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Frozen Won’t Give Your Kids The Gay, No Matter How Many Fundamentalists Say It Will

frozengay __1394551956_142.196.167.223I just listened to something that I’m certain actually made me a little dumber, but bear with me while I pound my fists on this keyboard and try to form coherent thoughts. Kevin Swanson, Christian pastor and professional moron, has a lovely soundbite circulating around the Internet today. To sum it up, Disney was bought by the devil in 1984 and it’s Oscar-winning film Frozen was orchestrated by his minions to give your kids the gay. Makes sense, right? Yeah. Totally plausible.

Swanson pontificates about this genius idea with his sidekick – we’ll just call him Steve the Dolt. Here’s their epic exchange.

Kevin: You wonder sometimes, if maybe there is something very evil happening here, Steve.

 

Steve: Yeah. Makes you wonder.

(Both burst into laughter)

Kevin: If I was the devil, what would I do to really foul up an entire social system – and do something really, really, really evil to five and six and seven-year-olds in Christian families around America? I would buy Disney.

Totally. I’ve often thought bringing children to the land of laughter and joy is as evil as evil gets.

If I was the devil I would buy Disney in 1984. That’s what I would have done.

Why 1984? Am I missing something? Did Disney get super gay in 1984?

Yeah. And you would just throw little things in there that make sin look enticing. In fact, some of the worst sins… at least to start to indoctrinate slowly. Turn the heat up on the frog in the pan.

“Turn the heat up on the frog in the pan?” What in the hell are you talking about?

Friends, this is evil. Just evil. I wonder if people are thinking, you know – I think this cute little movie is going to indoctrinate my five-year-old to be a lesbian or treat homosexuality or bestiality in a light sort of way. I wonder if they are just walking in and saying, “Yeah! Let’s get my five-year-old and seven-year-old indoctrinated early.”

Steve, you know they’re not… but they just don’t get up and walk out.

Here I am frantically trying to think of any bestiality references in the movie. My editor reminds me that there was a reindeer that wasn’t particularly sexy eating a carrot. Hmm.

Apparently, many Christians are up-in-arms because of what they see as a “homosexual agenda” in the movie. With her ice-powers, lead character Elsa is notably different than other people. Her parents insist she was “born that way.” Her parents teach her to conceal her differences, which leads to isolation and anxiety. All of this pressure drives her to the brink, where she can no longer take hiding her true nature anymore. She finally accepts herself at the end of the movie, singing “Let It Go” – a power ballad for the ages.

Yes Christians, I can see why teaching kids to accept themselves, embrace their differences and find happiness is a complete devil-message. Good god. Get a hobby, people.

Is it just me, or are fundamentalist Christians always consumed with “bestiality?” Homosexuality and bestiality belong in the same sentence about as much as… I can’t even think of a parallel. Point is – they don’t belong in the same sentence you morons. Get some therapy.

Do you know what the gay agenda is? Equality. Period. The end. You know who’s pushing it? Every decent human being in America. Teaching our children acceptance and how to embrace their differences is not the work of the devil – and if it is, I’m on his side.

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  • CMJ
    • Maria Guido

      Perfect!

  • keelhaulrose

    My daughters will watch the crap out of that movie if only for the line “You can’t marry a man you just met”. Yes, sweethearts, pay attention to Hans. He may be cute, he may seem awesome, but he might be a grade-a asshole underneath.
    And 1984 because that’s the year I was born, and I needed to start my empire young, er, I mean, I have no idea why 1984…

    • Katherine Handcock

      I totally agree! For “You can’t marry a man you just met,” and for Kristoff’s “I question your judgment.” Also for the fact that there’s no WEDDING at the end, just the implication that Anna and Kristoff might see where this whole thing goes. I spent the last ten minutes of the movie fervently hoping that they would not make so much fun of the “love at first sight” trope and then have her marry Kristoff for the final scene.

      Also, I was in tears for “Do You Wanna Build A Snowman?” and Olaf’s line “Some people are worth melting for.”

    • Kelly

      Do you wanna build a snowman made me cry too.

    • G.S.

      Same here. If anyone asks what it’s like to live with someone with a really bad mental illness spell, I’m just going to link them to that song.

    • Alanna Jorgensen

      I ADORE the scene between Kristoff and Anna in the sled. Disney is mocking itself so hard and I love every second of it. I am a hard core Disney fan but I like the new direction they’re going.

    • Alicia Kiner

      I just loved this whole freaking movie. I think I loved it more than my daughter did. ;)

  • personal

    Amen! Hear, hear!!
    I saw the movie. My 4-year-old runs around trying to do the moves that Elsa does on the YouTube Video for Let It Go. She loves it. I love for her to feel strong and Independent.
    But what do I know? We chose a gay guy to be her godfather. We feel that of all the people we know, he is the one we trust the most to take care of her.

  • Emily A.

    Comprehensive list of things that give kids the gay:

    • Bethany Ramos

      1. Non-organic foods.

    • Jessica

      Dolls, soy, the color purple (but not The Color Purple)

    • Emily A.

      But in The Color Purple, the ladies wear… PANTS!

    • Jessica

      noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

      Also, I love quiche, so my whole life may be a lie

    • Socks (I HATE TAXES) Crusty

      Are you Polyamorous Mom??? >:(

    • Jessica

      Now, my whole life may be a lie, but its a lie wrapped in quiche, not Keith! Or Alan! Or Steve or … I forget the other guy’s name…

    • Taxes Make Kittens Cry

      “Number 4″?

    • Guest

      Musicals or other song and dance numbers, and apparently all Disney films.

    • Emily A.

      Ah, I was actually going for “nothing will give kids the gay,” but these really are fine examples.

      Don’t forget: quiche!

    • Williwaw

      And evolution!

    • SmrtGrl86

      A mother fucking quiche!!!

    • Socks (I HATE TAXES) Crusty

      It’s not the gay I’m worried bout… it’s the spread of cooties that all gays are infected with.

      Vaccinate against cooties!

    • Tea

      But I was always told girls spread cooties, so I married a guy just to be safe.

    • Alex Lee

      Ultra-conservative repression.

    • Rachel Sea

      For girls: Pants, sports, short haircuts, STEM careers, leadership roles, self-defense classes, gay people, health food, the marijuana, comfortable shoes, and getting a cat before marriage.

      For boys: Musicals, long hair, the marijuana, San Francisco, tight pants, kilts, shopping, European food, dancing, girl colors, dolls, grooming, hygiene, crying, gay marriage, art, and flowers.

    • brebay

      girl scouts

    • Tea

      Internet porn, cartoons, painting lessons, poetry, My Little Pony, and the furry fandom (I have heard all of these personally)

    • meteor_echo

      And reading (for teh womenz).
      It’s always reading.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ohladyjayne allisonjayne

    Oh man. I’m already bummed that we decided not to show this movie to my kid right now (because she’s got this intense fear of the abominable snowman from the Rudolph movie and apparently Frozen has a abominable snowman as well?) and now I find out it’s got a GAY AGENDA too? Blergh, why can’t my kid grow up and out of this phase already, I want to see this movie!

    [Disclaimer in case the gods are listening: I don't actually want my kid to grow up anytime soon, please instead slow down time because it's going too fast already, k?]

    • Jessica

      Yeah, if she fears snow monsters, this is not her movie. But he only appears twice… maybe three times… So those could be snack breaks? Costume changes? (We had a similar issue with Brave because my daughter was afraid of scary bears at the time)

    • Sara

      Dude, as a 17 year old those bears were scary! Me and my 4 year old sister were practically in my mom’s lap!

    • Natasha B

      Um, the bears scared the crap out of ME. We skip that part now.

    • Katherine Handcock

      Yeah, Frozen’s snow monster might be a bit much for her right now. That’s why you buy the DVD this month “to get the lower release day pricing”. Also, once you’ve done that, you should probably watch it at home — you know, to make sure you don’t have any other concerns ;-)

    • Karen

      I’m 27 years old, and I am STILL scared shitless of the abominable snow monster from “Rudolph.”

  • Kendra

    I can’t believe I thought that movie was about a girl with magical ice powers….I’m such a dimwit.

    • whiteroses

      And, you know, a pair of sisters who love each other, not only in spite of but because of their differences. It’s a movie that’s mainly about seeing past the surface of a person (Hans isn’t great, Elsa isn’t evil, and Christof seems awkward but turns out to be awesome) and seeing who they are. Nearly every song in that movie is about accepting yourself, “ice powers” and all.

      Musn’t have that in our homes!

  • Bethany Ramos

    That Frozen pic is sooooo funny. That is all.

  • read it

    Omg.
    http://wellbehavedmormonwoman.blogspot.com/2014/02/movie-frozen-gay-homosexual-agenda.html
    I did a dramatic reading of this for my friends and we were laughing like crazy.

    • brebay

      I wonder if she knows the girl in the video on that page is a Mormon girl from SLC…

  • Guest

    As a Christian whose social circle includes lots of other Christians whose kids are in love with this movie (including my own son) let me say this guy is spending his time searching for Satan in the wrong place.

    And also, I know you didn’t say this specifically but I think it’s worth noting that he’s got to be speaking for a pretty small faction of Christians. Saying “all Christians are this way” is about as accurate as saying “all gay people are (fill in ridiculous stereotype here)”

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      yeah IDK, a know a lot of Christians and they are too busy worrying about real evil, like rapists and child murderers to get their panties in a twist over a Disney movie

  • pixie

    There are zero, ZERO Disney films in 1984.
    And Kristoff doesn’t practice beastiality with Sven, (ignoring the line “His peculiar brain, dear, his thing for the reindeer/That’s outside a few of nature’s laws” from the song “Fixer Upper”) he just doesn’t exactly have many friends. The gay thing might have come from a thing circling the internet listing the ways that Frozen is a progressive movie, which included saying the family in Wandering Oaken’s Trading Post in Sauna is Oaken’s gay family (the reasoning is that someone thought that it’s Oaken’s family and the only adult in the Sauna is a large male, though while it might possibly be Oaken’s family, there is also an adult woman in the sauna, so the male could be a teenaged son, it’s never established). As for Elsa promoting homosexuality, I don’t see how that’s possible. Unless gays have secret ice powers that they keep secret?

    • keelhaulrose

      It’s bad enough people are exposing LGBT’s powers over tornadoes, earthquakes, the polar vortex, hurricanes, tsunamis, Justin Bieber, etc, please, please, please, DON’T EXPOSE THE ICE POWERS!

    • Maggie May

      They do actually have secret ice powers. Especially my dad – he can still make me freeze with a single glare.

      I didn’t see an adult woman in the sauna scene though, I saw several children and an adult blonde man. Unless I’m mistaking the woman for a child?

    • pixie

      She’s to the right of the big blond man, there’s a little girl sitting on her lap. It’s possible that she could be a teenager, but when I look at the picture, she looks like an adult to me. I’m not saying that it’s definitely NOT Oaken’s gay family, just that there’s nothing really to prove that it definitely is.

      http://24.media.tumblr.com/348b3b40ca3380c82007a6992c600f2c/tumblr_mw7rgggXY91szqcbeo1_500.png

    • MellyG

      I don’t think she’s old enough to be the mom, i thought she was the daughter? She looks pretty young

    • pixie

      I think it’s hard to tell, not just because it’s a cartoon, but also because you can’t really see her shape. A lot of cartoon moms look young, but like I said, I could see both the blonde guy and her going either way in terms of age/familial relationship. They might not even be related to Oaken and be their own little family.

    • Sara

      She looks like Violet from the Incredibles IMO

    • pixie

      Violet was way skinnier, though. It appears like she has some sort of curves to her, not just a straight line, though it is really tough to tell and she could just be a straight line.

    • Socks (I HATE TAXES) Crusty

      “Unless gays have secret ice powers that they keep secret?”

      What a chilling statement! O_o

    • Sara

      As a bisexual, I have the powers of fire AND ice! Suck that, bitches! (If you’re into it)

    • Socks (I HATE TAXES) Crusty

      so… how YOU doin’?

    • Sara

      ;)

    • EX

      Thank you. I was going to bring up that line from fixer upper, not because I agree with these nut jobs but because I could see how someone looking for “evidence” to support their argument could point to that line.

    • pixie

      I listen to that song all the time (it’s on my phone/iTunes) so I’m pretty familiar with the song. And yeah, I don’t really think it points to beastiality, but I can see how the crazies would be drawn to that conclusion if they’re looking for something.

    • whiteroses

      They’re putting WAY too much effort into this. I guarantee you, your average six year old just sees them as a family.
      Something to be said in that.

    • pixie

      Exactly. Hell, I didn’t give that much thought to it until I read the thing about it possibly being a family with gay parents, because like really, it’s on screen for a total of like 2 seconds.

  • Socks (I HATE TAXES) Crusty

    Maria (I HATE CHRISTIANS) Guido

    so many names…

  • Brittany Anne

    I’ve seen more than one person use as an argument against gay marriage the idea that “If we accept the gays, what’s next?! Bestiality?!?!?!” So maybe that’s where he’s coming from.

    I just have a really hard time dealing with that level of stupidity.

    • MellyG

      I hate that argument SO much. Last I checked all of my gay friend are consenting adults, while my cats…..not so much. As much as it upsets my cats, legally they are property…….so no marriage rights there. However, as much as it pains the anti gay marriage set, i think homosexuals are still consenting adults with legal rights……..making them different from my cats. But what do i know?

    • Katherine Handcock

      Exactly! Just like the argument, “if we allow gay marriage, why not let people get married to 12-year-olds?!” Um, because a 12 year old is not legally able to give consent. I don’t know why that’s so hard.

    • MellyG

      You are assuming that these people use logic!

    • Katherine Handcock

      Very true…

  • MellyG

    I have a lot of gay friends, and i keep begging ALL of them to invite me to the top secret meetings where they plan the gay agenda, and none of them will. Jerks. They won’t even let me SEE a copy of the gay agenda. Just selfish I tell you!

    I’m also now wondering if my lesbian friends have secret ice powers. They’re being secretive about THAT one too. Too bad these dudes are totally on to them!

    • Rachel Sea

      Boys in middle school did call me an ice princess when I wouldn’t give one of the jocks a handie.

    • MellyG

      Well, duh – if you don’t like a guy you are clearly a bitch or a lesbian, or BOTH. i’ts never THEM. And now disney has cracked the code – all lesbians are ice princesses, lol

    • Andrea

      Of course, when you DO like them, you are a slut.

    • Tea

      Copies of the gay agenda are issued bi-yearly, when we have our orgy/satanic rituals/whine tasting and scented candle party and scheme about how we can ruin all things traditional.

      My copy is holding up the wobbly end of the table.

    • MellyG

      I don’t understand why i’m never invited to these parties – orgies AND wine tasting?!?!?!? THIS is the reason i befriend gay people, but NO ONE lets me in. Damn it

    • FemelleChevalier

      Do you have a spare copy? I ruined mine when it got too much blood from my goat sacrifice. I called and they said I need to wait a few more months to be able to chant the updated Satanic mantra.

      What a bummer.

    • Elisa Probert

      So what does whine taste like?

    • Tea

      The sweet tears of straight people.

      (My speech to text program is an idiot.)

    • Elisa Probert

      Yum … tears!

      Try getting the word gazpacho to show up right with a speech to text program. Very entertaining. You get things like “guys pageants.”

    • Tea

      Exactly. It went “Goose Patched hoe” by the way, then I turned it off and just scaled the font up. I love tech for the visually impaired, at least it’s worth a laugh.

    • Sara

      BEST RESPONSE EVER

    • brebay

      Yeah, the gay one is bi-yearly, but the bi one is only quarterly…

  • MellyG

    This isn’t the first time i’ve heard mumblings about Elsa being a gay disney princess. That’s not really what I took away from the film, but what ticks me off is – WHY would that be so bad? Can’t we have Disney Princesses of all colors (at least Disney is doing a *bit* better on that one) and all sexualities? Isn’t that a great thing to teach kids? I guess it’s a bad thing to teach kids to love everyone for who they are.

    • Kay_Sue

      They mumbled it about Merida in Brave too. Dumbasses. Apparently woman that does not need a man automatically equals a lesbian.

      Not that I would mind a lesbian princess–I just hate the idea that they are the only ones that don’t need a man to be happy…

    • pixie

      Really? People thought Merida was a lesbian? That kind of saddens me. Not because I have anything against her being a lesbian, or any Disney princess being a lesbian, but because people put that much effort into thinking about the sex lives of Disney princesses…
      (And didn’t Merida seem interested in at least one of the Princes when she first saw him, but quickly dismissed him afterwards? I need to go watch the movie now because it’s one of my favourites.)

    • SarahJesness

      She seemed impressed when she saw the big, buff dude, mistaking him for one of her suitors… But then it’s revealed that the suitor is this wimpy guy standing behind him.

    • pixie

      Righttt. I couldn’t remember which character it was, but I knew it was definitely one of the male characters.

    • Elisa Probert

      What’s really funny is if you look carefully, she actually seems to like the wimpy guy at the very end of the movie. But I may just be reading into it because I myself like smart guys who aren’t particularly athletic…

    • SarahJesness

      Personally I interpreted that scene as the wimpy guy trying to woo her, and she doesn’t want to directly reject him. But it is up to interpretation, so eh, doesn’t really matter.

    • Kay_Sue

      Confession: Just typing the comment made me want to see it again. I loved it.

      But yes, that was a theory going around. And people apparently devote entirely too much time to thinking about the sex lives of Disney princesses…and please don’t ever wander into the annals of erotic fan fiction devoted to them. You’ll never be able to watch Cinderella again…

    • pixie

      I did that when I was 15 and bored, though that was just pictures and not writings. I don’t think I’ll ever get THAT bored.

    • Kay_Sue

      Oh dear. So young to see all of that! ;)

    • pixie

      It was definitely…interesting lol.
      I had friends who’d just discovered Hentai and whatnot and I thought “I wonder if that sort of thing exists for American cartoons as well?” :P

    • Kay_Sue

      Rule 34 at its finest.

    • Valerie

      Oh God I once stumbled on the most horrible pictures of The Beast doing unholy things to Belle. I’ve never been the same.

    • Rachel Sea

      It’s because only dyke girls do boy sports, duh.

    • pixie

      Of course, I forgot. How silly of me.

    • MellyG

      I’m with you on that. It’s fine if they are meant to be lesbians, it’s fine if they’re not. I”m just excited that Disney is giving us princesses that don’t rely on a prince

  • Callie

    Huh, I just thought it was a catchy song, a cuddly reindeer, a sweet snowman, and the first Disney princess who rescued herself rather than waiting for a prince to do it. Yeah, thanks Christian dudes, but my version of the movie is waaaaay better!

    • pixie

      Hey now, don’t forget about Merida in Brave. She actually refuses to marry. ;)

    • whiteroses

      Or Mulan, who saved an entire freaking country instead of just doing what was expected of her. Or Pocahontas, even, who opted to stand strong for her people versus going to England with John Smith.

    • pixie

      Very true, but Mulan does marry in the second movie, right? Or is in a relationship with whatshisface anyways. And Pocahontas does end up with someone or another in the second movie, too (I think? I could be wrong, I haven’t seen it).
      But both of them, plus Merida and Elsa are a far cry from the more traditional Disney princesses (Cinderella, Snow White, Aurora, Belle).

      If they make a second Brave where Merida becomes less headstrong and sure of herself, I’ll be royally pissed.

    • whiteroses

      Mulan does get married- but still retains her badassery :). And Pocahontas was married too- but that’s historically accurate.
      I think it’s important for both girls and boys to know that it’s fine to get married and still be awesome :).

    • pixie

      Oh yeah, definitely :)

  • Katherine Handcock

    This makes me laugh, because my husband is a minister and he walked out of this movie saying, “Wow, this movie has some great Christian/moral messages”. You know, like in sacrificing herself, Anna saves herself…sounds sort of familiar if you’ve read that big black book with the gold letters on the front ;-)

    Of course, for people like these, drawing THAT comparison probably just got me put on the heathen list…

  • Alanna Jorgensen

    I just went down the rabbit hole and followed the links back to a Mormon grandmother who lays out this “agenda” in a lengthy blog post. My brain hurts. Never mind the fact that hidden powers spiraling out of control due to lack of disciplined use is a common story theme in Sci Fi and Fantasy genres, even if Disney was trying to promote acceptance of gay marriage (which I am all for anyway) through this movie no 5 year old would have any damn clue considering I highly doubt they have any concept of Disney’s political leanings. This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen on the Internet in awhile. I’m almost impressed by the stupid.

  • Alicia Kiner

    When did a girl having magical powers that she had to hide from the world in a cartoon suddenly become code for homosexuality?! Considering human history with magic, hiding magic seems to be a pretty good idea considering the time this movie seems to take place.

    Why are Fundamentalists making correlations where there are none?

    Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

  • Kay_Sue

    ““Turn the heat up on the frog in the pan?” What in the hell are you talking about?”

    My apologies if someone already explained this, but it alludes to how you cook a live frog. You put it in water, and let it settle, then you turn on the heat and increase it gradually until it boils to death.

    And apparently, I really need to see Frozen. I will see Frozen while eating my Thin Mints, that way I know I get my full daily serving of lesbianism and beastiality.

    • Kelly

      I’m not a big fan of most kids movies but I was glad I watched Frozen. I really enjoyed it. It’s a good movie.

    • Kay_Sue

      My stepdaughters had already seen it and my fellas did not want to….

      I may just go for myself. Nothing weird about that, right?

    • CMJ

      I went with my friend for a lady date. Nothing wrong at all. It’s really good.

    • Kay_Sue

      Between this and Kelly’s reply, I’m feeling bolstered. I’ll add it my list of things to do when my life slows down in the next week or two.

    • whiteroses

      I went to go see it twice. By myself. No regrets here!

    • Kelly

      I don’t think it’s weird. LOL

      My 13 year old son didn’t want to go with us to see it and we made him go as a family outing. He enjoyed it too. He didn’t expect to but he did.

    • Kay_Sue

      I think they would have too, but especially the youngest is so touch and go with movies period right now.

      And honestly the 7 year old can be dramatically whiny, and I do what I can to avoid that…

    • pixie

      You could always download it. I watched it by myself, and am in the process of convincing my boyfriend and my parents to watch it, too (my boyfriend took me to see Tangled, so Frozen isn’t too far fetched for him to watch)

    • Kay_Sue

      I may have to. I’ve seen the Lego Movie twice, I at least need to see Frozen once…

    • MellyG

      I went with my best friend. We loved it. We had no kids to take! (her kid is a bit too young)

    • Natasha B

      A friend and I took all our kids to a Sunday matinee viewing…..and then we went on a Thursday night after our ‘lady coffee date’ lol. No kids.

  • sfnowhere

    What is the problem? none. this is just an era when people are just coming together no matter on the sexual orientation. This era of technology made plenty of us very lonely and looking for something that will understand you, is not that we are alone, but no one will just say much to you because you will always be stuck to a screen. Disney has always being modern on era, and the graphics show knowledge of what is going on in the world. That is why when you were little you were growing up watching disney movies, you were just technically learning everything going on in your era or your parents. Face it, this is what’s going on now. and is easy for you to absorb since when you were a kid the colors on the screen helped you learn. and now you watch frozen, and you are just afraid of learning, like the time mufasa was going to die you were afraid. and that is just how you feel now. The fact that Frozen has gay tendencies does not mean that will turn your kids gay. You will turn your kids gay by not letting them understand what really goes on in the world. We as humans are curious by nature and if we don’t understand we try learning, and if something stops us from learning we get side tracked trying to figure out how to go pass that blockage. Live a little, there is much more to explore, and Disney is definitively alway exploring.

  • Kelly

    Frozen is making kids gay…

    Wow, I’m always surprised by how crazy these people are. There’s nothing even remotely gay in the movie. By their logic, any movie about anyone who is different in any way being accepted would make kids gay. That’s nuts.

  • MaebykittyRN

    I just…what?

  • SarahJesness

    Bah, these people remind me of crazy fans who see gay in everything. “Let it Go” CAN be a metaphor for being gay… But really, it could be a metaphor for anyone who has had to hide who they are. Including, say, Christians who have to hide their beliefs in a society that’s really unfriendly to their religion.

    They’re trolls. Ignore them. They take whatever is popular at the moment and twist it to have some evil agenda so people will pay attention to them. If you try hard enough, you can find any message in anything.

  • Lackadaisical

    Perhaps it is because a woman makes it to the end of the film without being safely married off to a man, and she also stays in charge of her kingdom without a man to tell her “calm down, dear, this ruling isn’t right for you. Go and be pretty in the corner and let me use my manliness to do it properly”

    Also by making their films since 1984 funnier and including more adventure Disney run the risk of boys watching without sneering, and then they get exposed to sparkly dresses and singing. In the days of snow white and Cinderella boys knew the princess films were soppy romance and not for them but my boys (oh, the humanity) enjoyed Brave. Disney, how could you?

    • whiteroses

      Well, let’s look at it objectively- kick butt girl who is awesome at archery decides- I’d rather keep being awesome at archery and get married on my own damn terms.

      I LOVE Brave. Love it. And I love Frozen too. I am so glad that these are the kinds of movies my nieces will grow up seeing.

    • pixie

      Brave is one of the main reasons why I want to learn archery…especially archery on horseback.

  • brebay

    (homosexuality or bestiality) sure, because they’re pretty much one thing…

  • brebay

    Okay, I swear I’m not being a “grammar Nazi,” but your misspelling of bestiality to actually include “beast” is hilariously awesome. I can only wonder what they think is going on in “Beauty and the “Beast!” I’d love to hear the secret agenda of that when these people see a walrus driving a car and think “bestiality.”

    • pixie

      My normally reliable spell check wouldn’t even give bestiality as a suggestion for beastiality, but it said it was spelled wrong. So I decided hell with it and spelled it with an a anyways. ;)

      It’s not something I spell very often and therefore one of the few words I wasn’t sure of the spelling of.

    • WriterLady

      I think there are variations in the spelling, possibly depending on the country of origin. In the exchange between Swanson and the other individual, the spelling is cited as “beastiality” as well. My spellcheck recognizes that spelling as wrong (which is odd, given your circumstances), but I’ve noticed that when using Disqus, sometimes words that I know for a fact are spelled correctly are highlighted as incorrect. Very strange. :)

    • pixie

      My regular spellcheck doesn’t like it when I write things like colour, favourite, theatre, concert programme (I’m Canadian, so it’s just been pounded into my brain to spell things like that), but apparently Disqus has no problem with those words being spelled like that.
      Disqus is silly :)

    • WriterLady

      Agreed! And as an American, I’ve always liked the traditional spellings of most words, such as those you’ve mentioned. “Theatre” is my favorite. And I recently had a debate with a former colleague about the word “catalog/catalogue.” Disqus just nixed “catalogue,” so who knows?!

    • pixie

      Ha, there are just some spellings of words (like catalog) that look odd to me. The usuals, favorite, theater, etc (which Disqus doesn’t like those spellings for me, so it must be a regional thing), don’t get me so much because of all the American-published books I read for school and for fun, but it’s very hard for me to spell them that way myself (copying down quotes is a nightmare because I constantly have to check that I copied correctly and that my brain didn’t autocorrect on its own to traditional spelling)

    • Maria Guido

      I learn something new everyday. No wonder I couldn’t find a correct spelling for it.

    • brebay

      I prefer it with the actual “beast” in it, but I’m pretty sure only prostitutes hired by Rush Limbaugh get to claim they’ve actually practiced that.

    • brebay

      Probably best you didn’t google it to find the correct spelling, that’s how you end up with the NSA on your porch…

  • WriterLady

    You can thank the Duck Dynasty douche, Phil Robertson, for reigniting this stupid debate. Most of you probably recall that he compared homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia. But when questioned about the interview that spawned the statement, he claimed it was taken out of context. Nice try, Phil.

    Robertson’s and Kevin Swanson’s beliefs are far from uncommon. I graduated from a relatively small rural high school in the heartland of America. Many of my former classmates were (and still are) right-wing, fundamentalist Christians. Looking at my FB newsfeed, you see a clear dichotomy in people’s opinions on issues such as the freedom to be a bigot based on one’s religious beliefs. That is, my high school acquaintances praise Robertson, Limbaugh, and other fanatics for their “bravery to speak out on the anti-American, liberal agenda that is ruining our country and causing our forefathers to roll over in their graves.” On the other end of the spectrum, my college acquaintances, colleagues, and friends usually ignore the controversy altogether, since they probably don’t have their newsfeeds slammed with anti-gay justifications. Those who do post about such issues (or comment on my posts, as I simply can’t read the vitriol from my high school acquaintances and not offer my own reactions), provide logical responses to the anti-gay flavor of the week controversy.

    As someone who tries to understand dissenting viewpoints, I can *sort of* understand not approving of homosexuality if one believes that the Bible is something other than an allegorical collection of stories written by mortal men 2000 years ago. But keep that shit to yourself. There’s no reason to publicly make outrageous claims and ostracize an entire segment of the population in a vile manner. Respectable Christians refrain from doing that (or, better yet, they don’t even buy into the notion that homosexuality is sinful). If more people followed the lead of compassionate individuals, we wouldn’t be having this ridiculous discussion about a potentially gay theme in a children’s movie.

    • Lackadaisical

      My FB is similar but instead of Christian extremists bashing liberals and tolerance my UK version has Daily Mail readers spewing badly researched hate on immigration and how all public workers like teachers, coppers and doctors are corrupt and incompetent unlike some halcyon days of the 1950s (and totally disregarding a strange and untrustworthy thing some people call “facts”).

  • tk88

    I’m so tired of people talking bout how supposedly “gay” Frozen is. It’s NOT. For God’s sake, they already disproved the “gay family” in the sauna, and Let it Go is just a song. Personally, I am gay so when I saw it with my girlfriend it did feel like a coming out song because that’s my perception. But “Let it Go” can also be applied to different opinions, speaking your mind, mental illness, or being open about ANYTHING a person might keep secret. This is a song where it’s very easy to project your own sentiments onto (which is why it’s so popular and good!). If you go in there THINKING it’s a gay song, you’ll see it that way. So it’s no surprise that the gay community has used this song as a coming out song. But that doesn’t mean that’s Disney’s motive. It’s crazy. And you don’t see them up in arms about The Little Mermaid, whose villain was actually modeled after a drag queen. But maybe they liked the fact the “gay” character was evil.

    • http://www.benwhoski.com/ Benwhoski

      Certain conservative talking heads made the same accusations about “Happy Feet”. They said it was pro-gay propaganda because it was all about Mumble gaining acceptance despite being different, and the scene in which he told his father “Don’t ask me to change, because I can’t.”

      Y’know, even though a large chunk of the story revolved around the male penguin’s relationship with a female penguin. I can only assume part of the outrage was because people were also still upset about “And Tango Makes Three”.

      Granted, I believe the “people should not be ostracized for being ‘different’” is a good lesson, even if it were specifically about homosexuality. I think it’s pretty telling in general that anytime the theme is about someone being “different”, these critics immediately associate it with homosexuality and none of the other, infinite ways someone can feel “different”.

      But that’s probably because I’m just a great big fat liberal hedonist who doesn’t respect the value of good, god-fearing conformity.

    • Lackadaisical

      Oh, heaven forfend that we should ever let someone who is different from us feel accepted or as if they are a valid person. I am fairly sure that the “Disney makes kids gay” idiots secretly believe that people who are different from them were created by god just to give them something to spit and throw stones at. What is the point of being a white, wealthy, christian, straight man with no disabilities if you can’t treat the rest of your world as your subhuman inferior?

  • Ddaisy

    I don’t think anybody said this yet, but if I’m late to the party, forgive me.

    1984 was the year Eisner and Katzenberg came to Disney, and the Disney Renaissance began shortly thereafter. (Huge Disney nerd in this corner :P )

    That being said, neither Eisner nor Katzenberg are working for Disney anymore, so I haven’t the faintest idea what that has to do with Frozen.

    • FemelleChevalier

      “The devil and his minions, Eisner and Katzenberg, came forth and spread malice. With the job done, they left and let the evil fester and rot within, projecting sins and depravity to the younger masses through thinly-disguised innuendos and metaphors.”

      Sorry, but I’m just imagining a anti-gay pastor saying this. :D

  • Amber Starr

    Now I REALLY need to see this movie.

  • scooby23

    I propose we all break our pitchforks and torches and put clips from “Frozen” on our phones and tablets, then storm this guy’s house. If we’re lucky, we might just expose his pweshus child(dren) to “DERRR GAAAYY!!!”

  • C.J.

    I haven’t seen the movie but my 11 year old daughter went and saw it with her friends tonight. I mentioned this article to her and she looked at me like I grew a third eye. That certainly isn’t what she got out of the movie.

  • FemelleChevalier

    “Kevin: If I was the devil, what would I do to really foul up an entire social system – and do something really, really, really evil to five and six and seven-year-olds in Christian families around America? I would buy Disney.”

    Sorry Kevin, but the devil is too busy whispering to rapists, murderers, and those individuals who maliciously wronged and hurt another human being for shits and giggles.

    Oh, he also said that bigotry is his subtle approach. I should know, because I’m bisexual. So that would make me half evil, right? You should come by and get down from your high pedestal for once; the devil makes scrumptious cakes.

    • Lackadaisical

      I believe to people like that you and I would be double evil because we could corrupt both their sons and daughters. Also a lot of these people don’t believe in bisexuality (despite a huge number of bisexual people actually existing for goodness sake) because in their tiny heads if you could pretend to be their narrow version of normal why on earth wouldn’t you? You must therefore just be pretending as part of a feminist or gay political agenda to corrupt everyone. No way a person could just be different from them. Also, while they accept a straight person can keep their legs closed people like them often assume a gay person will be having sex any time someone of their gender comes near them, so for a bisexual person they assume promiscuity and think no one is safe from your raging libido.

  • Elisa Probert

    If the paranoid conservatives (not to be confused with actual conservatives) really believe that A. you choose to be gay or not, and B. a movie can influence said “decision,” they really need to change their approach. Everyone knows that young people only want to do what you don’t want them to do. SO, I propose that everyone encourage all the kids to be gay. Then they won’t want to since kids are so rebellious and stuff, and poof! Society is saved from teh gay!

    Please note this was a sarcastic post. I in NO way believe that you “choose” your sexuality.

    Honestly, you could make the case for any movie having whatever hidden message you want it to have if you put enough thought into it.

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  • WTF

    Is there any bestiality in the jungle book? I mean what’s up with baloo and mogli and their relationship.

  • Angelica

    For one, I am a Christian but people like this make me hate to use that word. For another, I have a two year old so I have seen Frozen about a billion times and I can’t even wrap my head around what this guy is even talking about? Did we watch the same movie? The problem is, some people will find a “hidden agenda” in anything because they are looking for one. Those people need to look for a hobby of some sort.

  • 1Hell

    Here’s a gem of a comment from that post:

    “Sister Skaggs, thank you for your post. So many people sit silently and therefore sin by omission. These are, indeed, the last days. This is just another step of descent into immorality that will finally bring about the Second Coming. This isn’t the first time our society has been attacked in this manner. We are reliving history. Multiple prophets and Priesthood Leaders foresaw the racial agenda creeping into our lives. They spoke against it as well and warned about it unceasingly.

    Unfortunately, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed and it negated their ability to stop the societal destruction brought on by acceptance of the evils of racial integration. I even see interracial couples getting married in the temple now. Brigham Young would weep.”

    No words.