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I Need Parenting Advice From Michelle Duggar

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I’ve seen so much hatred directed at Michelle Duggar for her extensive collection of children (and her burning desire to have just one more despite her rather advanced maternal age), her polarizing views on religion, courting, the role of men and women, you name it. I agree with some of it- I really don’t understand her way of thinking on many things and I think it’s sort of sad that she seems to value herself only as a maker of babies. However, my prevailing thoughts are usually centered around wondering how the ever-loving eff she does it?? Yes, I know- she has a passel of teenage daughters who help look after the little ones. But even so- she has 19 individual humans that she made and even if she only devotes 30 minutes total per day to each of them, that is pretty much all of her minutes! I only have two children so my questions are numerous for how she gets through typical parenting scenarios that I find to be challenging. I want to know how Michelle Duggar would counsel me on the following:

1. After School Insanity

There is always that special time between getting home and eating dinner where my kids are basically stalking me like feral cats- demanding drinks, snacks, assistance with butt wiping, homework, breaking up fights, the list goes on. It makes it feel like I have 60 kids instead of just two and I am pulled in every direction. I know the Duggars homeschool but I still cannot imagine how evenings flow with an entire classroom’s worth of kids- what does she do, make them take a number?

2. Bedtime

Our kids are five and six and sometimes, our bedtime routine from start to finish takes well over an hour and then there are the callbacks- one more sip of water, one more hug or kiss, identify that scary shadow, tell me again about where Spiderman lives- the requests are innumerable. I know a lot of her kids are older but even with just half a dozen under the age of ten, I feel like it would stretch for hours!

3. During a Stomach Virus

Oh, the dreaded puking/pooping plague. When my children are afflicted at the same time it plays out like a scene from The Walking Dead. Fluids everywhere, shrieks and cries, stains on every available surface, me hiding in a closet. Think of the logistics of 21 people in one household and a rampantly contagious stomach flu. I end up feeling like there are not enough towels in the world and I only have four people in my house. Despite the fact that they have a mini-laundromat on their family compound, it still takes a lot of time to do all that laundry. Ma Duggar, do you hire drifters off the street to come in and switch out the sheets?? Tell me your ways!!!

4. Christmas

Now I know they go by a far more modest budget than most of us and don’t have the same “needs” as a typical family in modern times but even with just $50 spent per kid that is still a small fortune and a lot of gift wrapping. I went through 75% of a block of Cracker Barrel Vermont Cheddar, an entire bottle of wine and managed to watch “Its A Wonderful Life” twice in a row and was still only half done wrapping the gifts for my children last year. Does she exist in a time warp where every minute counts as a whole day, in the manner of Santa? It boggles the mind!

5. Remembering Things

This is a big mish-mash because it blows me away how she does this- remembering the things your child is afraid of, their favorite books, what outfit has that button on it that digs into their sternum and they just can’t ever wear it again, what dinner they love on their birthday, etc. How do you remember all the finer points of 19 different people and still retain even a shred of available brain space? I know people giggle about her vacant-eyed stare and tranced-out demeanor but imagine how you would look if you had to keep track of life details for 19 people? I think I too would end up keeping the same hair-do for 20 years and going to my Happy Place while the chaos swirled around me.

So I salute you, Michelle Duggar. Whether we agree on much or not, I do have to admire the fact that every night, you go to bed worrying about 19 kids when I can hardly keep track of my two. You may in fact be full of super powers and maybe instead of judging you we should all start the slow clap that you haven’t packed your bags and ran away from home yet.

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  • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

    My first thought, just from the headline, is:

    No, no, you don’t.

    My second is:

    Go home, Valerie. You’re drunk!!!

    Now I have to go and actually read the piece. ;)

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I can’t slow clap for her. Quiverfull is just an icky movement to me that I can’t even pretend to. I’m closed-minded, apparently.

    • Elizabeth77

      Nope, totally agree with you. I just can’t promote anything to do with Quiverfull.

    • Valerie

      I’ve read that they say they are just Bible loving Christians and that they do not follow Quiverfull. Not sure it’s true but I have seen it in more than one source.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      They don’t self-identify as Quiverfull, but that’s the name of the whole “we’re a homeschooling, biblically literal, have a whole bunch of kids, and let our daughters court” movement. They can say “we are not Quiverfull” until they are blue in the face, but it’s a well-established fact that they followed Bill Gothard, a Quiverfull patriarch and homeschooling guru. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…you know how it goes. ;)

      Here’s a good link that talks about it from someone that escaped the Quiverfull movement and has some interesting insight on it.

      http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2010/03/nlq-faq-are-jim-bob-michelle-duggar-quiverfull/

    • Jem

      They definitely used to identify as quiverful. I remember watching this show when it was just TLC specials and heard that. I remember distinctly because I looked it up after hearing it on that show and I had never heard it before.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      There’s been a shift towards not identifying with certain terms because the mainstream culture has come to view them negatively. People that make the shift don’t seem to realize that it’s not the terms that are viewed negatively–it’s the ideas behind them. So if you ditch the terms and keep the ideas…well, you’re missing the point. *sighs*

    • JD

      My friend’s husband needed to finish up some college courses and ended up at a school that has a lot of Fundamentalist views…he is Catholic and very unfamiliar. One day during a math class he was prayed over and part of what the professor said was, “May you have a quiver full of arrows.” He was so creeped out because he thought the professor was basically saying, “Hope there is a lot of sperm in your balls.”

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      That is *exactly* what I would have heard too…creepy is right.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      I have a nephew who swears he’s not a hipster…but can’t listen to any song once it’s been played on the radio because the band has “sold out.” I have another nephew who claimed he wasn’t goth in high school, even though he wore all black and chains and mascara and hung out with the other totally not Goth kids all day. Denial. :)

    • Angela

      Actually, very few people will self-identify as Quiverfull, but the definition is any Christian who eschews birth control or any family planning method for religious reasons. Obviously the Duggars fit this description. A lot of fundamentalists are also trying to distance themselves from the term ‘patriarchal’ as well, especially since several well-known leaders have recently been exposed as sex offenders, but that doesn’t change the fact that their practices are extremely patriarchal.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      Including Bill Gothard, with you know, the 35 women that allege sexual harassment from him, while the Duggars continue to publicly support Life Principles (granted, he’s resigned, but still–I’d take that as a sign the ministry isn’t healthy, myself).

    • Angela

      Exactly! He and Doug Phillips are the main ones I was thinking about. I don’t think the Duggars are officially part of ATI leadership anymore, but they continue to speak at conferences and endorse the teachings.

    • The Actual Devil

      Yeah, my thoughts too. Don’t they practice blanket training, a la the Pearls? Not cool.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I don’t know that they’ve ever come out and said it, but I assume, honestly. The whole “be cheerful all the time” thing the kids have going on is suspicious to me in light of that whole train of thought. You know the Pearls–beat them until they smile. All.The.Time.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      According to this link I found, yes, they do. And she (Michelle) has advocated using rulers. For blanket training. I’m honestly incredibly disgusted.

      http://www.chicagonow.com/running-with-a-book-cart/2011/11/are-the-duggars-guilty-of-child-abuse/

    • Kelly

      Holy shit, blanket training is fucking disgusting.

      You entice the baby to leave the blanket and then hit them. Then continue to lure them off and hit them until they’re afraid to leave the blanket for any reason. Wow.

      That’s seriously what it is. I’m stunned. That’s horrible.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      I know. It really makes me look at the entire family way differently.

  • Bethany Ramos

    Great post! And mostly I just took away the Bethenny GIF. I love Bethenny. :)

    • Valerie

      And I love MY Bethany. :-)

    • Bethany Ramos

      Awwwww <3 you

    • TwentiSomething Mom

      That was hysterical because after 10pm thats how I really look

  • Alene

    I want to know what she did before she had teenagers to help. I’m not sure of their exact timeline, but there had to be a good 10 years where she was taking care of a litter of kids by herself. Just because I don’t agree with most (okay, almost all) of this woman’s values doesn’t mean I don’t have mad respect for keeping 19 people alive.

    • itpainsme2say

      Its really the fact that all of them have all their fingers and toes and limbs that impresses me because those kids play hard.

    • Dramatic Anti-Climax

      I come from a “culture” (not sure what to call it) of big families, and everyone says that after the first 6/7/8, everything is easy.

    • um

      She has church people/ friends to help her.

    • Kelly

      Apparently she smacked her infants with rulers until they were too afraid to move. That’s how she handled it. Jesus H. Christ…

  • SunnyD847

    Don’t they homeschool? So all those kids are home ALL DAY?

    • Valerie

      I knowwww. I would need All The Valium.

    • CW

      They use “Switched on Schoolhouse”, which is a computer software program. They also are not aiming for a true college prep education, especially for the girls. I don’t think it’s any worse than a lot of public schools but it’s pretty mediocre compared to what most HSers are doing.

    • gothicgaelicgirl

      They’re training them to be nothing but breeders..
      It’s so sad, you wonder what these girls could contribute to the world if they had a decent PROPER education.

  • Jennie Blair

    No, you really dont, just go to the zoo and pick a domesticated monkey, you’ll probably get better advice

  • Kendra

    Hooray for the Walking Dead gif…but minus one point for it being Lori.

  • Jen

    I wonder the same things!!! I am DROWNING here with my 3 kids, ages 4, 2 and 7 weeks. Hubby away for the night and I am sitting here trying to run scenarios as to the most efficient way to put them all to bed!!! And she has freaking 19 of them!!!!??? I do need some tips, though I am not sure I want them from her!

  • TwentiSomething Mom

    I’m sure it was a lot harder when she had 6 young kids rather than 19 kids with half of them being old enough to help out.

    • keelhaulrose

      That’s probably part of it. She has nineteen, but many of those nineteen are old enough to take care of themselves and help with the little kids/house. If I remember correctly a few have moved out as well. It’s not like it’s a house of nineteen three year olds.

  • Angela

    Okay, so I wasn’t raised Quiverfull myself but I am familiar with their practices and know quite a few people who emerged from this culture. The answers aren’t pretty. Basically the Duggars subscribe to a type of “discipline” which involves whipping children from infancy on up every time they cry, complain, demand attention, don’t instantly obey, or inconvenience their parents in any way. Michelle Duggar has openly endorsed something called blanket training to make babies more manageable. As soon as a baby learns to crawl or roll enough to become mobile the parent places the baby on a blanket and then smacks the baby’s legs with a ruler every time the baby ventures off the blanket. Eventually the baby will be so scared to leave the blanket that the mom can leave the baby there for hours while she goes about her household duties.

    Also, the idea of Quiverfull parents spending 30 minutes of one on one time with their children each day is laughable. Even in Quiverfull families where the parents are actively engaged with trying to connect with their kids (and not all of them are) they will generally connect with 3-4 at a time. In my experience, most kids raised Quiverfull will only remember a handful of one-on-one interactions (other than discipline sessions) with their parents unless they are the oldest and can remember before their mom was overwhelmed by kids, the youngest who’s still around after the others have left, or their parents experienced fertility issues.

    • itpainsme2say

      In the last few episodes the kids have been trying to put together a dinner theater for the parents and the girl Joy Anna was coaching the little kids to sing jeasus loves me by herself. Anyway when they would show them practicing the kids would get out of hand and Joy would shout at them “Obey”. It was really weird and every time she would say it i would flench because it was odd the way she talked to them, it made me feel like there was a lot of stuff that they left out of the show to keep it family friendly on the network.

    • ToastDon’tCare(aka LiteBrite)

      I just read your description of “blanket training.” Jesus H. Christ in a sidecar…..

    • Valerie

      Yes, that’s awful. :-(

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      Damn a new curse! Christ on a crutch, these are getting good! I need a list now!

    • Sara610

      I think it was on STFUParents that I first read “Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ”, and that’s now one of my favorites.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      That’s one of mine! I always comment on them but I gotta start writing them down!

    • The Actual Devil

      Blanket training makes me want to vomit. Really not okay.

      They put on a good show, but…

    • falcongirl

      That “blanket training” is really distressing.

    • http://overthecuckoonest.blogspot.com/ Kay_Sue

      Blanket training makes my skin crawl.

      I remember the excitement and joy my boys just…exuded, when they were finally mobile. They’d worked so hard on it. I can’t imagine taking that moment and turning it into fear and confusion. You don’t have to break your child. God, it’s awful.

      I honestly didn’t realize before this thread that the Duggars had openly endorsed it, but now I feel that all of my snark and disgust has been totally justified.

    • MLSKC

      I have a 1 y.o. who gets into everything, and the idea of breaking her spirit by whipping those cute chubby legs makes me cry:(

    • chickadee

      This is what sickens me about this show. The Duggars are not delightful people who happen to have 19 children. They use physically and mentally abusive methods to ensure compliant and outwardly cheerful children….and they make sure that the girls will have futures similar to the life of their mother.

    • Jem

      I was one of 7 and I have maybe 1-2 memories of one on one time with either of my parents,

    • Brittany Anne

      Yeah, I’m the oldest of six, and I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve had the undivided attention of either of my parents since I was maybe ten years old. It’s the single most important reason why my husband and I aren’t having more than two or three children.

    • gothicgaelicgirl

      that is horrific!!!

  • momma425

    Has anyone seen “The Devine Secrets of the Ya-ya Sisterhood” scene where the three kids are in the bathroom with the stomach flu, bodily fluids in every single direction, and the mother has a mental breakdown?
    This is pretty much how I would probably handle things if I had 19 kids sick. Or more than just the one child I have right now sick at the same time. Gross to the Nth degree, and I would be spending some time doing electric shock therapy or something equally horrific to just forget the whole entire thing.

    • Karen Milton

      I do electroshock therapy. It’s not nearly as horrific as you’d think.

  • Andrea

    I gotta tell you Valerie, I highly HIGHLY doubt she does even a 3rd of these things by herself.

  • CW

    I’m Christian, fairly conservative, and homeschool my children, but the Duggers are not the ones I’d look towards for advice. I want to know how Joyce Swann managed to get 10 kids to finish a true college prep high school program early and have almost all of them earn graduate degrees before the age of 18. And yes, that includes the girls as well.

    • Kelly

      Yeah, that’s a lot more impressive. I homeschool one and he’s just about done with high school at 13 and ready to start college but I don’t think I could do this nine more times. I’m kind of exhausted already.

  • falcongirl

    I don’t think Michelle Duggar does any of those things. My mom had four kids in six years and pretty much did do all those things. She had her tubes tied after the fourth because she said she just didn’t think that there was any way that she could actively parent any more than that. I just don’t think it’s possible for Michelle to know more than the barest details about most of her children or to have had more than a handful of conversations with any of the children, particularly the middle ones. You don’t want advice from this woman.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      Yeah, it’s essentially a classroom full of kids. And in every classroom, there’s some that get lots of attention, and some that get nil.

    • Jem

      This. My mom had 5 under 7 (and then went on to have 2 more). I was smack dab in the middle and never got much attention from my mom (single mom). She always said “well you just don’t need it as much as your brothers” because I seemed to be well adjusted and doing fine, so she relished attention on the ones who “needed it”. Now this constant lack of attention has messed up my relationship with her to this day. I realize she was spread a little thin here and she was doing what she thought was right, but it still sucked. I hate when people say “well love doesn’t divide, it multiplies! so lots of kids is just fine!” it’s just not true.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      There are some good kid in my class that do just what they’re supposed to…but nothing extra and are shy. Because of that I am feeling guilty because they’re about to leave and I feel as if I barely know them at all. That bothers me.

  • Diane Harrison

    Being somewhat familiar with their family (I live nearby and know some of the older girls), I don’t think they’re Quiverfull precisely. There are many people/denominations who just believe God will give you as many kids as you should have and whether it’s none or 19, it’s a blessing. My Mom grew up in the same denomination as they did and I grew up in the progressive version of their religion…only difference is I didn’t have to wear the long skirts, except during summer while at church camp (which sucked). I don’t personally have a clue as to how they sleep train their kids (in response to all the people referencing the Pearl’s), but the girls I know sure as heck don’t go around acting like poor, beaten, abused kids…they are actually some of the most kind, well-mannered, and polite people you’ll ever meet…and yes, even when there are no cameras. I personally don’t live their lifestyle and I have no desire to, but there is no denying they are really decent people.

    • Kelly

      I was horrifically abused and I’ve never walked around acting like a poor, beaten, abused person, whatever the hell that means.

      What does that mean anyways? Do you really think abuse victims are so easy to identify? We’re actually often impossible to identify. If I didn’t tell you I was abused, you’d never have a clue.

    • val97

      This. My husband was beaten as discipline for much of his childhood. He is smart, charismatic, funny, successful, and the only clue anyone would have is that he hasn’t spoken to his stepfather in 10 years. Also, his stepfather doesn’t “look” like someone who abused his kids, whatever that looks like. I’ve only met him a few times, but he seems very laid back and charming.

  • Ursi

    Ehhh I don’t actually know what she does in her life or how she handles her kids. But I’m pretty nonchalant about ridiculous numbers of children. Can you feed another baby? Then have another baby and God bless. I just don’t think what she’s done is a crime against humanity or anything.

  • Kelly

    Oh yeah, she’s the best mom ever… Until one of her kids commits suicide over the shame of being gay or having their purity destroyed by rape.

  • Marie

    I think if you asked her how she does any of the things on your list she wouldn’t have an answer, because she is not the one who does them.

  • http://wtfihaveakid.blogspot.ca/ jendra_berri

    Free Jinger!

    • Sara610

      Am I the only one who always says Jinger in my head like it rhymes with “ringer”? I know it’s pronounced Ginger, but I just can’t adjust to the spelling.

  • Em

    And yet STILL finds time to support a cause that could affect the reproductive rights of so many women? Michelle- have another 2 dozen and get busy enough to mind your OWN uterus.

  • shorty_RN

    I know they all seem clean, well-fed, and in good health, but I feel so damn bad for those kids. I doubt she gives them each half an hour of attention each day. Children need direct, loving interaction with their parents. I just don’t see how it’s possible for her and her husband to give those kids the attention they need.

  • Rachel Sea

    Piece of cake, you just beat your kids until they are perfectly compliant in the name of Jesus.

    • Diana

      Works for me!

    • Diana

      Kidding BTW

  • A-M

    Well she never really looks after 19 ‘kids’ because by the time the middle children were born, the older ones were no longer little children who needed looking after in quite such a hands-on fashion. Not only that, but they essentially become helpers.
    My mother is the youngest of 13, and by the time she was born her eldest 2 or 3 siblings were adult and had moved out. I know my grandmother worked hard, but it’s not like she had a whole herd of pre-schoolers to handle all at once. Siblings also learn at a very young age that you just have to take turns and huge tantrums don’t get you anywhere because clearly mum can’t physically be at your beck and call all the time. I’m pretty sure my gran never relied on the blanket method for discipline though. Inherent grumpiness is a common family trait!

  • Sara610

    So, aside from my misgivings about having 20+ children in a world that was already overpopulated, I’ve always been sort of “live and let live” about the Duggars. They seemed to have their act together, and although their lifestyle may not be what I would choose, I wasn’t about to judge them for living differently from myself.

    But reading the stuff about the blanket training, etc……. holy crap, that is disturbing. Combined with some of the quotes that I’ve read about their views on women and sexuality, I just can’t get on board. And the idea that they’re being rewarded with a reality show and some sort of “fame”….I have to wonder if TLC knew about any of this when they started the “19 Kids and Counting” show.

    • diana

      They don’t blanket train they use the ‘still and quiet’ method..

  • diana

    She doesn’t actually blanket train she does this

    http://duggarsblog.blogspot.ie/2012/01/quiet-and-still-teaching-self-control.html?m=1

    I have to wonder how she enforces the rule? Or maybe she has enough authority that she doesn’t have to?

    I’m actually not against the idea of teaching young kids to obey their parents. (I wish more would) Its the method that bothers me.

    • Sara610

      This doesn’t sound at all like blanket training. Teaching older children to use self-control, follow directions the first time and be able to sit quietly when needed are all fairly common and if that were the extent of their disciplinary tactics, I doubt they would be facing this level of scrutiny.

      If she was ever involved with blanket training (and it sounds like she was, although any online evidence of it has been erased), that’s a very different animal. Especially when you get into hitting-infants-with-a-ruler territory.

    • diana

      The interest being what it is. I find it hard to believe they could erase all online content pertain to it. This smacks a little of a witch hunt… ironic since they are the fundimentalist Christians. Personally I think its more abusive to expose your kids on a reality show than pretty much anything else.

    • Sara610

      Well, I agree with you there–I don’t think anyone should be on a reality show who isn’t old enough to make an independent, informed decision about the benefits and costs.

  • Shelly Lloyd

    A relative of mine wanted to be Quiverfull. After her fourth child she was diagnosed with the beginning stages of ovarian cancer. As most of you know ovarian cancer is a killer, and it runs in our family. Thankfully they had discovered it at a very early stage and the doctor felt that since she had already had 4 children the best course of action would be to go ahead and remove her ovaries. After researching all the different options–chemo, radiation …etc she decided to allow the doctor to remove both of her ovaries. It was a heart breaking decision for her since she was only 29 at the time and had hoped for more children.
    Do you think her Quiverfull sisters at church would have been supportive? Nope. Not one of them was nice to her. They all counseled her to keep her ovaries and most of them even went so far as to tell her to seek no treatment other than prayer since chemo and other forms of treatment would have most likely left her sterile anyways. Yep. just try to pray the deadly cancer away because if you loose your ability to make more babies you might as well be dead anyways.
    The men in the church counseled her husband the same way, going even further to suggest that since he was the man of the home it was his responsibility to put his foot down and make her keep her ovaries. If she died, God would provide him with a new wife and mother to his children. Yes, they really told him that.
    Thankfully, they realized how fucked up that church and movement was and got out of it quick. She had the surgery and so far has been in remission for the last 10 years.

    • Sara610

      AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH this makes me so ragey.

    • Spongeworthy

      Christ on a cracker, there is so much wrong with that story it’s making my head spin. So glad your relative got out and is doing well.

    • G.S.

      “The men in the church counseled her husband the same way, going even further to suggest that since he was the man of the home it was his responsibility to put his foot down and make her keep her ovaries. If she died, God would provide him with a new wife and mother to his children.”

      Fuck, that’s chilling. I know it’s redundant and pointless as hell to say this, but OMG! DOES THE FACT THAT SHE’S A FELLOW HUMAN BEING WITH A SOUL AND PERSONAGE REGISTER WITH ANYONE HERE?! You can’t just sentence people to death and talk about replacing them as if they were a couch like that!

    • Kelly

      They don’t see women as human beings. That’s the saddest part. Their wives are not people they love, they’re just tools they believe were given to them by God.

      If one breaks, you throw it away and God will issue you a new one. This is why Michelle Duggar is freaking out and seeing fertility doctors even after giving her husband 19 children. She’s still expendable. She always will be.

    • G.S.

      You’re right, that is the saddest part. I used up all my rage and heartbreak over on the fertility doctor post on crushable, though, so now I’m just kind of hollow.

      Seriously, I REFUSE to believe that God would go to all the trouble to create billions upon billions of unique, wonderful, caring, talented spirits and put them on this earth just to turn around and say, “Yeah, you ladies don’t matter as people. I just threw you down here so the menfolk can sire sons and more not-people to make more sons when they grow up. Oh, and you have to raise the kids and do all the housework, since I went out of my way to make sure that they’re physically and mentally incapable of doing it. And seriously, what else can you do all day?” (Trying to understand why an all-loving God would think it fit to send people down there instead of having them all suffer from infertility is impossible though.)

      And not to go all religious bible study up in here, but in the church I was raised in, the belief was that only men could obtain the priesthood because women were born with that same spiritual connectedness already. Like, you know that “sixth sense” that women seem to have that men don’t? Like when you know to stay the hell away from something, or that you have to go to a certain place or call a certain person RIGHT NOW? That’s considered straight-up Divine Intervention. I swear, I met my dearest best friend through it, and it was so strong I almost fell over. And even though it’s a religion that really pushes the idea that getting married and having a family (as EQUALS) is the best thing ever, it has no problem with contraception, and the idea is, “have as many as you feel comfortable with and can handle” instead of, “CRANK ‘EM OUT LIKE NO TOMORROW!”

  • CMP414

    From what I see on the show I don’t think she spends even 30 minutes a day with any of her kids that are not in utero or nursing. She is totally awkward when she is with her older kids. She also doesn’t seem to do much around the house either. I guess that’s why she has so much time to get her hair so crunchy.

  • Frannie

    She also has her older kids to help watch the younger ones, so it’s not like she’s doing it all herself.

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