• Tue, Mar 4 - 12:00 pm ET

People Who Think Babies Come With An ‘Off’ Button Are Intolerable

I’m so sick of people complaining about crying babies. Get a grip. Anyone who has a fit about babies who cry has obviously never lived in a city, or had loud neighbors, or had anyone interfering in their totally insular, somehow silent lives.

I hate to break it to you – you are not the only person who lives on this planet. We have to live here too, and some of us have babies.

This is something I think about often, because there is always some new story about someone freaking out about the presence of a baby. In some cases, it’s warranted. In others – not so much. The most recent story, was told by Dad on the Run – about this lovely letter left for his sister who had a crying child at a ski lodge. Her neighbor could not understand why anyone would dare take their offspring on a family vacation:

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Since when did having a baby mean you were tethered to your home until your child was a refined human who didn’t cry when he felt sick or scream for strange reasons? Babies do these things. Parents, contrary to popular belief, don’t sit around staring at them doing nothing to try to stop the madness. I promise you, if you are annoyed by the sound of a crying child – the parent is way more annoyed and also taxed with the job of being the one who has to stop it.

I understand wanting a sound sleep, that’s why before I had children I packed earplugs with me wherever I went. Now I have to actually hear these little minions in the night – so I don’t have that luxury. Travel prepared.

When my first child was an infant, I lived over a restaurant that decided to turn into a full-on nightclub on the weekend because their business was suffering. They brought in a terrible sound system that shook my whole house until five o’clock in the morning. It was the worst. In another apartment, my upstairs neighbor walked in heels all day. It was the strangest thing.

When I would step away from house to enjoy my lunch, there was always something speaking loudly into a phone or otherwise being annoying. Inevitably there were parents with kids who would be loud and annoying, too. As long as the parents weren’t allowing these kids to invade my space – I shrugged it off. You have to. Or you allow the world to ruin things for you. And that sucks.

This letter writer had her weekend ruined – not because of a crying child – but because she felt so entitled to silence she would rather stew in anger than try to do something about it. Ask the resort for earplugs. See if they could move her to a different room. Understand that kids cry and don’t give yourself a rage stroke. We are all in charge of how we react – and I promise you that our reactions shape our realities so much. If you decide that the sound of a crying baby is going to ruin your weekend – it is.

We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Exactly. But not for the reasons you may think I’m implying. When you understand that you can never totally escape the annoyances of others, you develop a more Zen-like attitude about it and drive yourself less crazy. Also, you come off as less of a jerk – so bonus.

(photo: Dad on the Run)

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  • Lauren_Alli

    I posted a comment that seems to have disappeared. That’s a bummer. My main point was that for a woman who is writing about being selfless, she sure says “I” a lot!

    • Kay_Sue

      It’s been happening to me all morning. I run Chrome, so I shut it down and restarted it and it seems to have fixed it. Finally. Before that, it ate so many brilliant comments. *wipes away a tear*

  • Alex

    Again, sorry. Although I’m sure it’s happened before and will happen again, I remain skeptical that this isn’t a bogus hoax created just to spark an angry debate.

    “Parents, contrary to popular belief, don’t sit around staring at them doing nothing to try to stop the madness. I promise you, if you are annoyed by the sound of a crying child – the parent is way more annoyed and also taxed with the job of being the one who has to stop it.”

    A bit skeptical about this at times also.

    • Kelly

      I don’t want to start an argument but I have seen parents simply ignore screeching babies in restaurants more than once. It blows my mind because I’m a parent too and I can’t imagine just sitting there and pretending it’s not happening but I have seen it.

    • JLH1986

      Yep. Which is why I save side eye for parents ignoring their kids (regardless of age) and empathize with parents who are doing what they can. Of course, given that the woman was in her room we have no idea if she was trying to quiet the kid or not (I assume she was because no one wants a screaming baby). But that’s one of those things you just roll with. Parents who ignore the wailing baby while eating…side eye. All day.

    • rrlo

      There is definitely a “bias” here in that it is much more noticeable when a baby is crying while parents are doing nothing. If the parents are doing something, babies would most of the time calm down. Most normal people probably tune out little baby noises and don’t even realize babies are present. We tend to notice the ones that are wailing for a long time or running around being obnoxious. Before I had kids – I never even noticed kids at the restaurant.
      So obnoxious children/parent combo is rare but GLARINGLY obvious.

  • radicalhw

    So the people traveling with a baby are selfish, NOT the person who believes they are entitled to The World’s Most Perfect Ski Vacation? Really?

    Okay then.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      Not to excuse the entitled attitude in any way, but even the el cheapo locals’ ski area near me charges $61 for a day ticket. It’s $125/day at the higher-end establishments, and I can only guess what hotels on resort property charge for a night…to give you an idea, the crappy motel in the town centrally located to several ski resorts/areas (so, again, not actually on resort property) charges $109 a night, minimum. From my penny-pinching perspective, one could draw a parallel between taking a vacation at Vail or Aspen (or even Steamboat, though it’s way more laid-back and, shall we say, local-friendly [read: inexpensive]) and going to a fancy restaurant based on prices alone.

    • rrlo

      Setting this one case aside, majority of infants are not screaming messes. They usually cry because they are hungry or tired. And when you fix that situation, they stop crying.

      Occasionally, the unpredictable happens. Like my son cried for 40 minutes straight in the car for NO reason one evening.

      But it’s not realistic to expect parents will change their plans based on an off chance that generally healthy, happy infant will cry.

  • Guest

    If this is not a scam: It is none of that lady’s business if a baby comes to a ski resort or not. Stfu lady. I will say if she had that much of a problem- go talk to the front desk and explain the issue. They can deal with the people who are annoying you and one of you can be moved. No need to suffer in silence and then write a nasty note yourself.

    • Kendra

      Seriously. She acts like these parents just decided the absolute perfect vacation for their baby was to a ski resort. It couldn’t have possibly been a last minute thing where the babysitter canceled or was otherwise unavailable. Or, maybe they just prefer to spend their time together as a whole family, baby included.

    • http://www.ambiencechaser.com/ Elizabeth Licata

      I’m just confused about the idea that a ski resort is not a suitable place for a baby. I grew up at tons of ski resorts, and there were always plenty of small children and babies around. It’s just not a weird place for a baby or small child to be. I sort of figured they’d know that if they were skiers enough to want to “ski hard all day and sleep at night so we could ski all day.”
      And ski lodges aren’t necessarily quiet, depending on the lodge. I have no idea why an adult that committed to a sleep schedule just wouldn’t bring ear plugs. I’m a really light sleeper, and when I stick a pair of those squishy ones in my ears, I can’t hear anything.

    • Kendra

      I have never actually been to a ski lodge, so I have no expectations. I would imagine it to be a family friendly place, myself. So I have to agree with you on that.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      I’m also confused, but more in the “why WOULD you bring a baby” sense–the ski resorts near me don’t have a huge variety of activities for the pre-mobile crowd and their parents, and stuffing a baby into one of those backpacks to take it snowshoeing or sledding seems like a disaster, given how poorly I’ve seen babies and toddlers react to cold weather, high altitudes, and being crammed into layers of clothing.

      To me, a ski resort seems like a great family vacation only once everyone’s able to stand up and move around on their own–then the parents can drop the kids off at ski school and lounge around drinking Bloody Marys and wine all day. But that’s just the opinion of someone who does not and will not have kids.

      Also, the letter-writer is bloody rude. I despise babies’ crying as much as the next person, but it’s my further opinion that you can move rooms. I further opine, in the condescending manner of an expert skier, that if this b-hole were TRULY getting a “hard day of skiing” in, she’d be tired enough to sleep through anything.

  • Kay_Sue

    One, I’m now forever skeptical of these posts. I can’t help it. There’s just been too many examples in recent memory of things that went viral, and then came out to be PR stunts.

    That being said, if this is, in fact, true, it’s a real shame. I’m always on the side of parents doing whatever they can to control their kids and make any interaction with other people, whether intentional or unintentional, as courteous and pleasant as possible.

    BUT…that only goes so far with kids. It sucks, but they are autonomous beings that (unless mine were defective) are not equipped with off switches.

  • Crusty Socks

    I’m gonna invent a portable baby cry room.

    http://www.kickstarter.com/portablebabycryroom

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      My god, that would be brilliant.

  • PrairieCoast

    How can an adult person not yet have learned to travel with earplugs and/or a white noise machine?

  • Sara

    If the baby is in a place it doesn’t need to be and starts screaming it’s head off I’m goin to be annoyed. And I’m sorry if that offends people, but it’s human nature to be annoyed by high-pitched crying. I’m not going to cut the parents some eyes or tell them anything, but yes I will be annoyed.

    • Ana

      But who are you to decide where a baby doesn’t need to be?

    • Jessifer

      I personally think there are a lot of places where babies don’t belong. I wouldn’t bring my son to a fancy restaurant or an evening movie because I personally don’t think it’s appropriate. However, the issue is not always so black & white and it is easy for people to make assumptions. For example, my husband is from the Caribbean so whenever we travel there, 99% of the people on the flight are tourists going to fancy resorts. They probably think we are morons for taking a small baby to a place like that, when the truth is that we are bringing our child to visit his grandparents. Of course, no one on the flight rolling their eyes at us for “ruining” their precious flight with our baby’s whining would know that, unless they took the time to talk to us.

    • Kelly

      Yeah, that’s true. I live in Las Vegas and I’ve had plenty of dirty looks and nasty comments for “bringing” my young son here. Except we live here. This is our hometown and we sure aren’t going to hide in our house all the time to please some bitchy tourists.

    • Ana

      I agree that there are a lot of places that aren’t exactly appropriate to bring a baby, but it is still up to the parents’ discretion. A ski resort is basically a nice hotel. I am bringing my 2 year old to a hot springs resort in a few months for a wedding. She might be noisy or irritate someone at some point, and they may wonder why I would bring a small child to a place like that. That doesn’t give them any right to be nasty to me about it.

    • Janette

      There are places that are an absolute NO to bringing babies, and are definitely not up to the parents’ discretion. For instance, as stated above, not in bars, night clubs, expensive restaurants, or adult only resorts. Things like movies, the theatre, concerts, etc are also not places to bring a baby whose crying is unpredictable and where people go to be able to listen to something without extraneous noise. These are places where it is a sign of extreme rudeness to bring a baby. A ski resort, not so much though although even cross-country skiing with a baby in a wrap sounds stupidly dangerous.

    • Kelly

      There are places where babies don’t need to be. You have to realize that. If you don’t, I’m sure your local CPS will be happy to give you a list of places where babies absolutely should not be.

      Come on now, let’s use common sense. Of course there are places on earth unsuitable for babies and small children. I wouldn’t say a ski lodge is one of them but strip clubs, night clubs, etc. Come on now. You have to be smart enough to know babies don’t belong in those places.

    • Ana

      I never said there was no where on earth that was unsuitable for a baby, so YOU “come on now”. She said “If a baby is in a place it doesn’t need to be…” and we’re talking about an f’ing ski resort.

    • Sara

      FFS I never said that a ski resort isn’t a place a baby should be. Maybe, I should’ve clarified better so here it is.

    • Ana

      You have since clarified that, and I understand the situations you’re talking about being inappropriate, but when the original comment was posted it did sound like you were referring to this instance in the letter. Sorry if that was just my interpretation. Of course there are places that babies don’t belong, I was just annoyed with Kelly’s rude comment about common sense and CPS.

    • Sara

      I know and the comment sounds really bitchy (the first and try reply to you). And I’m really sorry for being rude.
      And I’m not trying to justify anything I just really like all of y’all and don’t want any of you to think I’m a dick. I posted the first comment after coming back from an hour of water therapy that didn’t go well and involved pain, sexist comments, and tears. So I wasn’t in a good place when I wrote it and I apologize if anyone was horribly offended.

    • Ana

      The funny thing is I think we’re all pretty much in agreement on this. It just can be hard to communicate effectively on matters of opinion through the internet. I do not think you’re a dick, and I hope I’m not looking like too big of one either. Here’s hoping your day turns around.

    • Sara

      Thank you :) and you were not in any way dickish!

    • Sara

      My first comment and my reply to you were bitchy and I apologize for not stating my point better.
      Also, because I like y’all and don’t want y’all to think I’m a child hating bitch here is the story of why Sara is bitchy (not that the events excuse my bitchyness).
      Today, I had water therapy which kicked my ass and involved tears, sexist comments, a little girl calling me fat, an older man calling me fat, and Sara being a big emotional ball of anger, sad, and self-loathing. That being said I apologize if I horribly offended anyone

    • Zoe Lansing

      I’m sorry :( Hopefully that girl was not over the age of about 3 and her parents teach her some manners ASAP.I also hope the older man was senile and, if he wasn’t, somebody told him off for being an asshole.

    • Sara

      The girl was like six and the guy was in fifties maybe. Thankfully, the dude who does my water therapy very nicely verbally bitched slapped them into place :)

    • Zoe Lansing

      Yay for your water therapy dude!!!

    • Sara

      I had a child try and rip out my IV in my pre-admit for surgery do that is one place I will have an issue with kids being unless the kid is well behaved. This same child tried to climb on my bed and bounce on me while his mother tittered at his antics. And I get not having child care for things I understand! But this mother and father had a whole gaggle of aunts and uncles to sit around telling racist and homophobic jokes to the girl ACTUALLY getting the surgery.
      Other places? Go for it. Unless it’s like a bar(unless it’s having a family friendly event) or strip club or anywhere else adults only.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      That child would’ve gotten launched straight off my bed, even if I weren’t being prepped for surgery! I commend you on your stoicism.

    • Sara

      My mom actually grabbed it and basically threw it at it’s mom. And then had me transferred to a private room. I was too busy crying because the little shit had bounced on my hip. The one I was having surgery on.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      OH GOD. I’ll just be curled in a fetal position for the rest of the night…Glad you had your mom to take charge!

    • Sara

      My mom said after I had been knocked loopy some of the kid’s family blocked the way to the OR and all she could hear me yelling was, “Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck Faaaaaaaaaaace moooooooooooooooove. Move fuck face!!!!! Stupid stupid fuck face.” I feel I handled it maturely

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      I’d say you won the argument even if hospital security wasn’t around!

    • Sara

      My glorious nurses probably would how’ve fought security for me!

    • That_Darn_Kat

      See, I was going to comment about how, sometimes there isn’t care available. My daughter broke her arm while at school last year. There was no one available immediately to watch my son, so he got to come along to the hospital. We were lucky she didn’t need surgery, but if she had, I still would have been in the position that no one could watch my son for a few hours.

      That being said, if there’s a gaggle of aunts and uncles, someone can take the kid back to a house for a few hours, then switch with someone else. I have kids, but what that boy did is NOT okay. I try to get my kids to leave people alone. Most of the time, when I say “let’s not bother that nice person”, they’ll say “oh, it’s okay, he/she can talk to me”, but otherwise, I am trying my damnedest to raise respectful kids.

    • Sara

      I understand the child care thing! My mom and dad are married but my dad’s a dick so I get it. I just hate when kids are in hospitals because of this one stupid family. If your kids behave go on with your bad self I will mentally cheer you on! But if I’m at a hospital for a planned surgery then that means I haven’t been on my meds for at least 24 hours and probably my skin hurts so I’m not going to want to talk to your kid. And thanks for not just immediately yelling at me about child care :)

    • That_Darn_Kat

      I’d never immediately yell at someone, I was just going to (attempt, nicely) to point out what I did, but it’s a moot point now :). Those parents were douchebags and I’m sorry that happened.

    • Sara

      This is stupid, but when parents apologize for other people’s children it makes me want to hug them so internet hugs to you!

    • fmttmm

      Just because everyday is the Brady Bunch for you and your family doesn’t mean that I don’t want to sit down with a beer once in a while and say the word “fuck” as loud as I want to. If you want to bring your little snowflake somewhere inappropriate, fine, but if you give me the evil eye for acting like an adult there, you are socially inept. Not everyone loves babies and I am not obligated to care about yours.

      If I’m at Applebee’s, I expect kids. If I’m at a bar, then you need to understand that you are interrupting people.

    • rrlo

      I think being annoyed is fine. I am VERY annoyed at my screaming child most of the time. But saying mean things to parents like this supposed letter writer leaves the world a slightly worse place.
      Honestly, if someone goes out of their way to be nasty and mean to me and my child – the last thing I would want to do is take extra measures to make their lives better. I care about society… but I will not be bullied and shamed.

    • Sara

      And I would never ever say anything to you about your crying kid. I get it, I cry too. But I hate when a parent gets confrontational about me rubbing my head because I have a headache that has nothing to do with their kid. And it really fucking pisses me off when people are staring daggers at the poor mom with a screaming kid, a full cart, and toddlers. That infuriates me to no end.

    • Angela

      What do you mean by places babies don’t need to be? Are you saying that babies or toddlers should never get to leave home unless it’s an absolute necessity? A baby’s greatest need is to be with his parents, especially if he is breastfed. Sure there are some places that should be off limits for small children but a ski lodge is not one of them unless it’s in a specifically adult-only resort. So if you’re annoyed that there’s a baby at your hotel, airplane, grocery store, etc then feel free to get as annoyed as you want. Parents get annoyed too. Just as long as you own that it’s your own problem and don’t actually believe that parents and small children don’t have as much right to exist in public as you do.

    • tk88

      She’s got a point. There ARE places babies don’t belong. Honestly…why would you bring a baby to a ski lodge? Clearly if you’re bringing a baby you’re going to be caring for the baby or leaving it with someone, because you can’t ski WITH a baby. Grocery stores, airplanes and hotels are a totally different story because everyone needs to go to the grocery store, and there are countless reasons someone would need to bring a child to a hotel or plane. But ski resort? I don’t see the point in going to one if you don’t ski…which you can’t do with a baby. And there are some people who just don’t want to have to listen to babies or any other disturbances on their vacations. This is especially true if you have a child that wakes up frequently in the night. The note was rude, but I agree the baby shouldn’t have been there.

    • Kendra

      I would assume if a baby was brought to a ski resort, it is because her entire family (parents, husband, siblings, other children, etc.) wanted to ski. I do not ski, but if my family was going on a ski vacation, I would go, and if I had a baby, I would bring the baby along. If I don’t plan to ski, then obviously I can tend to the baby, so why shouldn’t he/she come along?

    • Angela

      Yes, even if the baby doesn’t ski then parents or other caregivers can alternate skiing with the older kids while someone stays back with the baby. I’ve found that pretty much anytime we go somewhere with really young children either my husband or I have to sit out of something or other to stay at the hotel with a napping child but we still would rather vacation together rather than leave half the family at home.

    • ted3553

      I brought mine to a resort when we were sledding (skidooing) and we took turns watching him. It wasn’t adults only and there’s no way I should have to stay in my house until they turn 10. I do try to think about making the situation best for both us and the baby who’s now a toddler and try to avoid situations that are going to be horrible for those around us and me because I hate a screaming toddler as much as anyone else especially if he’s mine.

    • Ana

      Maybe the parents are taking turns watching the kid while the other skis. Maybe it’s a family reunion. Maybe they are staying there at night and exploring the town or doing other activities with baby during the day. Skiing is not the only thing you can do at a ski resort. You have no right to say a baby should not be in a public place. No one wants to be disturbed while on vacation. But when you leave the bubble of your home you accept that other people exist around you and have the same rights as you do.

    • Sara

      Unless it’s an adults only ski lodge I see no problem with a baby at a ski resort.

    • kay

      The name of a place doesn’t mean it’s the only thing you can do there. We’ve looked at staying at the lodge near us to snowshoe with our baby. We don’t ski, but we like the snow. And some snow activities can be done with babies. Or the baby has older siblings who want to ski, dad is skiing while mom watches the baby then they switch, grandma came and watches the baby while both parents ski, etc.

    • rrlo

      Unless you are the owner or manager of the establishment – your opinion of whether a baby should be there or not is inconsequential. That is you can have it – but it doesn’t matter.
      I vote. I live in a democratic society. I pay my taxes. I have a right to take my baby wherever I want (following established rules and laws). My baby also has rights to be with his parents – in fact his rights are equal as yours.
      As you see there are countless reasons why parents may take a baby to a ski resort – as mentioned by other readers. Parents are not second class citizens – neither are our babies. We have just as much rights to be ANYWHERE as you do.
      And if you expect courtesy and effort from parents regarding their children – then you have to exhibit is as well. I don’t mean to sound soap-boxy but it is offensive to continually be lectured by Internet people where I am “allowed” or “not allowed” to take my child. It is my decision. Not yours. You do not get a say. Just like I do not get a say about where YOU can go.

    • Williwaw

      Plenty of ski lodges are in touristy areas that have stuff for the whole family. I’ve also been in ski lodges that offered babysitting services. And maybe family members are going to take turns watching the baby while the others ski, so that the whole family can spend their vacation together (and also not have to pay an arm and a leg for a qualified 24 hour child care provider for a baby left at home). Whatever. Unless the lodge is some kind of special theme resort that explicitly indicates it is for adults only, I don’t think a baby at a ski lodge is inappropriate. It’s also ridiculous to expect a ski lodge to be quiet at night – most I’ve been in have restaurants/bars in them or nearby, and there’s often partying happening in the hotel rooms, too. If you’re that sensitive to noise, take earplugs along, or ask to be moved to a different room. Don’t be a jerk and leave an anonymous note because you’re such a coward you don’t have the guts to ask someone to be quiet (true, someone with a crying baby at night is probably already trying to quiet it, and might not be able to do much, but they might offer to have their room changed, or take the baby to the other side of the suite, or something). It’s just nasty to leave notes like that for total strangers, smug in the knowledge that you have left them feeling like shit without even knowing the face of the person who made them feel that way.

    • Iwill Findu

      Knew a women that would put her infant in a sling and take it skiing with her. Clearly not something just any one would do but if you’re a proficient skier then why not. So maybe mom and dad were both proficient skiers and intended to bring baby with them. Instill the love of winter early or some such.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      The lift attendants let her on the chair?!? Granted, they were probably stoned out of their gourds and didn’t notice, but I’m not sure that’s kosher according to most resorts’ policies.

      Furthermore, I’m a proficient skier myself, but even I’ve had some falls that resulted in losing a few hours trying to dig equipment out of the snow. I can’t imagine any mother wanting to risk that, no matter how good she is. It’s also rare that I’ve seen babies that were fond of the cold (though to be fair, I pretty much only notice situations that confirm my decision to remain childfree, which means I completely overlook children who are napping quietly).

    • Iwill Findu

      Cross country skiing, so no ski lifts or insane hills so your risk of fall is somewhat diminished. I’m not a great skier, but even I do ok cross country. It’s more like hiking then watch me go down this hill at high speeds. My daughter (6 months) doesn’t mind the cold as long as she’s got a snowsuit on and will often fall asleep when I take her out walking in the sling even in -20 c. Which if I’m keeping her out for any amount of time clearly I would have her dressed for the weather.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      Ah, that clears it up a bit, though I actually do worse on x-country skis, as I always try to do a hockey stop at the bottom. :/

      It sounds like your daughter is more resilient than I am. As soon as the temperature drops below 10 degrees Fahrenheit, I’m done.

    • Sara

      See I never said that kids don’t have a right to be in public. But there are some places that kids shouldn’t be. Like bars, strip clubs, surgery wards (unless they’re having the surgery or mom is breast feeding them), near welding equipment, oil rigs and many other things.

    • Angela

      ITA about all of those things but this scenario is nothing like any of the ones you listed.

    • Sara

      No they aren’t because I think the person who wrote the letter is a dick. Unless it’s an adults only place you should expect kids. But some places I think shouldn’t have as many kids.
      What does ITA mean?

    • Angela

      I Totally Agree

    • Sara

      Ok, thank you!

    • Sara

      Freaking Disqus keeps eating my comments.
      I cannot tell you where to bring your baby. But I think there are certain places where babies/small kid shouldn’t be. For example, pre-admit bays for surgery. Unless the kid is having the surgery i personally don’t think it should be there.
      And the person who wrote the letter is rude and inconsiderate.
      I have issues with certain stimulation and get overwhelmed and cry sometimes so I understand that kids do too. And the comments I make about kids crying are to my mom about me having to leave because it’s too loud for me. I had a parent call me and I quote, “a fat fucking, child hating cunt with no manners,” that was really fun for me let me tell ya.
      And I think it’s rude to confront people about a crying child unless the child is being beaten, abused, or stolen. That’s about it.
      And I can be annoyed and still be polite. It doesn’t make me a shitty person to not like kids and I’m getting really sick of people acting like I’ll freaking Sparta kick their child if given the chance. I’m perfectly nice to kids, I just don’t particularly care for them.
      And kids have every right to be in public just like I have every right to be.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      I am totally starting the Fat Fucking Child-Hating Cunts with No Manners club.

      Since I completely agree with your statement and am sorry that you had to deal with someone who honestly does lack manners, that is all I have to say.

    • Sara

      Yeah my soul sista! Brother! Whatever you identify as! Oh, and now it’s funny to me, but at the time I was like fifteen.

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      High five! And I do identify as female, even if one of my ex-boyfriends, in what he thought was a clever parting shot, once told me, “My friend says you look like a man from behind!”

    • Sara

      Someone described me as, “the unholy union between Hagrid and Robert Baratheon”

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      Speaking of true cunts with no manners…strangely, I’m now grateful that that particular ex wasn’t of a literary bent.

    • Sara

      The person didn’t understand why I was offended! The person followed it up with,”You only look like them! Personality wise you’re more like Snape and Tyrion!” STAHP STUPID

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      Wellllll, those are two of my favorite characters in their respective series, but that still would’ve been the point where I’d need to be restrained from inflicting serious bodily harm.

    • Sara

      I was too busy watching them swallow their feet >:)

    • aliceblue

      Wow, you must have incredible eyesight because I completely missed where Sara said babies/toddlers should only leave home for absolute necessity. Or could it be that you are reading way too much into the comment just so that you can get your drawers in a wad?

    • Angela

      Perhaps you are the one reading way too much into my comment. If you will notice I did not say that she said that. I ASKED what she considered places babies don’t need to be. When she clarified her point I agreed with her.

    • Kendra

      I agree with some of the others here that being annoyed is fine. If it were my baby, I would even be annoyed. I don’t think ANYONE enjoys hearing a baby cry. That said, public is public for a reason, and you can expect people with too loud TVs, partiers, noisy kids, etc. anytime you’re in a public place. I, however, am also willing to bet the baby didn’t cry THAT MUCH anyway. I had a neighbor that reminds me very much of this letter-writer. She told the landlord that our dog barked “all day long”, but one of us was home all day except for a two hour window. Some people are just grouchy and entitled.

    • Andrea

      Agreed. The screaming baby in a sky resort would have pissed me off too. Call me a bitch, but I really don’t see why they need to bring a baby to a sky resort.

    • Sara

      It would have annoyed me, but I wouldn’t have left a shitty note for the parents. The note I think was out of line.

    • Kat

      Well exactly. Annoyed, fine. Nasty letter, fuck you.

    • Jessica

      It was a ski resort. Skiing is a sporting activity where you strap sticks, or “skis” to special boots and then use them to glide down a snowy hill. Ski vacations are fairly family-friendly, and families sometimes include babies.

      The sky is that blue thing above your head when you are outside, perhaps skiing.

    • Momma425

      I think it depends on the resort. Some are very family friendly and others aren’t. It depends.

      Kind of like restaurants. If I am eating at Red Robin, fine, I understand that it is a family friendly place and I go there understanding that if there is a birthday party or a crying infant or a screaming toddler- well, that happens. Now, if I am at the fancy French restaurant down the street that I am paying over $150 for my husband and I to eat there? The one that doesn’t have high chairs, and has candle light and whatnot? Yeah- I guess you have the legal RIGHT to bring your kid there, but that doesn’t mean you should. It isn’t a family friendly restaurant, and if there is someone there with a fussy kid, I am going to be severely annoyed.

      Now, instead of writing a hate letter, they should have complained to the front desk or asked to switch rooms.

  • Tina

    I agree that people should be more understanding towards parents who are dealing with babies and perhaps find ways like ear plugs or being moved to deal with a problem like this instead of complaining. It’s part of life and we could can all try be a little bit more selfless here, no need for a note like that at all.

    But I would like to point out just one thing: BIOLOGICALLY, a baby crying is much harder to ignore and block out than other bothersome sounds like city noise and loud neighbours. It tears humans away from a relaxed and neutral state to triggering the same part of the brain that is responsible for “fight or flight” so that there is an instant alertness. Parents need to consider this to understand why generally there is so much fuss about the issue of crying babies and why it’s point out as being so irritating in public. It’s not personal, it’s how we’re wired and we’re all going to be annoyed with your baby much more than other noises around us. Read the article below:

    http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/oct/17/crying-babies-hard-ignore

    • Williwaw

      I totally agree – it is really hard to ignore a crying baby, even if you aren’t the parent (and this was true for me even before I had a kid). I liked the Guardian article, too…although it seemed to be indicating that listening to a baby cry made people perform faster and more accurately at “Whack-a-Mole” because it primed them for caregiving behavior…that’s sort of funny (to my twisted mind) because I don’t really think of “Whack-a-Mole” as a nurturing kind of game. (Maybe if you have to protect the baby from a horde of rabid moles?)

    • Tina

      Hahaha definitely a funny image in my mind now

  • val97

    I’m torn. As someone with life long sleeping problems, I would be pretty irritated if a baby kept me up all night while traveling. And I can’t imagine letting my own child cry all night in a crowded hotel. I just didn’t plan things that way when they were little. I didn’t want to take that gamble – they could be sick or grumpy or whatever.

    As for the annoyed guests, there’s a risk you take when staying in hotels. Ski resorts are notorious for loud guests and partiers. The person probably could have complained to management instead of leaving a passive aggressive note. Maybe the hotel could have given them some complimentary ear plugs.

  • SA

    One thing I don’t think others realize or have since forgotten is usually it is 100% more mortifying or harder on the parent of the screaming infant than the one hearing it.

    I am a bit torn on the ski lodge thing. I do not expect to sleep like I do (when I do) at home when I go out – you have the knowledge that you will be dealing with others and strange noises, etc. However I think if I had a screaming baby at a hotel/lodge, I would probably at least attempt to get out and take a drive with the baby, stroll around in the lobby, anything to get the child to calm down and get the sound away from where the rest of the guest rooms were.

    • Guest

      Yes, exactly. If that were my kid and they really were screaming the ENTIRE time I’d have to take them out. If only for the other guests, and my own sanity, so that one person could take baby out while everyone else on the trip got some peace and quiet.

  • Renee J

    I wonder if the baby cried because of the higher altitude.

    • Amanda D

      The baby was cutting teeth, according to the excerpts of the BIL’s blog posted on The Stir.

    • Renee J

      I read that, too. Sometimes ear aches look like teething in babies. At least that happened with mine.

  • pixie

    I’ve thought about writing an annoyed letter like that to my next door neighbour on a few occasions where she decided to sing really loudly (and not very well) after midnight on a weeknight, or have loud, drunken conversations with guests at 4am. The walls in my apartment building are far from soundproof.

    But then I remember I’m not an asshole (most of the time) and it’s really not the worst thing in the world. I eventually get to sleep, and she only does it every once in a while. Plus, if it were an all the time thing, I would go to my building manager to complain, rather than leave an anonymous note.

    • Jessifer

      When my son was a newborn, I felt terrible about him crying in the middle of the night because I was concerned it would bother my upstairs neighbours. However, that’s only because I didn’t realize how noisy they were during the day, while I was at work! After I started mat leave and was in my apartment all day long, I had to suffer several afternoons of listening to 4-5 people belting (more like shrieking) 80s Spanish balads at the top of their lungs while my son was trying to sleep. It was so bad that even my cat would sit there and look up at the ceiling, wondering what was going on. So now I don’t feel so bad. Our excuse is that our son is a baby… but what’s theirs?

    • pixie

      Yeah, I know I can make noise during the day. Actually, I have to in order to practice my flute (too lazy to go to the school, plus I don’t actually have access to the practice rooms), but I try to keep my flute playing between 10am to 5pm, when most people are at work, and there’s only one small child who lives in an apartment near mine (my building manager down the hall has a toddler, who apparently loves hearing me practice). I made sure I wasn’t bothering his daughter, and I don’t think there’s any other babies/toddlers in the building (that I have heard, anyways).

    • rrlo

      EXACTLY. My neighbour has five kids in a relatively small town-house. Those kids run around ALL the time especially in the summer when school is out and they would be up really late.
      We thought about saying something. Then we thought what could my neighbour possibly do to make his FIVE children quiet – absolutely nothing. All we would do is make him feel bad about the whole situation. Make them like us a little less – because they are generally wonderful people.
      It’s not worth it. Being able to put up with annoying shit is called being a grown-up and a good citizen. And while it’s annoying when the thing is actually taking place (the fourth time you are awaken by the loud neighbour) – the anger dissipates so quickly in the morning.
      I can’t imagine the type of people who would hold on to so much vitriol for so long AFTER the even takes place. It’s a recipe for a heart attack.

  • Jell

    I’m of the general opinion that it’s not my place to confront parents about their kids unless the child is engaged in something dangerous or causing trouble for me personally and a screaming baby in another room is not in one of those catagories.
    I do think there are places babies don’t belong. I’m not sure if a ski resort is one of those places. Honestly, I’ve never been to one.
    Babies that cry are just part of life that you have to deal with sometimes. I don’t think writing a letter to the parents does ANYTHING but make you look bad. Who reads a letter like that and says, “Oh! I’ve realized the error of my ways. Clearly I will never do that again!” No you think, ‘what a creep’ and go on with your life.
    If it were really that bad I might speak to someone at the resort about it, maybe get a different room? Then everyone’s happy. Well, except the parents who still have to deal with a screaming baby.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ohladyjayne allisonjayne

    Some of the disagreements here are really about the difference between “being annoyed” and “actively doing something to make sure people know you are annoyed”. I’m annoyed when I hear a kid crying, just on a very base level – it’s an irritating noise. It’s *supposed* to be an irritating noise to make sure adults respond to it so that the baby isn’t eaten by a mastodon or whatever. But I’m not annoyed AT the baby or AT the parents or AT my ears…it’s not the same as me being annoyed at that guy who takes up two spots on the streetcar by spreading his legs as wide as he can. That guy is being a dick, and deserves my cut-eye.

    If you give parents cut-eye, write them nasty notes, talk loudly and passive-aggressively about how babies should be seen and not heard? Then you are a dick. All you are doing is making sure people know you are annoyed and probably making a parent feel like they did something wrong by leaving their house.

    There are places I wouldn’t take my baby, but we’re never going to agree on what these places are. Unless the establishment in question is actually legally designated adults-only, then the baby has a right to be there the same as everyone else. If you want to make sure you never hear the sound of a baby crying, only go to adults-only places. Otherwise, it’s a crapshoot – public is public.

    • Sara

      See, you said this so much better than I did. I might be annoyed or overwhelmed , but I try not to let it show because usually the parents are trying. And honestly I’m annoyed at the crying sound the way I’m annoyed at fluorescent lights.

    • AE Vorro

      Well said!

    • Mikster

      I guess I’d just get busy with the husband and make sure you can hear a very loud and lusty session or five ;-)

  • Frannie

    When my daughter was born, the baby in the room next to us cried literally nonstop for hours. One day the baby finally stopped, and a few hours later my daughter, who was up until that point pretty quiet, started crying, so the parents started pounding on the wall to our room like rabid monkeys.

    That said, I don’t like dining or doing anything around screaming babies or kids either, but I get that it’s not something you can control. What bugs me is if the parents don’t do anything about it. I have taken my kids out of many a restaurant during a crying spell out of courtesy for others, but too often parents will just let their child continue to scream and not remove them from the situation. As for a hotel room, I think if it were me being kept awake, I’d have called down to the front desk and asked them to handle it, either by switching my room, or by calling up to the parents and notifying them that the baby was keeping neighbors awake. Maybe the parents could take the baby for a walk down to the lobby or something had they been aware the walls were so thin.

  • CrazyFor Kate

    It’s annoying, but there’s nothing you can do about it. My neighbors have a newborn, a toddler who seemingly throws tantrums every ten minutes, a shouting grandma, an angry marriage, AND a yappy little dog. It results in quite a bit of lost sleep, but I just ride it out and try to enjoy the soap opera next door. Plus even if I wanted to say something, we don’t speak the same language!

    • Me-Me

      Oh God I would die! If I had to live next to that shit, they would see crazy. I hate noise. I lived in Milwaukee a few years back at a complex that seemed to love foreigners, which tend to be more rude as it is. We shared a wall with some people from India. How they get 3 kids and 3 adults in a tiny 2 bedroom beats me. These assholes were rude as fuck! I work 3rd and one day I was trying to sleep. Their patio door was my bedroom wall. The old grandma came and got on her phone right under my window and proceeded to yell for four fucking hours in Hindi. I couldn’t fucking handle it. I went in the living room, opened the widows and blasted the raunchiest porn I could find. That bitch went inside real quick. One other time the annoying ass kids were acting a damn fool outside, while I was trying to sleep. So I got up, went to the window and yelled some obviously rude imitation of their language.

  • Justme

    Not knowing the situation surrounding the baby going on the trip, I will just say that it doesn’t exactly sound like my version of a fun skiing trip. But, like other people were saying, perhaps it was an extended family trip and there were more than enough people available to take turns with the baby.

    I’m going to just assume this is true so that I can make my next point…

    Perhaps it is due to the fact that I’m just not very confrontational with strangers, but I could never imagine myself being SO out of sorts that I leave that kind of nasty note for someone whom I have never met. Speak to the manager and request a room change or some sort of voucher.

    • Mikster

      How do we know she didn’t request a room change? Perhaps none were available- or perhaps they were not of the same quality.

    • Justme

      Still does not justify leaving this kind of note.

    • Mikster

      Maybe she doesn’t feel any need to justify it, LOL.

    • Mikster

      Perhaps she doesn’t fee any need to justify it anyway, LOL. I’d have just cranked some dubstep or metal to drown out the noise. In fact, if I were on vacation and just as entitled to enjoyment and making noise as the next room, maybe I’d do that whenever I was in my room.

  • Lulu

    I’m 5 months pregnant, and you better believe my husband and I won’t be hauling our baby around to ski resorts, beach condos, or swanky hotels until he/she is old enough to communicate in a way that isn’t high-pitched screeching. (In my opinion, we chose to have a kid, but the rest of the world didn’t sign up for our kid’s uncontrollable yelling.) Our friends have several 1-year-olds and toddlers who are good at communicating their needs in a quieter, less ear-piercing way, and it won’t kill us to skip a big vacation until our kid is more pleasant to be around. When we discussed getting pregnant, part of the discussion was “Hey, we might not take our nice annual vacation for a year or two, and that’s okay!” We’ll do short half-day trips instead, like the zoo or aquarium or children’s museum or the park; places fun for baby but also places we can easily leave if baby gets tired or overstimulated.

    Yeah, that note writer was being a total butt-trumpet, but…I’m at a loss as to why you’d choose to take a baby to a ski resort in the first place. Schlepping around all the baby equipment, throwing off sleep schedules, upsetting baby with an unfamiliar place and unfamiliar noises…I’ll stay home, thanks. :D

    • NotTakenNotAvailable

      You sound awesome, and I would totally buy you a beer if you came to my resort in a few years.

    • The Kez

      Ummmm maybe wait until you’ve been stuck inside the house for a week or a month or a couple of months and see how keen you are to get out then. A half day at the park just doesn’t cut it. There is a reason people pack up all their baby crap and take off on holiday. It’s because if they don’t they will lose their damn minds.

    • ejohns313

      I would not write that note, ever. But as a mother who traveled extensively with an infant, and as a skier, I also would not feel entitled to disturb ski resort guests all night with my screaming baby. I can’t imagine skiing after two nights of no sleep because of a baby, and I really can’t imagine inflicting that on neighbors in a place where people go for no reason other than a fun vacation.

      Being “stuck inside the house for a week or a month or a couple of months” does not necessitate a ski trip with an infant. There are lots of other ways to blow off steam.

    • The Kez

      Not sure I understand the logic. So it is the skiing in particular that makes it inappropriate for a small baby to be there? Or does that apply to any sort of leisure activity. You say you have “travelled extensively” with an infant, did you not stay in hotels or similar accommodation? Is it more appropriate if it is beach side and other guests are going to be laying by the pool all day rather than skiing?

      My husband and I are both lawyers and we travel frequently for work. Often if one of us is going to be away for a few days or a week, the other will bring the kids (2.5 years and 7months) for the weekend. This involves staying in all kinds of hotels and apartments, sometimes in business style accommodation. If the kids wake during the night we immediately try to comfort and settle them, but occasionally they cry. It’s no more disturbing than the traffic noise from being in the middle of the CBD or the drunken conference participants coming back to their room at 2am or the guy in the room next door getting a wake up call or setting his alarm for 5am. It is just part of staying in commercial accommodation.

      I am very conscious of controlling my kids and doing my absolute best to minimise their impact on other people but there is no way I am staying home for years and years for fear of making some cranky old bat tired during her ski trip.

    • ejohns313

      Some babies soothe easily. Others don’t. I would take my baby to a ski resort. I would not take a scream-through-the-night baby to a ski resort. If my baby suddenly became inconsolable, I’d leave.

      I can say that without making decisions about every vacation destination. This story is about a baby in a ski resort. I do not feel entitled to inflict a screaming baby on other guests at a ski resort. A screaming baby may technically have a *right* to be there, but it’s still rude to unapologetically expect vacationers at a ski resort to put up with it.

      Once again, it’s totally false to say your only options are “staying home for years” and keeping a screaming baby all night in a ski resort.

    • Me-Me

      I think the whole ski resort thing is that they tend to be expensive and normally you would assume that a child that young wouldn’t be there. Its more of a adult type thing, often richy rich snooty type activities (some places anyways). If you are paying several hundred dollars a day or more, would you REALLY want to listen to a wailing baby all damn day and night?

    • The Kez

      I take your point, I wouldn’t take my kids to a fancy schmancy restaurant. But any accommodation that is not explicitly child free? I think that is fair game.

    • Me-Me

      Maybe an unspoken understanding? If its a pricey place, you would have to assume people who are paying that much money, didn’t pay to listen to a screaming baby. Perhaps they were trying to get away from their OWN screaming baby for some much needed R&R.. I know little ones belong with their parents, and we shouldn’t have to miss out of life and fun because we have kids. But a little common courtesy would go a long way.

    • The Kez

      So I have to holiday with poor people until my kids get big? Well that sucks ;)

    • Lulu

      Agreed. My parents were big on saving for college/retirement, and when we took a
      nice multi-day vacation it was like…once every three years, so maybe
      I’m just tolerable of things other people find intolerable. My husband
      and I spend basically 51 weeks out of the year at the house because we
      have a mortgage and we need to save money. Half days at the park,
      library, outdoor festivals, museums, etc. are wonderful!

      If I find my
      daily routine so absolutely miserable that I can’t handle it for a two
      month stretch without needing a vacation, I find a new hobby. :)

    • rrlo

      It’s one thing to make that decision on your own. But just because you don’t want to do it doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t or even that is a realistic expectation to have with parents.

      Plus lots of people have like four/five kids. If they waited two years in each case, they wouldn’t be out for 8/10 years. It isn’t realistic.

      It won’t kill you to skip a vacation… but others don’t feel the way you do. Plus – babies don’t cry all night long. We travelled A LOT with an infant and he never really cried. But if he did – it would be an anomaly and we wouldn’t really expect it. And I am not going to stop my vacation plans based on the small chance that my crying infant MIGHT annoy someone.

      Honestly, most babies don’t cry for hours at a time. They usually cry because they are hungry or sleepy and stop crying when the problem is rectified. Once in a while they can be sick or teething or have a stomach ache and this may happen.

  • Jillian

    I agree the letter was completely rude and uncalled for. The reality is that yes kids do cry and become fussy. We all have to share this world together. However I don’t think that makes it okay for parents to just let their kids go one for endless amounts of time and not have enough manners to maybe head into a more private room/the car or somewhere where everyone is not trying to enjoy themselves. I am generally really good with crying kids and can block them out but sometimes in bad situations enough is enough. I have on the rare occasion witnessed parents sit in restaurants or shop in stores for over 30 minutes while their kids scream bloody murder at the top of their lungs the whole time and the parents don’t leave or make an effort stop them. If it is that bad and the kid is just not calming down parents need to exhibit some manners towards others and excuse themselves until the kid can handle it. I am ready for people to come at me for this but I’ll say it: I don’t care where you are if it’s Mcdonalds, Walmart, a high end restaurant or an adult only bar if your kid has been going off for a good 20 minutes or more and they are not stopping you need to consider other options.God knows my own parents had three kids and dealt with it too. Guess what? They took us out if we just did not stop because they wouldn’t want to impose on everyone else. Who wants to listen to “WWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHH I wanna candy bar, waaaahhhhh” for close to half an hour? Really, who does? A lot of people excuse letting their kids cry because “oh its Mcdonalds/the mall/etc anyway so who cares”. I care because it is just basic common sense that if your child is that upset and cannot seem to stop then you have to take them out until they can calm down. Its not like its an air plane your stuck on its most likely a clothing store, movie theater or restaurant. I am sure parents can suck it up and get a doggy bag to go until kiddo is old enough be more calm.

    • That_Darn_Kat

      My husband and I have an agreement. If one of our kids (and it’s mostly our son, who has developmental delays), begins to have a meltdown (crying, not screaming), we give it 5 minutes. If, after 5 minutes, it’s not stopped, one of us takes the child outside for about 10 minutes. If after that it’s still going on, we pack up and leave. Like I said, our son has developmental delays and a sensory processing disorder, which means he gets overwhelmed easily, but I’m not going to subject everyone else to his crying for 30 minutes, I just won’t!

  • Sam Inoue

    Maybe because I live in Tokyo and its super loud I don’t really get it. I never figure the world will give me a lovely silent vacation unless I have booked a like cabin in a really secluded location, or something. I hate that people so often make babies the worst interruption on the planet, of course I am sometimes annoyed by a crying baby just like everyone. Hell I am often annoyed by my own crying baby, but I try to give it sympathy and know the parents are probably try. Unless you aren’t, if you are very visually ignoring your super annoying I will certainly glare at you. And to the argument of if the baby should have been there, these people would probably been able to find some other noise maker to ruin their lives. People are not quiet by nature, babies included. On my honeymoon (the first night) there was a bachalorette party happening across the hall, it was loud as hell all night and the whole day leading up. It happens, were we annoyed? Yeah, but we didn’t write a note.

  • doodlebug2

    I’d like to know what resort they were at because I honestly do think that makes a difference. Some places are way more family-friendly than others. Some vacation resorts–perfectly fine to bring a baby. Others–not so much! Sure, the guy was a dick, but maybe it was a place where it’s pretty obvious that babies and young children don’t belong. Because there are such places as that. It makes me think of that recent story about the couple bringing their screaming baby to a really fancy restaurant. No! You can’t do that! There’s a middle ground here. On the one hand, you shouldn’t have to be sequestered to your house when you have a baby but on the other hand, there are places where it’s just not acceptable to bring them.

  • The Kez

    If I can suck it up when drunken guests stumble past my room at 2am, having loud discussions in the hallways then other people can deal if they can occasionally hear my kid. It is a hotel – close proximity to others is part of the deal.

    • Babykarat

      Amen. Can’t tell you how many times my sleeping quiet baby has been woken up by loud drunken conversation outside my hotel room at 2am. But I don’t complain because its a hotel and that’s what happens at hotels. Want a good night sleep? Stay home.

  • USCMOM

    While the parents most certainly had every right to take a small child to ski resort, they did NOT have the right to disturb others with a crying baby. The letter was a coward move. I would have called front desk/management/security and insisted on a courtesy call to the parents AND a room move. No way would I have put up with it for 2 nights. THIS is the problem with today’s society–ENTITLEMENT. Those around you should not accommodate your kids cries. Yeah, it sucks to have a crying infant (Mom of 3 here!), but a little consideration for others would have gone a LONG way.
    And by the way, what the hootiehell does the father’s occupation have to do with this scenario? He works hard, doesn’t get to see his kid, whaaa, whaaa, whaaa. Most parents work hard.

    • rrlo

      I don’t know about the parents – they may be entitled jerks – who knows. But the letter writer is DEFINITELY an entitled jerk. No doubt about it. All evidence points to it. They need to get a whitenoise app – costs like 99c and it would solve ALL their noise problems.

  • Jessie

    I read the rebuttal article from Dad on the Run and he was just a big entitled ass, too. In fact his “open letter” screamed of entitlement because hid BIL was a neurosurgeon and his sister was a lawyer turned stay at home mom and they DESERVED to keep everyone awake because they are super special people. A baby has a right to be at a ski resort, however if that baby is up all night crying, maybe a walk to the lobby would help? I get annoyed by people partying after 11pm in a hotel. People should just be more considerate all together.

    • aliceblue

      THIS. I was not a fan of either of the parties at the resort, but Dud on the Run is an epic jerk! The letter wasn’t the best way to handle things, but the parent’s jobs have absolutely nothing to do with the matter.

  • Liz

    Personaly I do not have children, but I have a little brother who is a toddler, and nieces and newphefs who are all little. If it wasn’t that the person put that they had children, I would think they have never been around small children. Since they have then I assume that they leave their children alot causing a very bad bond to be formed between them and their children later because they leave their children in other’s care so they can go off and have fun. The person who wrote the letter should take in account that if they think they and the rest of the people near the family couldn’t sleep, then the parents to the child deffentily hasn’t gotten sleep. A ski resort isn’t for just adults, they are for Familys, and there isn’t just skiing for them to do. Instead of calling the parents selfish they should look in the mirror because they are inconsiderate by sending a hateful letter.

  • Chris Bernholdt

    The ski resort in question has a kid’s club and provides cribs to guests who need them. If kids arent allowed to be places where adults would like to enjoy themselves, there wouldnt be anywhere for them to go. Dad on the Run’s sister wanted to be with her husband on a family vacation. End of story. Has no one been on a plane before? Babies cant control why they cry, its a response to their discomfort. If you dont have kids you will never understand. If you do, you have been thete before. It’s not like they went to Sandals with a baby. Get a grip people.

  • lucie uk

    So because this family have a baby they should put their lives on hold? Maybe they have other kids that do ski? Regardless. Screaming babies are annoying but when I see a mum in supermarket, flight, whatever, dealing with a screaming baby or toddler meltdown I give a sympathetic smile or offer to help – toddlers certainly will stop a tantrum for someone other than the exhausted parent. Takes a village

  • Nokidding

    The rude parents should NOT take a baby and disrupt everyone around them. There are too many entitled parents who think the world revolves around them and their brats.

    • Derek

      You never know what their situation is or where they’re coming from. It’s unfair for you to judge them not knowing anything about them. You should treat others how you want to be treated.

  • logica

    I hate how some people are posting stuff like “There is no place that a baby is not supposed to be because a baby is supposed to be with their parents, so where ever the parents are is wherebthe baby should be.” That is just silly, there many places that it would be inappropriate to have a baby. I used to work at an adult store (the kind that sells sex toys, fancy lubricants, and porn, just to clarify) and there was a strict no children in the store rule and I think that is totally fair. Kids were not banned because they can be loud or because the owner hated kids, but because many of the products were not child appropriate. But mostly it was because on one wants to buy a dildo or porn dvd when child is starting at them, that’s just awkward. More parents that you would expect were absolutely furious about the no child rule and would go on and on about how mature and quiet their three year old was and I would try my best to explain that it wasn’t the child, it was the nature of the store. Some parents just never got it and said some very inappropriate things to me.

  • Derek

    Everyone gets annoyed. Everyone has different things that annoy them. I think people just need to put themselves in others shoes. If you hear or see a crying baby, don’t give the dirty glance or say something hurtful to the parent(s.) Think what would you do in their situation. I’m sure they are embarrassed that their baby is crying in public. If everyone could just see it from others point of view I don’t think we would have so many bullies. You never know what their situation is. Maybe their family lives far away in another state, maybe they wanted a baby sitter but couldn’t find one or they canceled last second. Maybe they wanted to have a nice family trip with their baby, but the baby got sick and couldn’t stop crying. You never know where they are coming from. Complaining is going to do nothing for you, instead think of how you can help out or find a way to resolve the issue such as getting ear plugs or finding another room in this situation. Treat others how you would want to be treated.

  • Me-Me

    As a mom I can see both sides, however, I absolutely loathe noise. I HATE crying children of any age. Sets me off. Mine knows better. I feel some parents are rude and entitled. My girl acted a fool her first 3 or so years. So guess what? Her little ass didn’t go ANYWHERE! Not just cuz we didn’t want to deal, but I hate doing to others what I hate being done. My girl knows the rules. Before I go to work (3rd shift) whats the rule? No noise. She has been crying since day one and never stops. But she knows if she pushes the crying shit too far. I don’t think its too much to expect that when you pay good money for some time off, that you can enjoy that time. I understand things happen you cant control. But you CAN control who has to suffer along with you. A nice dinner, a crying baby just ruins it. Letting your brat run amok wherever he chooses, I am one of those people giving you the eye and secretly hoping he trips and falls on his face. I may sound mean but maybe you ever think this attitude is because we are fed up with entitled people with no regard for others?

  • A Restaurant owner in need

    I just came across this conversation, while looking for a polite way to ask parents to try to quite their baby. The issue is this, I own a pizzeria, and although it is “family friendly”, and I do appreciate all my customers, there have been a handful of parents that bring their baby in, and it continually screams for 40 minutes, in the meanwhile, it drives all my customers out of the restaurant. So the question is, what should I do, how do I confront this without sounding like an ass?

    Although I know babies can be loud, I do believe it is common courtesy to take the baby for a walk or something until he calms down so that other diners can enjoy their meal. Most parents are really cool, and do so, or at least try to calm their baby. But I do have a couple customers that just seem not to care, at all. So should I loose a large number of my customers, to cater to a few parents that don’t want to be responsible with their screaming infant? I mean we aren’t talking a couple minutes here, we are talking 30-40 minutes….

  • May

    I would be pretty annoyed too. Why do other people’s privacy and precious down time have.to be destroyed because of your baby? Do you think that it’s your right?! While I was saving up for a deposit on a.house I lived in several flats and apartments where it was imperative that one respects the other. A bit of.noise every now and again, fine. But people wother children at a ski resort do do get VIP treatment – that’s ridiculous. As for my situation, I now live in a terrace with a screaming, wailing, attention seeking toddler 2 doors down. I happen to be in between jobs now with a blessed 3 weeks in between. Hardly a day goes by without my peace and quiet being disrupted in my own home whether it’s at 7am, 2pm,.7pm (with the back door shut, but they leave theirs open!!). Some parents are clueless and I plan to complain today because I’ve had enough.

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  • amyinnh

    Years ago, shopping for a refrigerator 10pm, crying baby in the store, father jiggling the baby on his shoulder, baby bit him. Clerk said if I were that little, out at 10pm, I’d bite him too. And yet people wonder where bully and violent kids come from.

    A newborn cried all the way through the grocery store yesterday, while neither parent made _any_ effort to console the overwhelmed baby, would not so much as look at it. I felt so bad for this poor baby and wondered how it’d fair in a challenging world, already on its own at a mere few weeks old.

    Little kids are stuffed into whatever circumstance is convenient for their parent, dragged along like a meaningless sack of flour. The utter callous ignorance blows me away. This article reflects that ignorance.

    Babies don’t ski, even on “family” vacations, where apparently immature someones can’t give up either “family”, as in go ski alone, or give up skiing for a few years, for the sake of this baby’s well being. Because obviously, this baby isn’t enjoying their “family” vacation. That’s be the selfish part. The childish retort that everyone else does it, drag ignored overwhelmed, overtired, hungry kids around into inappropriate circumstances, as somehow justification.

    My sister often offers $10 to anyone who’ll go slap the parent(s).