• Wed, Mar 12 - 10:40 am ET

15 Grown Adults Talking About Chloe Moretz’s Underage Body Will Make You Beyond Uncomfortable

A reader sent me this and I’m pretty flabbergasted by it. The “social media image sharing website” 9Gag has this on the top of their sidebar this morning, and it’s pretty disgusting.

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I edited the image because I’m sure you can logically guess that at the cut it shows either the body of the actress or a photoshopped body of the actress.

For those of you unfamiliar with this young woman, it’s 17-year-old Chloe Moretz who starred in movies like the remake of Carrie and Hugo and Kick-Ass. With 31,526 up votes and over one thousand comments, I’m pretty sure you can guess how disgusting they are. Here’s a sample:

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And a few voices of reason have chimed in:

 

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There is a lot of talk about whether or not the above image is photoshopped, but I think that’s not the point. the fact that an underage girl is being promoted as ‘Puberty strikes to its full potential’ and users are discussing her breasts is pretty awful. According to the listings for 9gag:

9GAG is a Hong-Kong based startup with an open and collaborative platform that makes life more fun by giving people the fastest and easiest way to share and spread visual entertainment.

With more than 65 million unique visitors and more than a billion page views per month, 9GAG has the most actively engaged user community of any humor website.

 

On the sidebar of their website this is their top featured post. If this actress were over 18 it would be creepy and sexist, but considering she isn’t I am not even sure it is legal. Even if this website is driven by user submitted content, someone in charge had to move this post to the featured items.

This is a popular website with over a billion page views per month. They are obviously making money off it, and off the idea that underage girls are something to be sexualized. I think we are all pretty aware that there is a lot of creepy stuff on the Internet, and just because it’s on a popular website and not hiding in the dregs of the deep web that doesn’t make it any better.

(Images: 9gag)

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  • JustAGuest

    Okay, cue the “OMG, lots of places have younger ages of consent!!!!!1111!!!” people. I’m expecting them, and I have popcorn.

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      Yep, we know they will show up

  • Guest

    Ew ew ew. As someone who went into 7th grade In a D cup let me tell you people looking at you like this will scar you for life. To this day I wear a cami, tank, and tee under everything in all weather to cover up. I’m uncomfortable FOR her….

    • K.

      OMG, I could have written that. I developed early too, and it’s really strange, intimidating, and violating to have some GROWN MAN make some sort of comment or gesture about you as a sexual object when you’re 13.

      One guy at a restaurant winked at me while I was waiting for the bathroom and said something like, “Hey babe–nice curves!” while doing the up/down survey. Hello–I had never kissed a boy, tampons seemed like a crazy weird idea, I was at the restaurant with a friend from Girl Scouts and we were talking about one day opening a dog grooming shop because we liked puppies, and before I had gotten up to go to the restroom, I had just ordered off the children’s menu.

      All of that’s burned into my memory because I don’t think I’ve ever felt quite so vulnerable in my life as in that moment.

  • keelhaulrose

    “Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed” is one of the most terrifying and creepy phases I’ve ever heard. Especially since I remember the age I started bleeding and I know I was nowhere near ready to have sex, let alone procreate.

    • TwentiSomething Mom

      I was just going to comment on that one. How disgusting!

    • Katherine Handcock

      I was coming specifically to comment on this too. I’m half tempted to go to 9gag just so I can write a reply that says, “I think your local police department would like to know that you consider 11 and 12 year old girls acceptable sexual partners…”

    • Andrew Cole

      Well, it rhymes, and the hayseeds that go around saying this crap are attracted to shiny.

      “Hell Bill, old enough to bleed, old enough to seed.”

      “That makes sense. After all it rhymes. Some clever feller must have come up with that one.”

    • pixie

      Me thinks its something left over from way back when life expectancy was considerably shorter and puberty was usually around 12-16. Some still way young to have sex, but with life expectancy a lot shorter, it at least made a bit of sense.

      Now it’s just…no.

    • K.

      Yeah. I need a shower after that one.

    • Byron

      I prefer “if there’s grass on the field, play ball!”. Though I guess it does rail against people who shave or get waxes.

    • http://sarahhollowell.com/ Sarah Hollowell

      SAME. I’ve heard it before and it gives me the fucking creeps. I was ten when I first got my period. TEN. NO.

  • WriterLady

    Since the photo doesn’t show her in the nude or engaging in any sexual acts (for real or altered to look so, per a fictitious meme), this is unfortunately not illegal. Is it a disgrace? Absolutely. The comments absolutely disgust me, particularly the “Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed” drivel. I hope her PR people can shield her from this nonsense, but that’s unlikely.

  • Kati

    This heebies my jeebies in the worst way possible. I do not need to read about grown men’s self-declared masturbation habits to pictures of underage girls. Blech.

  • Taxes Make Kittens Cry
  • Katherine Handcock

    This is gross whether it happens to a girl or a boy. I remember in the midst of Twilight-mania all these sites about Taylor Lautner with women in their 30s and 40s doing countdowns to when he was legal, and I thought, “Yuck, no.” Those same women would probably have freaked out about these comments about Moretz.

    • Andrew Cole

      I don’t understand it either. A seventeen year old is a child in my mind. This is the problem with treating women (or men) as sexual objects and forgetting that they are people. Is she attractive? Yes. I cannot deny that. Nobody can can control those things, but we also have rational brains and override our base instincts all the time. A little thing we call civilization.

    • Taxes Make Kittens Cry

      OK, I’ll play devil’s advocate, mainly because I tend to agree with your comment more than what I’m proposing…

      but if we don’t want 17 yr olds (and younger) not to be sexualized in this (pigly) manner, then why are 17 yr olds being so sexualized? I mean, those pics that this pigs are drooling over, someone took them and published them. And they did it for the type of attention that they knew they would receive.

      Blame Chloe’s manager/parents just as much as these pigs. No?

    • Andrew Cole

      Our society does have a problem with sexual objectification, especially of women. I firmly believe that a person should have the right to allow themselves to be objectified if they wish, but only after they have reached adulthood and have the benefit of a little life experience to guide them.

      I think a seventeen year old should be allowed to have sex with people close to their own age, and most laws agree with that, but I don’t think we should acculturate them into thinking they have to live up the sexual ideals of an older generation. I think adults need to concern themselves with other adults and give teenagers a chance to enter adulthood before they get sucked into the quagmire that comes with it.

      I don’t think it’s creepy for a forty year old to be physically attracted to a seventeen year old body. I do think it’s creepy for a forty year old to encourage those thoughts instead of ignoring them.

    • Taxes Make Kittens Cry

      I totally agree. I mean, let’s face it, we’re irrational cavemen when it comes to hot chicks.

      Some are more cavemen than others. We all have uncontrollable thoughts, but yea, real men learn to not act on them, while boys can’t

      http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/HowCanLittleBroPossiblyNotTakeAPeakIMeanCmon-10786.jpg

    • koreander

      I don’t think Chloe’s parents are to blame here. We live in a culture where even moderately famous people are denied their privacy just because they’re famous, so unless they keep their daughter locked up in the house or keep her shielded by a huge bodyguard whenever she goes out in public, I don’t think there’s a lot the parents can do to avoid the paparazzi.

    • Katherine Handcock

      You make a valid point about the sexualization of girls (and boys, to be honest), something I’m particularly concerned about. That said, girls get sexualized without their/their parents’ permission all the time – ask a few teenage girls how often they’ve been catcalled walking down the street, or wearing perfectly typical athletic wear on the track or swimsuits on the beach. To me, that points to a societal problem.

      And I won’t pretend it’s exclusive to girls. I have a son and a daughter, and I am freaked out by the number of shirts available to my son that are sexualized. “Daddy’s wingman” or “Ladies, check out these guns” for a 5-year-old? Creepy.

    • Emily

      FYI, that particular pic was shot by paparazzi who were stalking her at a film set back in 2011. I’m tired of people trying to blame her parents instead of having the perverts be held accountable for their own words/actions. She’s actually got a great family that’s very loving and supportive of her. Which has definitely helped keep her head above the murky waters of Hollywood where many other child actors have floundered. And think about this – those jerks at 9gag were commenting on a pic of Chloë that was taken when she was just 14. Which makes their disgusting comments and behavior even more reprehensible.

    • Byron

      Held accountable in what way? How do you hold accountable someone for saying he or she finds this person attractive? Is this it? Are we “holding them accountable” now by having a circle-jerk of “ew” and “gross” and agreeing with other like-minded people whom we were bound to agree with on the start? I don’t see this achieving much.

      Calling people “perverts” is about as much as calling them human. Maybe they are rude humans but I fail to become up in arms about this.

    • JJ

      Oh yeah I remember those creepy Twilight mom’s and they were just as inappropriate. I am in my later 20′s and sometimes I see cute guys out and public and think, damn he’s hot. But if I find out he’s not as old as I thought he was and he just looks mature I feel immediate regret for even looking. I am not some creepy 27 year old who digs high school kids. Aw hell no! A guys has to at least be in his early 20′s to mid 20′s for me to go out with him I don’t want to look like a 27 year old perverted cougar.

    • WriterLady

      Ha! This rings very true. I was 26 when I first started dating my now-husband; he was 22. Even then, I felt a little weirded out. Technically, we are only 3 years apart in age, but my birthday is in January, and his is in April. We began dating a month before his 23rd birthday, which made me feel a little better. The only dumb thing about my hang-up is that, had the scenario been reversed, no one would have given it a second thought about the age difference if he had been the older one. To this day, I still occasionally get cougar jokes tossed my way (despite the fact that we are both in our 30s now). I don’t mind it at all–it’s kind of funny–but there is a bit of a double standard, for sure.

    • pixie

      My boyfriend is 4.5 months younger than me which puts him on the other side of the year line (and different grades when we were in school). When we first started dating in high school so many of his friends gave him grief for it, ignoring the fact that one of his friends was dating a girl 8 months older, but in the same grade, and some of the guy friends were dating girls 2 and 3 years younger. There’s such a double standard *sigh*

  • Andrew Cole

    As a thirty year old man, I find that I am not attracted to teenagers anymore (for a variety of reasons, but that is neither here-nor-there). However, seventeen is old enough for her body to be mature. I don’t think it’s as creepy as some people are making it out to be. The creepy part is doing it publicly on the internet.

    • Taxes Make Kittens Cry

      Is it because you don’t wanna go to jail?

    • Andrew Cole

      I don’t need jail as a deterrent. I want a woman. Not a child. I see a teenager as more than a body. The whole package is unappealing.

    • Taxes Make Kittens Cry

      I know, I’m just trolling ;P

      read my reply to your other post.

    • Andrew Cole

      :―)

    • Taxes Make Kittens Cry

      But yea, I know 30+ yr old dudes, who date girls in their early 20′s… I roll my eyes and laugh inside at what they’re in for… it’s like they’ve forgotten how it was like dating girls in their early 20′s

    • Valerie

      I was such an annoying asshole in my early 20′s. So are many dudes. And at this point, so are many dudes in their 30′s-that whole latent adolescent phase seems to really be catching on with my generation. That is why my new crush category is like, Clooney and up. And a little down. I have to allow for Matthew Mccaughnnahey after all, in all of his mid-40′s glory.

    • Katherine Handcock

      Andrew, the more of your comments the read, the more I like how you think!

    • Katherine Handcock

      I agree with you saying that there’s a difference between adults finding her attractive and opening discussing it. But I also think it’s about the language. None of us would be creeped out by a comment on the picture saying, “She is growing up into a gorgeous woman!” But the comments all imply taking action (of some kind) on that attractiveness. That’s where the ick factor comes in for me.

      But, as I said above, I feel the same way about adults ogling male stars in their teens. Fine, acknowledge his attractiveness; he’s still not legal.

    • Athena A

      Exactly. It’s totally ok to think an older teenager is very good looking, I’ve seen teen guys of whom I thought he’ll be a very attractive man! But I never thought ‘wow I’d like to… with this teenager’! Making disgusting comments about young girls (or boys) on a public website is gross. She’s a child! It she was 18 it would still be gross really, as most of those men are probably over thirty if not over forty. She’s not an object.

    • K.

      I’m a teacher and when I hear grown men talk about their attraction to adolescent girls, I wish I could bring them to school for a day and have them observe my class. I bet that within 5 minutes, they would come to the same conclusion you did–ie, no matter how mature/sexy/adult they might look, they are still kids. One gum-smack and Biebs reference and the appeal goes out the window.

      The relationship between Kevin Spacey and Mena Suvari in “American Beauty” is a pretty good facsimile of fantasy vs. reality.

  • pixie

    There’s a difference between being attracted to a good looking person and making vulgar, sexual comments about that person online (or in person, really). There’s an even bigger difference if that person is underage (regardless of age of consent). Those comments are just….*shudder*

    Recently at my university there was a sexual harassment (or something similar) case when the president of the student union, a 24 year old woman, was anonymously emailed screenshots of a private conversation that happened on Facebook chat between 5 males and 4 of which held student union positions under her (VPs and reps). The chat included things like “someone should punish her with their shaft”, offering bribes to others to see if they could get with her in her office, and rumours that she had STDs. She brought it to the attention of the university, the student union and other members of the council, the president of the university, and the police. The guys tried to give her an order of cease and desist, but it didn’t work, and as a result, all 4 have “stepped down” from their positions (and I have no idea if any other punishment was given). That was at least a semi-private conversation, though that fact does not excuse their comments (and privacy laws don’t apply to Facebook, especially since nobody’s account was hacked to gain the information). The comments on the picture aren’t even private! I’m getting all gross-feeling just thinking about it.

    • Andrew Cole

      I don’t know. I have a hard time accepting this line of reasoning. It sounds to me like what you are saying is that people are allowed to think whatever they want as long as they either keep it private or speak about it tactfully. However, one man’s tact is another man’s vulgarity. People in Victorian England would find things we consider polite to be offensive.

      I want to be clear that I am not defending anybody here, including the people in the student union, but whose definition of vulgar are we using here? The person who was offended? Isn’t there a bias involved there? I think the semi-threatning nature of their comments and the slander involved with accusing her of having STD’s is the real crime here. I think they should have been punished, just not for vulgarity.

    • pixie

      That’s not really what I’m saying. I was using my own version of vulgar, but I really don’t believe it should have been said at all, regardless if it were in private or done more tactfully. I guess my thing was that, though its still inappropriate, it wasn’t spewed all over Facebook and the internet to begin with and there was an attempt to put on a professional front? I think it’s good that they got caught, though.

      I’m trying to think of a better way to put it, but I’m having a hard time. There were some pretty sexually violent things said (like punishing her with their shaft). People can and do think what they want, though we should strive towards changing certain attitudes among everyone. It doesn’t make it any less wrong or inappropriate at all that they chose to speak of the woman that way, and I agree that the threatening nature of the comments and the slander were the real crime.

    • K.

      I think that one thing that bothers me is that men who say shit like that (and the men going on about Moretz) probably aren’t *actually* thinking they should/would do those things; I think that they’re basically posturing for other men and using
      sexuality as a means of perpetuating their own version of what it means to be
      masculine.

      In other words, I don’t *really* care if a guy is sexually attracted to a doctored photo of a sexually mature but underage teen (I DO care if we’re talking about girls who are clearly sexually immature); I care more about the blasé attitudes about boasting about that sexual attraction and associating it with violence.

    • pixie

      Yes. That’s what bothers me as well. That was partly what I was trying to get at and failed.
      And it made me all sorts of ragey when I read comments on the news stories that just brushed aside the comments by saing “that’s just how guys talk”. The even sadder thing was, it was both men and women saying that.

  • chickadee

    Vomit.

    That is all.

    Also, these people need to stay away from humanity.

  • koreander

    I read the 9gag terms of service and this is what they have to say about user content:

    “Under no
    circumstances will Subscriber use the Site or the Service to (a) send
    unsolicited e-mails, bulk mail, spam or other materials to users of the
    Site or any other individual, (b) harass, threaten, stalk or abuse any
    person or party, including other users of the Site, (c) create a false
    identity or to impersonate another person, or (d) post any false,
    inaccurate or incomplete material or delete or revise any material that
    was not posted by You.” (source: https://9gag.com/tos)

    I don’t know about you guys, but to me, the comments quoted above sound a lot like Chloe Moretz is being sexually harassed by these guys, which is clearly against the TOS. Also, haven’t there been cases where women were subjected to similar mistreatment on private forums, sued their harassers and got them convicted in court? Why is this deemed remotely OK, just because she’s a celebrity? Gross.
    If the comment screen shots(?) were taken at the same time, the “discussion” on this post went on for several days, so either the mods at 9gag aren’t doing their job properly or the site doesn’t have any in the first place. Either way, it’s disgusting that this is allowed to keep happening.
    I’m wondering – Eve, would you or one of your colleagues be able to get in touch with 9gag and ask what they have to say about this? I’d be really curious to hear how they’ll try to justify this.

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      I’ve been trying to track down a contact name

    • WriterLady

      Violating the Terms of Agreement on a website is certainly grounds for kicking users off the site, and the moderators clearly are not doing an effective job. I presume that because this has generated so much publicity for 9gag, the owners/moderators have turned a blind eye to the ensuing problems.

      With that said, there’s a major difference between violating TOS on a private website due to vulgar language and whatnot, and treating those comments as grounds for a criminal case in the court of law. I didn’t visit the actual site, so I haven’t read even a fraction of the comments, but based on the screenshots Eve took, none of the comments suggest actual harassment to the point of the actress fearing for her safety. They are disgusting and disturbing, to be sure, though they aren’t particularly threatening. Now, if someone were to begin stalking her, suggesting rape scenarios, or posting modified memes of her in suggestive positions (or photoshopped nude images), then she and her attorneys would certainly have grounds for a criminal case.

      Now, the girl could *possibly* get law enforcement involved by issuing a cease-and-desist order to remove the article, photo, and comments. That’s my guess, anyway. I’m curious to see how this pans out.

  • SA

    GROSS.

    The fact that men would make such disgusting statements on any public forum is horrid enough and then to add the fact that she is a minor.

    I hope to God I am never anywhere near where kevinwheel is using the restroom.

  • JJ

    That is nasty as hell lusting after girls old enough to be some of those people’s daughters. Ugh. I remember years ago when the Olsen twins turned 18 and there was an online countdown till they were legal age to f*** and lust after. Just writing that sentence made me cringe. Look its one thing if you have these gross thoughts in your head and keep it to yourself at least no else knows about it. And the reality of this world is that some men do think about girls like that but don’t act it out or even write out those thoughts on the internet, okay? Its really gross and makes me worry if I ever had a daughter what some of the creepy perverse guys out there in this world are thinking about her or saying to her. I feel so much sympathy for Chloe right now – I swear Chloe there is normal, nice men out in the world there not all perverts.

  • Vista

    Okay, now in no way do I condone the type of stuff some of these people are writing. Obviously “Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed” is a gross statement no matter how old the submitter is. However, do we even know how old the people are who are making these comments? This article just assumes they’re adults, but I frequent 9gag, and most of the comments (and picture submissions for that matter) are left by high school and university aged people. So some of these guys are probably between 19-23. She’s underage, yes, but a 19 year old who thinks a 17 year old is hot, isn’t exactly a “grown man” preying on an underage girl.

  • RayneofCastmere

    Great, now I need to buy sulfuric acid to bathe in so I can feel clean. Thanks a lot, internet sickos.

    Poor Chloe. I hope she doesn’t find any of these messages.