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Hobby Lobby’s Employees Will Have To Fashion Their Birth Control Out Of Modge Podge And Doilies

1013409_10151723154091425_910767554_nHobby Lobby – famous purveyor of worthless crap – doesn’t want to pay for its employees birth control. They are a religious company and they are very offended by emergency contraceptives and also IUD’s. My eyes are rolling so far back in my head right now it’s going to be hard to finish this article.

Their case has actually gone to the U.S. Supreme Court where it is under review today. Hobby Lobby said that it would have to pay more than $1 million a day in fines if it violates the Affordable Care Act as written. Well I have an idea! Don’t violate it.

The Affordable Care Act states that companies need to provide health care that covers all forms of contraception at no cost. But the owners of Hobby Lobby filed a lawsuit and said that this conflicts with their religious beliefs. When did it start being okay for companies to have “religious beliefs?” Companies are not people. Does Hobby-Lobby also have a personality and interests? Does anyone else see how ridiculous this is?

From CBS:

“It’s our rights that are being infringed upon, to require us to do something that’s against our conscience,” stated Hobby Lobby co-owner David Green.

“It’s not about whether women can take it or not. We’re not trying to control that,” explained Hobby Lobby co-owner Barbara Green. “We’re just trying to control our participation in it.”

Shut up. These are independent adults trying to access services that our country has legislated you are required to provide. These aren’t your children. You aren’t “participating” in their sex life here, any more than you are “participating” if a satanic cult uses your exquisite velvet ribbon to sew pentagrams on their cloaks. Nobody cares how you feel about it – it doesn’t matter.

If companies are allowed to discriminate against things like the type of birth control their employees are allowed to have covered – what else will they be able to weigh in on in the future? This trajectory needs to be stopped in its tracks. They are only opposed to certain drugs and devices. They don’t want to cover emergency contraception or IUD’s. What? That doesn’t even make sense. Why no IUD’s? What’s next, they’ll cover Trojans but not the kinds that give women “extra pleasure?” They’ll cover dental dams, but not the bubble gum flavored ones? Why would it possibly matter what type of birth control the Hobby Lobby is okay with?

I’m just going to pretend like this isn’t happening until the Supreme Court rules that this case is a bunch of crap.

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  • Bethany Ramos

    Yes, this title is the best.

  • EmmaFromÉire

    Evidently their philosophy for female birth control is good old fashioned ”Do not Touch.” And we all know how that ends.
    http://31.media.tumblr.com/68034e4ed4f6a00f473c33cf09cc8f62/tumblr_mz1q120QqJ1rjte86o1_400.gif

    • noelle 02

      Iud’s prevent implantation, not fertilization. Same with emergency contraception, I believe. Hobby lobby doesn’t want to provide contraception unless it prevents fertilization because they believe life begins when egg is fertilized by sperm.

  • Amelia

    I can understand a religious institution not wanting to pay – I don’t agree with it, but I can understand. But Hobby Lobby is a craft store – not a church.

    • EmmaFromÉire

      There was a craft shop here in Dublin who refused to make invitations for a civil ceremony. You’re a craft shop, it’s not like there’s monumental demand for the latest coloured paper, take the business!

  • CrazyFor Kate

    I’m sorry, but this should be completely and utterly illegal. Why is so much of the US still stuck in this backwards Puritan mentality? Why is it your employer’s business at all what you do with your lady bits?

    • Joye77

      I can’t figure any of this out, I can only assume half of the U.S. is crazy. It’s embarrassing and frustrating as an American progressive woman. It’s seems there isn’t a lot of me around here.

  • Larkin

    I’ve never understood this argument. Does this mean that a religious company could also get an exemption from providing maternity care for unwed mothers, or treatment for STD’s because they were probably contracted by someone who was “sleeping around”? Also, what makes Hobby Lobby a religious company, exactly? Because the CEO and some other executives are a certain religion? Not remotely the same as an actual religious organization (which, for the record, I still think should have to cover birth control no matter what).

    • CMJ

      Exactly, this could set a horrible precedent.

    • shel

      How about people who don’t believe in psychiatry? Can they refuse to pay for ADHD meds, or anti-depressants or things like that??
      They can’t pick and chose which types of medications are covered. I wonder what Hobby Lobby’s thoughts are on covering things like viagra or cialis…

    • shel

      And truly, they aren’t paying for it. Employees are still paying a premium for their healthcare, even if their employer is paying for a portion of it.
      That’s how healthcare works, we all pay in a bunch, and the money is used where it needs to be used. Whether that’s for the smoker’s respiratory care/cancer treatment, or the obese persons heart surgery, or some birth control.

    • K.

      And if they were Jehovah’s Witnesses, does that mean they don’t have to pay for blood transfusions? Man, we ought to be glad they’re not Christian Scientists–no medicine for anyone!

      You make a very good point–as business owners, you can be religious. A COMPANY, however is comprised of not just its owners, but employees as well. A for-profit company cannot be “religious.”

  • keelhaulrose

    Most of the crap they sell comes from China, which isn’t exactly a shining beacon of anti birth control morals or the pro-life agenda.
    They’ll be happy to sell it if it makes them a buck, but if it might cost them money…

    • HoolieB

      I was going to say the same thing!! The hypocrisy makes my head hurt.

  • CMJ

    Here’s my question – how is this not discriminatory? They are only looking at one medication and saying they won’t cover it – Birth Control. Only women take birth control.

    From Mother Jones:
    In December 2000, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ruled that companies that provided prescription drugs to their employees but didn’t provide birth control were in violation of Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prevents discrimination on the basis of sex. That opinion, which the George W. Bush administration did nothing to alter or withdraw when it took office the next month, is still in effect today—and because it relies on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, it applies to all employers with 15 or more employees. Employers that don’t offer prescription coverage or don’t offer insurance at all are exempt, because they treat men and women equally—but under the EEOC’s interpretation of the law, you can’t offer other preventative care coverage without offering birth control coverage, too.

  • TngldBlue

    Corporations became people when the Supreme Court afforded Constitutional protection to Citizens United. This whole case is absurd but I have sinking feeling HL is going to win. Either way it will be precedent setting.

  • K.

    This one makes me so angry.

    1. Hobby Lobby already offered healthcare plans that included birth control BEFORE ACA. Let’s not kid ourselves, first of all: this is about money, not about religion.

    2. What’s next? I “religiously object” to child labor laws? Discrimination laws?Americans with Disabilities Act? Corporate taxes?

    3. If Hobby Lobby is so fucking religious then they are familiar with gluttony and sloth being mortal sins? So I suppose Lipitor and heart surgery are off the table too, right?

    4. …and for that matter, what about your greed, Hobby Lobby?

    Owning a business does not give you the right to impose your practices or views on your employees. If you feel that the laws in this country cause you to run your business in a way that violates your religious convictions, then you’d better find another business (or another country). By the same token, I, as an employee, cannot cite “religious convictions” if they are in direct violation of the responsibilities of the job. I am a teacher. I couldn’t say I have religious objections to gay people and then declare that I refuse to interact with gay students AND expect to keep my job. I’d either have to accept the rules or go find another job.

    And on that note, coming from a family of Quakers who practically invented conscientious objection, it’s really fucking offensive that a corporation wants to use something sacred to save a few bucks—because plenty of people in my family HAVE decided they can’t play by the rules and HAVE gone and found other jobs and have done time in prison and have found themselves in court. Conscientious objection is not a game and it often comes with severe consequences—that’s what makes it a sacred act. So fuck you, Hobby Lobby.

    I don’t shop at Hobby Lobby, but I hope that NO ONE ever will again, no matter how the Supreme Court rules. What they’re doing is despicable. And besides, no one needs that crap anyway.

    • Keith

      They don’t seem to mind selling Chinese crap made in sweat shops by women that are forced to have abortions if they already have one child. It is not about morals or religion.

    • Sara610

      Good point.

    • K.

      Right, which is what I said.

      So infuriating, what they’re doing!

    • Joye77

      When this entire nonsense began I decided I will never shop at Hobby Lobby ever. Now I notice I have friends that keep Facebook posting “I stand with Hobby Lobby for Religious rights” or some nonsense. Sigh. I’m scared for the future of intelligent humans.

  • Kay_Sue

    “Does Hobby-Lobby also have a personality and interests?”

    Hoppy Lobby enjoys long, moonlit walks on the beach, with the feel of the seafoam in its hair. It also enjoys pina coladas and getting caught in the rain. It’s not into health food, but it is into champagne.

  • Allyx Kelley

    It became okay for companies (re: corporations) to have religious beliefs when they were granted personhood by the government of the United States. Citizens United lobbied and pushed, and got our country to recognize corporations as people, thus granting them the same rights any human has, including the right to religious freedom.

    • NYBondLady

      yup.

  • itpainsme2say

    How would my ovarian cysts and the steps I take to prevent the pain that comes from them infringe upon their religious beliefs? They wouldn’t but guess what thats why
    I and many other women take birth control. It isn’t always about sex but if it is it still isn’t your business.

    • MerlePerle

      This is what kills me about the discussion. i started taking the pill at 11 because my cramps had gotten so bad I missed school 4 days every month! I didn’t become sexually active until much much later. It’s an actual medication and the reason why I take it is between me and my doctor, thanks a lot!

    • Kelly

      I had the same experience. I missed a week of school every month and even had to be taken to the hospital by ambulance because I passed out at school multiple times.

      But oh, I’m just a whore for taking birth control. How offensive I am to religious people for not wanting to be extremely ill for 25% of my life.

    • K.

      You medicine whore, you. Look at you, trying to be all productive and shit.

    • itpainsme2say

      Exactly you two and the people like us are why whenever I come across this debate I always comment something like the above because I always read down the comments and find the “I have the right to have protected sex” crowd but rarely does someone say “Yes but I also have the right to not feel pain”. I think people should point out more that its not just about religious preference because there are more people than you think that have to deal with the things we did every month. Thank you for commenting and sharing your struggle.

  • Boots

    it still blows my mind that an employer has anything to say about an employees health (i’m in Aus). i can’t imagine my boss having any knowledge, let alone input, into my health needs. too scary to be under that kind of control – what else can they regulate? maybe start demanding all women take regualr birth control so they all match their cycles up to cut down on the PMS time and only have to buy chocolate biscuits once per month, rather than all the time??

    • NYBondLady

      Maybe Hobby Lobby should just get rid of the health insurance benefit for their employees, and let the government “regulate” people instead. Employer, government- what is the difference?

  • MLSKC

    If Hobby Lobby is a person, then Hobby Lobby would have a throat. Ergo, I could throat punch them for their stupidity.

    As an aside, how is it financially smart to not cover birth control? Because it seems a whole lot cheaper to cover some pills versus pregnancies and more dependants.

  • Véronique Houde

    Imagine if a CEO of a company were a Jehova’s Witness and decided that allowing his employees to get blood transfusions done when they are in the hospital are against his values – so he tries to get the insurance company to refuse to pay for any treatment that might include a transfusion. I mean, how ridiculous can this get, really… Once you open the door to companies deciding what is medically best for their employees by refusing medical coverage, there really is no way to stop it.

    I just don’t see how things have gotten this ridiculous in America. This is something you would NEVER see in canada. Even though we have nationalized health care, our medication is covered by our private insurance, which is provided for by our jobs (if we don’t have private health care the government covers it), and I don’t think it would be even legal for my employer to know what kind of medications that their employees are using. All they know is how much their employees are spending on the services that they receive through their healthcare coverage because that affects the amount that the company will be paying the insurance coverage.

    Logically, shouldn’t things be the same in the US? Then how in the world would a CEO feel like he is part of the decision making process, if he doesn’t even know what kind of medications that people are using in his company? UGH. thank god i don’t live down there….

    • pixie

      Technically not ALL insurance plans provided by employers cover birth control, my mom’s doesn’t. It has a ton of perks, just for some reason doesn’t cover BC (it could just be the insurance company they’re with). My dad’s does, however, so it’s really a non-issue for me (yay student under 25!).

      But you also don’t hear a huge complaint over companies having to include BC coverage in their plans. I think most do, I know when I worked for Superstore I had it covered. It’s not legal for employers to know what meds you’re on, but things get covered mostly according to the insurance providers that the company chooses to use. There’s also not as loud of protesting over these issues up here. I have heard anti-abortion comments (and even those were still in favour of medically necessary life-saving procedures, if the baby was very sick in utero or some other condition that made it unable to live outside the womb for very long, dead, or a product of rape or incest), but I have never heard anything against contraceptive. (Sex before marriage, yes, but not contraceptives in and of themselves)

    • Kelly

      My insurance usually doesn’t cover birth control either. However, I have medical issues and taking hormonal birth control helps me deal with those issues so my insurance does cover it. Because if I didn’t have it, I’d be in the hospital in crippling pain every month. I’ve had lots of different insurance policies over the years and none have ever denied me because I NEED it.

      That’s something these asshole companies don’t seem to understand. Birth control isn’t always just about stopping babies from being made. There are people who actually need it just to function and stay healthy.

      Taking away my birth control would literally cripple me. What’s the point of even paying for insurance if I have to be in horrible pain all of the time and repeatedly hospitalized because someone else has some weird moral hangup? There’s no way it should be legal for someone to deny me the medical care I pay for because it makes them uncomfortable. That is insane and should be a crime.

    • pixie

      Oh yeah, I get that. The difference between the situation in my mom’s place of work and here is my mom’s work isn’t going and saying “we don’t want to pay for this, it’s against our morals”, the insurance company her work uses for some reason just doesn’t cover it. But I also believe they don’t cover ED prescriptions, either. From what I understand, there’s no weird moral hangup about them not wanting to provide it. I originally went on it as a teenager for similar reasons to you, just not as severe. And my mom only has power over her own personal policy to choose what she wants included and not included, if that wasn’t clear. She works for a bank and isn’t all that high up to be making decisions for everyone’s health insurance packages (plus she’s not in HR).

      I’m not sure where you are, but I’m in Canada, like Veronique (though we’re in different provinces) so we have nationalized healthcare and what isn’t covered by your province, you mostly get through your work. There are some instances where you’ll have to pay no matter what, such as the HPV vaccine is rarely covered (all the other regular ones are, though), but a lot of things are covered either through work or through the government. Very few people have need to purchase their own health insurance plans. Plus, here, anything given in the hospital is covered by the government. Need an MRI? Covered. Need to stay for a bit? You won’t get a bill.

      Edit: and I’m sure how much BC costs without insurance in the US, but where I am it’s around $40 for 3 21- or 28-day packs. Not cheap, but it could be worse.

    • Kelly

      It’s the principal of it. I have insurance. I need birth control to be healthy and able to work. I should not have to go spend $40 a month to purchase it and I will fight anyone who tries to make me do that.

      I already pay $500 a month for my health insurance. If my employer decided to force my insurance to drop my birth control coverage, I’d let myself get sick and let them pay thousands in ER visits and hospitalization charges until they came to their senses. Let them try to fire me for being in the hospital and missing work too. I’ll sue the living shit out of them for it.

    • pixie

      Oh yeah, I get that. I’m not arguing with you. It should be covered especially since you, and many others, need it for a medical reason (though it should still be covered regardless, IMO).
      Both my mom and I think it’s crazy that it isn’t covered and that it should be covered. Especially for people like you who really need it for a medical reason. It’s shitty that there’s a way for companies to get out of providing coverage for certain things in the US due to “religious reasons”, though I’ve never heard of that happening up here. And $40/month for BC is crazy, especially on top of $500/month for insurance. *shudder*

    • Kelly

      Yeah, I agree.There isn’t really a way for a company to do this yet. They’re trying to do it. If it is allowed, it’s only a matter of time before someone like me sues the shit out of a major company and collects a huge settlement. Once the lawsuits start flooding in, all this shit will stop.

  • Momma425

    Wait, why do we hate on IUD’s
    and not the patch, the ring, nexplanon, and birth control pills? I don’t understand…

    I’m not kidding, not covering
    birth control is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Birth control prescriptions are given out for
    a variety of different reasons- period control, acne, endometriosis. Deciding not to cover birth control because
    or moral or religious oppositions would be like:

    Antibiotics are used to treat a
    variety of different infections. Ear
    infections, strep throat, sinus infections.
    But they are also used to treat the clap.

    I am opposed to infidelity.

    Therefore, I don’t think
    antibiotics should be covered because some people might be cheating on their
    spouses, getting STI’s, and treating them with antibiotics.

    I am religiously and morally
    opposed to antibiotics.

    A company provides benefits to
    employees as part of compensation for the job that they do. A company does not get to determine how that
    employee uses such medical benefits. It
    is none of the company’s business if I am taking antibiotics because I have
    strep throat, or if I’m taking them from getting STI’s from sleeping
    around. It’s none of the company’s
    business if I have acne that I would like to be treated with birth control, or
    if I am having sex and would not like to get pregnant at this time.

    • Kelly

      EXACTLY! THANK YOU!

    • kate

      the patch, pill and hormonal methods are different than an IUD. hormonal birth control suppresses ovulation. an IUD prohibits an already fertilized egg from implanting. this is an important distinction for some.

    • Guest

      This is exactly what Hobby Lobby is arguing. There are 20 forms of birth control covered by ACA and they are covering 16.

    • CMJ

      My biggest problem is that they DID cover all of them before some special interest group mentioned it to them….and then they were all up in arms about being made to cover something they already covered.

    • Buggy

      They never covered the IUDs – they did not MEAN to cover the ECs, although they did for a short time. When that was brought to their attention (when they were discussing their being forced to choose a plan that included IUDs), it was mentioned that they didn’t want to cover EC either, the owners said “no we don’t” and were told they did. Oops. Again, they didn’t MEAN to cover the ECs, which can only be covered if a script is written anyways. But they never have covered the IUDs.

    • Lauren

      But hormonal birth control can also prevent implantation if fertilization occurs, so that argument doesn’t really make sense. If you read the inserts to any BC, it will tell you that.

    • SusannahJoy

      They don’t want to cover the morning after pill or IUD’s because those don’t prevent contraception, they prevent implantation and therefore pregnancy, but in their mind, once sperm meets egg it’s a person, so those particular forms are basically abortions.

      Which is obviously stupid, but that’s what they say. I actually got into an argument with a former Facebook friend over this. She said that forcing a company to pay for something that goes against their beliefs is discrimination, and that’s not ok, that because it’s their company they can do whatever they want, even if their belief is that black people (for example) aren’t deserving of their goods, so they should also be able to refuse service or refuse to hire anyone based on things like race and religion and etc.

      Because, you know, that’s not discriminatory or anything.

      I unfriended her pretty quickly.

  • Shadow guest

    If you have such a problem with the way HL runs it’s business then you can choose NOT to “participate” in shopping there. Jeez no one is MAKING you go there.

    • SunnyD847

      Oh, believe me, I don’t. But their employees may not have as much choice. Jobs are hard to come by these days, even crappy ones.

    • Shadow guest

      Planned parenthood up the road $5 per month for the (30) pill – 25 cent per condom? Condoms at Walmart $7.00? Telling him to put on a condom (free)? Raising a child $200K?

    • Kelly

      Right, so fuck all the time I’ve spent with my doctor finding the right medications to keep my medical condition under control. Fuck the medical care I pay a shit ton of money for.

      I’m supposed to walk into a clinic and talk to some random person for a few minutes who doesn’t know or care about my medical history and cross my fingers and hope they give me something that works? Seriously?

      How the fuck would you feel if you had a serious medical condition and were told you couldn’t see your doctor about it because a random stranger you’ve never met had a moral objection to you getting treatment for it? Would you seriously be ok with going to a free clinic and receiving substandard care when you pay monthly for insurance?

      I fucking doubt it.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ohladyjayne allisonjayne

      so…we shouldn’t criticize or call attention to anything we find problematic because..we have choices or something?

  • Frannie

    “If yer gunna werk at Hobby Lobby, yer GUNNA ovulate, and yer gunna LIKE IT.”

    • Joye77

      Yay ‘Murica!

  • NYBondLady

    Maybe, just maybe, Hobby Lobby is making the greater point that the ACA is a complete sham and unconstitutional in itself. If the SC decides that HL doesn’t have to provide BC (i.e., not pay for it, not actually prevent its employees from showing up at the drugstore to buy it themselves), then it opens a greater argument:
    can the government really force a company to provide costly benefits that the government has deemed necessary? How can healthcare be imposed on an individual? How can the costs be imposed on one “person” for the benefit of another?

    • Mel

      Oh good grief. The government imposes restrictions on us all the time for our own protection and for the protection of others. You have to be insured in case you hit someone with your car. You have to be insured in case your home burns down so that you still have a place to live and don’t sleep on the streets. You have to have health insurance so that when you get sick, and you WILL get sick or hurt, you can pay for yourself instead of being a burden on your local hospital. You have to pay SS taxes because you WILL get old and need a way to eat and keep your lights on. Grow up, get your damn health insurance, and stop crying. Hell, I pay the same amount of taxes as someone with kids, yet I’m not taking advantage of the public school system. I’m happy to do it. It’s part of the social contract. If you don’t like it, please feel free to move away or live in a cave.

    • CMJ

      The ACA was upheld by the Supreme Court….that is the very meaning of constitutional.

      And Hobby Lobby was asked to join the lawsuit by some interest group. They covered ALL of these things before and only realized they didn’t want to when it was brought to their attention. Hobby Lobby is a sham.

    • gothicgaelicgirl

      Methinks this one is either a conspiracy theorist or else a government spy…

      *shifty eyes*

      <..>

    • kate

      I have no idea why health benefits are provided by employers in the first place. We have about 50 insurance policies, 49 of which I buy in a free market. If my car insurance was forcibly tied to my employer, I would not be surprised for them to have rules about my driving habits and what they would cover/not cover, what kind of car I drive, etc.

      This weird hybrid system (and now add the government, aren’t we smart!) is to blame for the conflict, IMHO. We can get all up in arms and get emotional- but it’s not going to solve anything. There are all kinds of issues with the current system. I mean, am pregnant and just had a $4000.00 blood test. I shit you not.

    • K.

      First of all, the Supreme Court has ruled that ACA is constitutional. ACA has been challenged legislatively and legally and it emerged unscathed.

      And to answer your question: Yes, the government can indeed force a corporation to provide “costly benefits” that the government–ie, representatives that have been elected by the people (because you’re using “government” as if it’s like a building walking around and doing shit)–has deemed necessary.

      You know what else the government can and has forced corporations to do that are “costly benefits”?
      - install ramps and handicapped parking and provide necessary accommodations for disabled employees
      - maintain safety standards for workers
      - offer the 8-hour workday, with overtime for hourly employees
      - hire temporary replacements for women on maternity leave
      - use appropriate hazardous waste disposal methods and not simply dump shit wherever they want
      - pay people a certain amount at minimum
      - make employees wear hairnets and gloves during food preparation and not allow kitchens to be roach-infested

      …there’s about a million more.

  • gothicgaelicgirl

    Tell you what then, I’ll open my love cave, get pregnant cos you won’t help cover my contraception, and YOU can raise the child.

    No?
    Hmm… doesn’t seem fair does it?

    • NYBondLady

      How about you just worry about you, get your own contraception, and take some responsibility for your own choices?

    • Mel

      Ooooooweeeee! We’ve got a live one here, folks!

    • Kelly

      How about you just stay the fuck out of my vagina? I pay a lot of money for my medical insurance. I need hormonal birth control to function. Yeah, it sure as hell should fucking cover it.

      It’s like the example about antibiotics above. It’s all funny to be snarky about it until they decided something YOU need to live is morally wrong.

    • NYBondLady

      You have the right and opportunity to seek the health care and insurance and suits your needs. You do not have the right to demand that health insurance, provided as a benefit, conform to your needs. You want HL to stay out of your vagina? Fine, then they should not provide health insurance at all. You can take care of it yourself, I guess.

    • K.

      Oh, I’m sorry–healthcare shouldn’t conform to my needs?

      Please define for me then, what the fuck is healthcare if it doesn’t serve an individual’s needs?

      BC is a common, everyday basic need that should be covered under basic healthcare. It is not an experimental cancer treatment or elective surgery. And if you want to take on “lifestyle” drugs, then you’d better rethink cholesterol drugs, migraine medications, high-blood pressure drugs and blood thinners, diabetes medications, arthritis medications, antidepressants, glaucoma medications, respiratory care, allergy treatments…

    • NYBondLady

      I’m not talking about lifestyle drugs. I don’t care about the BC over any other drug, per se. All I am saying is that if you expect someone ELSE to pay for YOUR healthcare, then your choices will be limited. If you want to pay for your OWN HEALTHCARE then go out and find one that suits your needs.

    • Lindsey

      Yeah, it’s absolutely ridiculous to imagine that Hobby Lobby would actually provide health care that covers health issues…
      Hobby Lobby and you do not have the right to mandate what health insurance can cover or not cover. What if Hobby Lobby’s owner were a Jehovah Witness, would you be alright with him demanding not to pay for blood transfusions?

    • shel

      They are paying for it, employers are only paying a portion, but the individuals are still paying for it… and it is part of their compensation for working there, so yes, it should fit the needs of the people paying for the service.
      I agree that it’s unfortunate our healthcare system is tied to employment, but the single payer system was turned down, so this was the best the government could come up with. But it’s not appropriate for an employer to pick and choose what kind of healthcare they provide, especially based on some religious principle that doesn’t apply to the majority of their employees, even more so when the most common use of said medications is unrelated to their moral objection to women having sex.
      Which still doesn’t make sense to me, since who do they think these slutty women are having sex with?? Not other women, they wouldn’t need birth control for that… so there has to be a man in there somewhere.

    • K.

      1. I do pay for MY healthcare. It’s called a premium.

      2. I agree that it was a stupid idea to link healthcare to employment. If I had my way, ACA would go even further and correct that. But since we’ve got a country that’s more centrist than I am, it’s still linked to employers.

      ACA mandates that healthcare must cover certain things. This prevents employers and insurance companies from cutting corners where they shouldn’t. It’s similar to the way in which the government mandates that cars have to observe certain safety requirements in order to be sold. So I can buy any car I want–a truck if I haul around a lot of stuff, or an electric if I want better gas mileage–but I’m assured that no matter what it is, it’s passed minimum safety tests.

      Similarly, employers can offer a variety of healthcare plans (and employees can choose from a variety of healthcare plans) that suit different needs (higher copay here, bigger physician network there, etc. etc.), but ultimately they all have to abide by the laws that dictates which things must be covered.

    • gothicgaelicgirl

      Precisely.
      I have issues with hormonal imbalance, so I need to be on the Implanon implant for a steady flow of hormones to help me.

      The fact it stops me getting pregnant was just a bonus.

    • gothicgaelicgirl

      Well aren’t you just a little ray of sunshine?

  • Mel

    So, I’m not sure why my comment was erased… I was responding to someone who claims that the ACA is unconstitutional and puts a burden on us. I compared health insurance to car and home insurance. I said people need to quit whining and get covered. I said it’s in our best interest collectively to all have health insurance since we will all get sick or hurt at some point. I said anyone who disagrees should feel free to go live off the grid and only look out for themselves. Someone apparently didn’t like that and now it’s deleted. I’m surprised, Mommyish. Very surprised… I hate to sound petulant, but that’s kind of what I’m feeling now, so this will be my last comment. I can take a hint :)

    • NYBondLady

      There is a big difference between health insurance and car/home insurance. The biggest one being, no one is forced to buy car or home insurance based on the fact that they are simply alive.
      Car insurance and home insurance (which, by the way, is not mandated by the government, it’s a byproduct of having a mortgage and is for the protection of the mortgage holder should your house burn down, perhaps) are additional costs incurred by the recepient given their assumed responsibilities of owning a home or a car.
      A better analogy would be that the government mandates that everyone buy a Volvo and gets rid of their old junker. Volvos are probably better than the car you were driving. And if you didn’t drive before? Well, you should be happy now because you will want to drive somewhere at some point!

    • pixie

      Sometimes disqus messes up and it’s nothing to do with the website. It’s happened to me before. :)

    • CMJ

      No one is deleting comments. Disqus can be a dick.

      Don’t even get me STARTED on the downvotes.

    • LiteBrite

      Disqus is an asshole sometimes. No one erases comments here unless they’re really inflammatory. I doubt you reached that level. :)

      It’s happened to me too, btw. Once I wrote a long, and I think well-thought out response, and Disqus dumped it. Ugh.

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  • Guest

    Wait a second here. When a guy complains that he shouldn’t be on the hook for child care payments for 18 years from a one night stand every harpy in America says he should have not done the deed if he couldn’t pay for it, right? Yet somehow that same standard doesn’t apply here?

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  • Suzie Que

    The ignorance here is astounding….you all seem to think you are more intelligent than the constitution and Supreme Court……smh

  • James

    maybe you should put the facts out there. Hobby Lobby is not trying to keep any birth control from anyone. They simply do not want to pay for a select few that they do not agree with. Those employees may still go and use those methods if they so choose. Is it so bad that they have to pay out of pocket… or heck, maybe go to Planned Parenthood? Why doesn’t the ACA cover certain fertility drugs then? Viagra? This could be a non stop battle of nitpicking. BASIC FACTS…. HOBBY LOBBY is not keeping anything from anyone. But the vague article titles and content will try to make you believe otherwise

  • Saphire

    it matters which ones are provided because the 4 that they will not be covering are after conception, which they equate to abortion. why should your sexual activities need to be covered on insurance anyway? I can pay for my own sex thank you, and Obama and Hobby Lobby neither one need to have a say in what goes on in my bedroom.