must not believe in evolution. Which is weird because you never hear of evolution being excluded from Catholic science curriculum.

  • Lilly

    considering there are many, many paintings of Mary nursing Jesus this seems a little “crazy Christian” to get up in arms over this — even the LaLeche League was started by religious women who wanted to be more traditional (not where they are now but that is its founding)

    http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/5c/af/5caf38999e2414a9f21f90b64d2b8929.jpg?itok=dVp2Nvwh

    • Lilly
    • SunnyD847

      Walking through museums in Europe, my husband and I were cracking up about all the paintings where women would have their breasts hanging out for no discernible reason. Like, they’re out having a lovely picnic in the park or hunting deer and hey! Tits are out!

    • http://nessyhart.wordpress.com/ pixie

      In one of my music history textbooks there was a picture of a portrait of a female composer named Barbara Strozzi from the early-1600s in a very low-cut dress. Like you can see nipples low cut. Very amusing for a bunch of 18 and 19 year old first years.

      Hopefully the picture will load, but it looks like “hey, just playing my instrument and writing some music with my boobs out”

      Edit: darn, picture didn’t post :( (but google Barbara Strozzi, and it’s the first image pretty much)

    • Caitlin Burrows

      I took an art history course, and I remember learning that at one point, if there was a painting of a nude woman reclining, it was less offensive to have a mythological aspect to it. So Nude Reclining would be worse than Venus Reclining.

    • Sara610

      I write my best music with my boobs out.

    • 2Well

      This painting offends me! No way were Jesus and Mary blonde!

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  • Rachel Sea

    As someone who is not remotely religious, I get filled with sputtering indignance when people shame others for not following their wrong interpretation of a grossly dated “holy” book. Fuck off if you are basing your moral code off a book that endorses slavery and stoning people who eat cheeseburgers.

    • Cruelty Cupcake

      Right? That’s what really pisses me off, their narcissism is fucking mind blowing.

    • Rachel Sea

      I’m a minister, I’m interested in the sociology of religion, and I like to read a lot, so I’ve read several versions of the Christian Bible in English and French, an English translation of the Torah, and most of the Qu’ran. There are some good ideas in those books, but they are almost entirely parables applying to people who lived a very specific geographic region a very long time ago, and political propaganda for people living 100-400 years ago. If any of those people had had penicillin the books would be completely different.

    • Jennifer Freeman

      What bugs me even more is when the people are judging others for not believing the same as them, but haven’t themselves actually sat down and read the Bible thoroughly. I can Google biblical quotes all day, but out of context they mean nothing and likely mean something vastly different than the person thinks. I don’t get how some people can use the Bible as their life’s justification and yet only ever get the information out of it second hand.

    • WriterLady

      Without sounding super-cliche, I’m prone to view religious ideals more from a spiritual aspect. I believe in the Judeo-Christian concept of God, but I’m certainly not a Biblical literalist. With that said, I think many of the well-known abhorrent Biblical concepts (such as the ones you have described) stem from the Old Testament. Christians will tell you that the New Testament shuns many of the horrific mandates of the Old Testament, which is true to a degree. Having recently read a great deal about Mary Magdalene and the apocryphal texts, it seems that the mortal men who wrote the Bible purposely demoted or devalued the role of women in an era in which women were still seen as second-class citizens. Even if you don’t believe a word of the Bible, it’s probably safe to assume that most historical texts follow this same ideological course. In modern times, there are still some denominations that subscribe to the notion of women’s subservience (citing Titus and several other scriptures). Modesty is probably an extension of those values, seeing as fundamentalists live by patriarchal standards and take the Bible to be the literal word of God. Of course, none of this excuses the notion that women should be ashamed to breastfeed in public simply because *some* men are unable to control their sexual urges ( after all, breastfeeding has nothing to do with modesty). As several others have mentioned, there are many churches and denominations that are much more accepting of women’s causes and more prone to feminist ideals (not that breastfeeding should be exclusively a woman’s cause—it should be humanity’s cause—but not everyone views these matters in the same light).

    • Rachel Sea

      The fundies who would shame women for their modesty almost all hold reverence for the parts of the Old Testament that justify their prejudices (not the bits that prohibit club sandwiches). The books as we know them are shadows of their original selves. They have been heavily edited by various political bodies (some of whom have exceedingly misogynistic agendas) throughout the last millennium, and re-translated hundreds of times, from copies of copies of copies. Anyone who has ever read the instruction manual that comes with a major appliance knows that translations are fraught with error.

      We know better now that for many passages the translations are dead wrong, such as the oft quoted “thou shall not lay with mankind as with womankind” which should read something like, “thou shall not rape thy fallen enemies to break them that they might make good slaves.” That’s a pretty big difference there, and the rest is little better.

    • WriterLady

      Perhaps I didn’t quite make my explanation clear. My apologies! I am in complete agreement with everything that you have to say, which is why I cited Mary Magdalene and the apocryphal or gnostic texts. These were scriptures that were purposely left out because they promoted ideals that were considered suspicious for the times. They were suspicious precisely because they did not adhere to the patriarchal system of the time (or the rigid social structure of the era), so they were omitted and hidden away, retaining only the information they wanted to keep. Yes, this made some of the early church leaders frauds and liars. Modern historians agree that, if one is to believe in the authenticity of the Bible, many of these scriptures should have been included. Take for example Mary Magdalene. From around 500 AD until the mid-1900s, she was portrayed as a prostitute on the mandate of Pope Gregory I. Now, religious scholars believe she was actually Jesus’ main disciple, the one referred to as “the beloved one.” In other words, she was perhaps the primary ‘apostle to the apostles,’ which angered Saint Peter and many of the other men who couldn’t fathom a woman being the righthand servant of the son of God. No, this is not a scheme taken from the Da Vinci Code, but is actually taken from the lost scrolls now kept at the Nag Hammadi Library. So, yes, the Biblical writers manipulated and distorted events to tell their own version of history. Later leaders exacerbated the issue by omitting entire sections of the text. Essentially, we are describing the same thing, and it’s a shame that it’s taken thousands of years for women to get sort of respect or equality. This also applies to issues of homosexuality and other matters. Yet, there are still religious organizations that refuse to change their ways. I was only pointing out that many denominations have, indeed, accepted that earlier teachings were false or distorted. Personally, I don’t buy into organized religion at all, but those are just my observations.

  • personal

    I sincerely hope that when my son is a teenager, he will see women breastfeed their babies everywhere. Maybe then when he’s an adult, he will be a man who supports women who breastfeed children, including his own children.

  • brebay

    No, you don’t want your young teenager to see his first boob in the context of its intended purpose, you want him to wait and see it in an internet porno as god intended. After all, if he doesn’t view it as a purely sexual object, he may catch the gay!

    • KarenMS

      Seriously, you’d think having your children see a woman breast feeding would be the ideal first exposure to human anatomy.

  • Obladi Oblada

    This is one of the reasons we don’t attend church regularly. My faith is strong but this kind of thinking is toxic. How can I be held responsible for what someone else thinks or how they react?
    I hate to break it to them, but there are some men that will become aroused at the sight of a woman whether she is in a low cut dress with her ‘dirty pillows’ showing or in a burlap sack that covers her from chin to ankles. Those men are animals that will blame anyone but themselves for their actions.
    We have four kids, two girls and two boys. We are very diligent about what we teach them. They are all taught to be kind, to have respect for everyone, to have pride in themselves and to be happy with whatever they choose to do, regardless of what other people think. (We’ll see how well that works out in a few years. I have high hopes. :))

  • Katherine Handcock

    Sigh. I wonder where exactly they think the women of the Bible breastfed their kids?

  • Myra A Cottrill

    I can’t understand this entire subculture where men are not responsible for their own eyes and reactions. How is a woman “sinning” by baring her breast in public to feed her child? Instead of teaching women they have to cover up and fear men’s animalistic reactions, maybe the church should teach men some damned respect, and to not objectify every woman they see.

    Also, what man looks at a breastfeeding woman and think “sexy time!”? That’s a new low right there.

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  • Courtney Lynn

    I’m thankful that I’m married to a Christian man who isn’t a pig and respects women and have other male friends who are the same.

  • Picklejar

    Is sex really the *first* thing on your mind when there is a squalling infant attached to that breast? To me, the presence of an infant completely changes the boobie context… or boobie-intent if you will. Sin averted! (Unless you are of a certain Catholic sort – and your thoughts turn toward the Instant Birth Control Effect that a crying baby can have on people – Then it’s just a Sin Substitution.)

  • ronthedog

    i have no problem whatsoever with public breastfeeding. it’s natural, healthy and the right of the mother and child to do. but in a public space it is also my right to watch, and i do take exception to anybody who wishes to limit that right. if i sit on a park bench to eat a sandwich that is within my rights, but it also within the rights of anybody who wishes to sit on the next bench and watch me eat it. anything i do publicly is by definition okay for whoever wants to watch me to choose to do so. likewise i have the right to observe the activities which anybody else chooses to carry on in public. in public there is no privacy, but a few people seem not to realize this.

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  • Hannah

    I live in South Africa. Seeing breastfeeding in public isn’t as uncommon here as it is in the States. In the black culture specifically, women feel no qualms in breastfeeding in public and rarely cover. My husband and I are Christians and fairly conservative, but I breastfeed in public (modestly, but without a cover), and he doesn’t bat an eye at anyone else breastfeeding in public either, whether they’re using a cover, breastfeeding modestly without one, or have just “whipped it out”. It is completely non-sexual to him, and he would much rather women just fed and nurtured their babies without worrying about what he (or anyone else) thinks than to try and calm their babies while forcing them to wait just because of what some deviant might be thinking. I know other men in our church who feel the same way- women should be able to feed their babies wherever they need to, covered or not. They don’t find it sexual, arousing, or on the flip side, disgusting- it’s just feeding a baby.

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  • Psych Student

    To that lady who doesn’t want her young teenage son “seeing that” I have this to say – Lady, if you seriously think that your teenage son isn’t going to seek out breasts to look at (or men, if that’s how he leans), regardless of their state of dress or purpose, then must have your head buried so deep in the sand, you’d be sweating from the heat of the earths core. Your son is looking at porn and his is masturbating. Shielding him from the “immodesty” of breastfeeding isn’t going to stop him from seeing breasts and getting aroused. And if you take him swimming, he’s going to see a lot more skin in a much more attractive package (which is to say, no baby blocking the view), so get the fuck over it.