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White Dads Would Force Abortion On Daughters Knocked Up By Black Dudes, Claims a Badass State Rep

holmesYesterday in Alabama the House passed a bill to ban most abortions in the state and make legal abortions difficult if not impossible. The bill, sponsored by Rep. Mary Sue McClurkin would require doctors to check for a fetal heartbeat before performing an abortion. If a fetal heartbeat is detected, the abortion would be illegal and a doctor performing one would be guilty of a felony. The bill now goes to the Alabama Senate. Standing up for some hardcore truth right before he dropped the mic (OK, so he didn’t do that, but he should have) a black representative from Montgomery named Alvin Holmes said the following, as reported by The NY Daily News:

“If you asked the people in here now to raise their hands, of those who are against abortion, 99% of all of the white people in here gonna raise their hand that they are against abortion,” Holmes said Tuesday according to a recording of some of the debate on al.com. “On the other hand, 99% of the whites that are sitting in here now, if they daughter got pregnant by a black man, they gonna make their daughter have an abortion. They ain’t gonna let her have the baby. You know, the truth sometimes hurts … They’re not gonna let that happen. You know that and I know that. You will never admit it.”

 

BOOM.

I love this so much, because I find it very hard to believe in Alabama a lot of people who were present weren’t inwardly nodding at the inflammatory comment. He then went on to ask a white woman present if she would allow her daughter to have a baby if she were impregnated by a black man:

“Yes, I would,” the woman replies.

“Well, I need to commend you then,” Holmes says. “There’s not one in 100,000 that would do that.”

Earlier in the day, the House passed another bill that would increase the waiting period before abortions from 24 hours to 48 hours.  It’s a real shitty time to be a woman in Alabama right now, but hopefully we’ll get to hear some more comments from Holmes before this is over.

I know a lot of people will say he shouldn’t have dragged race into this, but considering your decrepit and scary Nana McClurkin is fond of saying things like:

“when a physician removes a child from a woman, that’s the largest organ in a body.”

the issue of race and whether or not it affects someone’s thoughts on outlawing abortion is an extremely valid point to be made. Holmes is just the only person brave enough to raise that point.

(Image: Alabama state legislature)

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  • NYBondLady

    What is the point of this op-ed? The overwhelming majority of abortions in Alabama are performed on black women. Why bring a hypothetical race question into this?
    Besides, if you’re really “pro-choice” then the decision to abort based on race is no different not better/worse than aborting due to financial distress, sex of the baby, not feeling like having a baby, mistimed, etc.

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      Because it is pointing out how damn hypocritical a lot of these good ‘ol boys in Alabama are when it comes to this very subject.

    • NYBondLady

      How is one person just SAYING this is evidence of hypocrisy? How many abortions are performed on white women impregnanted by black men? Do we even know?

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      Listen NY Bond Lady, you think you can come up in here and make me stop drawing pink hearts all over Mr. Holmes name and it ain’t gonna happen! It’s awesome he said this. You CANNOT think McClure makes any sense, can you?

    • NYBondLady

      I am not really concerned with McClurkin- I think the position is extreme but I find Holmes’s comments disturbing. What if he stated
      “A black baby has a 60% chance of being aborted before it is born.”?
      Instead he brings some hypothetical race-bait scenario into it.
      That truth really hurts.

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      How can you NOT be concerned about McClurkin?!

    • NYBondLady

      With the respect of the context of this article, I should say.

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      hahaha

    • tifygodess24

      It seems You are using McClurkin to try to validate your post on Holmes because she’s just as ridiculous as him.

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      No, there is no proof but I do think he brings up a very interesting point.

    • nail44

      You are just as racist as he is. You pin racism on whites when it is actually the blacks who are the racist. Abortion is wrong no matter the color, race, or any other reason. You want choice ? Choose before you have sex not to do it or use protection. This is the most racist pathetic thing Ho;mes could have said and for you to have a love fest over him is just as pathetic. I live in Alabama and will fight to do away with abortion regardless of color.

    • Alvin Holmes is NOT someone to take seriously. When debating some alcohol laws that would increase the ABV from 6% to 16% (that finally passed) he said “What wrong with the beer we already got? The beer we got drank pretty good, don’t it?”.
      He an idiot, plain and simple. He didn’t know what he was talking about with then and he still doesn’t know now.

    • http://2beapaperdoll.blogspot.com/ Cori

      Maybe, but he’s an elected idiot, which automatically gets him taken more seriously.

    • http://2beapaperdoll.blogspot.com/ Cori

      Maybe, but he’s an elected idiot, which automatically gets him taken more seriously.

    • JLH1986

      Sources that the majority of women obtaining abortions are black?

    • NYBondLady
    • jane

      I don’t know if it’s majority, but it is proportionately higher. Which makes sense, because proportionately women of color are poorer and have less access to pregnancy prevention because of the cost. It isn’t 60% however – closer to 30%, which isn’t that much higher than for white babies.

      As far as I’m concerned, though, it doesn’t really matter. Women, all women, need access to ALL FORMS of birth control, be it pregnancy prevention or abortion. What this conversation clearly demonstrates is that a lot of factors go into deciding whether to terminate a pregnancy (race, economics, social standing, etc). Some of those things may be “right” and some may be “wrong,” but at the end of the day, it should be up to the woman what to do with her body.

      And to answer your question http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/18/AR2005071801164.html

  • https://twitter.com/FaintlyXMacabre Theresa Edwards

    I find this interesting, in a rage-inducing way. (THANKS, Evebama). What he’s describing is a pretty well-known attitude. Long but worth the read:

    http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      that is mind-blowing. That German woman?

    • https://twitter.com/FaintlyXMacabre Theresa Edwards

      It’s pretty much crazy nuggets all up in that article.

  • tifygodess24

    This is about women’s reproductive rights not race. That’s just ridiculous , unless he has FACTS (not opinions) that the rest of us are unaware of he needs to take a seat – many of them. He’s bating people and its not the time or place.

    • NYBondLady

      AMEN

    • MellyG

      even if he had “facts” there’s no place for them in a pro choice discussion. Those ‘Facts” would be better used in anti child abuse laws, ya know, to prevent those dads from “forcing” abortion on anyone that didn’t want it.

      and like others have said – now those girls ill be abused in other ways. I don’t see the racist fathers (Assuming he is right) being all “oh you can’t get an abortion, so i’ll continue to love and support you”

      the fault is the parents, not abortion, i’m amazed at the stupidity (not at you, at the legislature)

  • Lee

    In my opinion it is too late to go back on the abortion issue. Making it illegal (or nearly illegal in this case) is going to force women into “back alley” abortions again. Isn’t it better to regulate and prevent things much worse than just the abortion?

  • Caitlin

    I am from the south and as much as it pains me, I truly believe that we have a different culture than our northern, progressive counterparts.
    This statement really hit home for me, and I honestly wondered why this argument hasn’t been vocalized before. While there is no way to prove the accuracy of Rep. Holmes statement, there is still a great deal of shame associated with affluent white women who are impregnated by men of color. I do not know every white representative personally. I cannot attest to their character. However, I have known many privileged white men whose public persona is of the utmost importance and I can say, without a doubt, Rep. Holmes statement rings true with the majority.
    Race SHOULD be a talking point in abortion. These laws are being created by wealthy white men and they are affecting low-income black women. The statistics prove it. There is a huge disparity in demographics between the lawmakers and their constituents. These representatives could not possibly have empathy for these individuals, because they have no understanding of their position.
    It sounds terrible because it is, but unless you’re from the south, you don’t understand our culture when it comes to race. I was never aware of racism until we moved to Texas from Washington. After 16 years here, I have come to accept that I was raised in a bigoted society. As a young adult, I once argued in favor of the use of racial slurs as long as they’re “gangsters”. This sickens me. There is absolutely no excuse, but our racial climate is generations behind. I was taught this by my community, not my family.

    I thought my point of view might offer some insight to the mommyish readers, who generally appear to be awesome Yankees.

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      I’m also from the south and I agree fully

    • ekf

      I live in the South as well, and until our recent move, most of my state and local representatives (nearly all local government) were black. I’m white. So…does that mean they can’t represent my interests? It’s not really that simple, is it? We aren’t all a bunch of back woods hicks, either, and there are plenty of racist Yankees.

    • Caitlin

      Of course not, and I don’t believe there was implication that race alone dictates political interests. You’re correct, it isn’t that simple, but to be fair, you are the individual who is simplifying.
      Saying that there is a different racial climate, is not stating that everyone in a given geographical location is exactly the same. I am proof of that. I am a liberal, culturally Jewish and religiously Buddhist woman from a southern city that voted 95% republican in the 2008 election and has once held the title of most protestant churches per capita in the nation. Every political issue is incredibly complicated, and as a nation we recognize that gender, sexual preference, religion, and socio-economic backgrounds play a role in decision making, why can’t we acknowledge that race as a component in our society and legislation?

    • Caitlin

      Additionally, no man regardless of race can empathize or understand the emotional significance of woman’s choice regarding abortion. However, they can sympathize and comprehend. I always thought I truly understood a woman’s right to choose until I was faced with the decision myself. It made me realize how incredibly personal choice is, and any woman’s reason is valid.

    • ekf

      I don’t disagree with a lot of your points, the parting shot about “awesome yankees” overshadowed them, though. We are complex and our history is complex- I’m tired of being stereotyped, too- and that’s exactly what this guy did. Seems to me, the more we change, the more we stay the same.

    • Caitlin

      I apologize, I was trying to compliment their general readers. I didn’t want my statement to be taken as insulting other’s understanding of what it really is going on in the south. I’m usually very quiet, so I felt preachy standing on my soapbox. I always feel like vocalizing the idea racism is more accepted in the south makes me sound like I approve of that as an excuse for hate.
      I completely agree with you about the stereotyping. I think his statement would be better perceived if he had said “some of you” rather than 99%. I was surprised enough by the boldness of his statement that I didn’t really digest that he was making an absolute statement. Using the world “all” when it comes to people is generally a bad idea. We are all so unique!

    • Psych Student

      I think that white upper class representatives can understand and empathizes with others. I’m not convinced Republican representatives can.

  • Sarah Penny

    “I like you guys who wanna reduce the size of government – make it just small enough so it can fit in our bedrooms.” Josh Lyman

  • ekf

    I live in the South as well, and until our recent move, most of my state and local representatives (nearly all local government) were black. I’m white. So…does that mean they can’t represent my interests? It’s not really that simple, is it? We aren’t all a bunch of back woods hicks, either, and there are plenty of racist Yankees.

  • Gretta

    Nothing like throwing accusatory, inflammatory statistics out there condemning a large group of people as racist hypocrites based on the color of their skin without actually verifying them.

    Sorry can’t get behind this one.

    • NYBondLady

      yup, just keep ignoring the huge number of aborted black babies with black mothers…nothing to see there…

  • tk88

    This really is so true. I had a friend as a teenager who was vocally abortion. However she fully admitted she would get an abortion if her black boyfriend got her pregnant, because she knew her father would disown her. It’s total hypocrisy.

    • NYBondLady

      I don’t see how this is hypocrisy in the pro-choice mind-fram. Lots of people would get abortions under some scenarios and not others. Just yesterday there was an article on this site advocating for abortion for a 14 year-old because of her age. Age/sex/race, why should the pro-choice community care under which scenario one aborts? Doing so, IMO, is admission that there is something morally reprehensible about abortion and justification is needed.

    • tk88

      Because if you’re against something, you should be against something. It’s hypocritical to say “Abortion is wrong! …but I think I’ll let it happen if —”. If you’re fighting tooth and nail to make something illegal, you shouldn’t be throwing in all sorts of exceptions. I know THEY don’t think it’s hypocrisy, but…that doesn’t mean it’s not.

    • Guest

      It is hypocrisy specifically because it is coming from people who are not pro-choice.

    • SA

      It is hypocrisy to restrict rights of others when you know that you would drive to another state to have the procedure done on your own child if the situation didn’t fit your idea of a family.

  • Muggle

    I’m from the South too and Holmes is right. I’ve heard of white girls being horrifically abused for dating black guys, and I don’t doubt that white parents would force their daughter to get an abortion if she were to get pregnant by a black guy. I wouldn’t put it past /anybody/ from my stupidly racist hometown. And with abortions being harder and harder to obtain it’ll lead to girls getting thrown down flights of stairs or punched or kicked in the stomach, or fed something harmful in an attempt to make them miscarry.

  • Kelly

    That’s truth? That 99% of white people hate black people so much they’d kill their own grandchildren for being part black? Not even 1 in 100,000 white people are tolerant enough to accept a grandchild of a different race?

    Well, I guess I live in a different world than the rest of you because that sure as shit isn’t truth anywhere I’ve lived.

  • Véronique Houde

    I keep asking myself how and why this has happened… That in a country like the US, law-makers could WASTE time and energy going back in time and taking away people’s rights, instead of working out how to better support citizens in achieving the American Dream… Seriously, my mind is blown. More and more states are hopping on the bandwagon, making it more and more difficult for people to make decisions about their bodies and their lives. I thank god every day that I don’t live in the US…

    • rrlo

      Isn’t this awful? I just don’t understand how people are so willing to just give up the rights so easily. I don’t even know what to say about the whole race thing – I am shocked and appalled. I feel like we live in a Canadian bubble.

  • SarahJesness

    Isn’t your skin the largest organ?

  • gothicgaelicgirl

    hahahahaha i have to laugh at how hot under the collar people get over this, especially the woman who called a fetus/cell mass/baby (whatever you wanna call it) an ORGAN!!!
    LOL!!