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Moms Seriously Pissed Kids Are Being Made To ‘Freeze’ At School

shutterstock_63146341__1383485994_142.196.156.251Two mothers in Rancho Cordova California are on a mission to get their kids’ elementary school to stop making children hold the “freeze” position before they return to their classrooms after recess. They don’t want their daughters assuming the “almost pornographic” pose. You can’t make this stuff up.

The “freeze” position is a way to get kids to stop where they are and calm down. I’m sure we’re all familiar with “red-light, green-light.” If your kids watch Yo Gabba Gabba, they do a version too; Wiggle wiggle wiggle, stop. Wiggle wiggle wiggle, stop. Wiggle wiggle wiggle… hoooooold stiiillllllll… Administrators from White Rock Elementary School claims it has students stop at the end of recess and put their hands on their knees “to calm kids down, make the walk back to class more orderly and prevent injuries.” Mothers Donna Brown and Heather Neuman say, not all kids freeze at the same time and some children are left with their hands on their knees for minutes:

Neuman’s daughter is in the 6th grade. She feels the position is victimizing, and almost pornographic.

“My daughter is bent over and assumed this position,” Neuman explained. “She could be like that for 10 minutes, until you get kids to bend over and freeze.”

“Why are we preparing our children to take a submissive position for the future?” parent Donna Brown asked.

I wonder what Brown is going to do when she finds out there’s a song called, Head and Shoulders, Knees and Toes and the school has been making kids sing that, too? We shouldn’t be instructing our kids to touch themselves. That’s just wrong.

Are you kidding me, ladies? Administrators aren’t making children twerk back to the classroom, they are asking them to pause and put their hands on their knees. If you both truly think there is something pornographic about that… well, I don’t know what to say. I have no words. Brown’s school has taken her concerns seriously and now makes children freeze and put their hands on their noses, instead.

Here’s the Change.org petition if you want to see activism at work. Be right back; I just rolled my eyes so hard I think they’re stuck that way.

(photo: Felix Mizioznikov/ Shutterstock)

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  • keelhaulrose

    The only reason it’s considered pornographic is because it is in their minds. Unless kids are regularly seeing sexualized women in that pose it means nothing to them but the motion they make at the end of recess.
    And “dehumanizing”? These moms live one hell of a sheltered life if this is what that word means to them.

  • thisshortenough

    Man the image of kids having to twerk back to class is both horrifying and hilarious

  • thisshortenough

    Man the image of kids having to twerk back to class is both horrifying and hilarious

  • scooby23

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    Hey, and you know what? We should ban Leap-Frog from recess too! For those who haven’t heard of this disgusting abomination of a game, it is a game where young children are forced to either hunch down or bend over, put their hands on the huncher, and jump over them!!!!!! HOW ALMOST PORNOGRAPHIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We should ban freeze tag too! Children might accidentally freeze in an “almost pornographic” position!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH NOES!!!! And don’t even get me started on Twister…..

    (for those who don’t know, ’tis sarcasm.

  • Alicia Kiner

    I’m wondering why the school came up with the kids taking any position other than just standing in line? What’s the purpose of them putting their hands anywhere other than at their sides? I mean don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be too happy about my kids being forced to be in that position for 10 minutes or more because, hey, you’d think that would get uncomfortable… wouldn’t it? But really? Why?

    • kay

      I’ve seen different versions of the same idea, but basically kids are wiggle factories, and if your directions for freezing involve them putting their hands somewhere you get them still a lot quicker. This one seems silly though, and freezing should be a quick transition piece (everyone freezes to redirect attention, not to wait for 10 minutes. dragging it out is just asking for kids to find ways to still move, tattle on someone who isn’t frozen, etc)

  • Emil

    I’m not in education so maybe someone who is can set me straight but when parents are making ridiculous demands, or otherwise obsessively micromanaging what teachers do, can administrators suggest that they homeschool? To me homeschooling seems the best option when parents want complete control of every detail of their child’s day.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      *sigh* We think it but I don’t know anyone who’s had the balls to say it.

    • Andrea

      They probably think it, but I am pretty sure by law you cannot prevent a kid from getting an education at public schools. Certainly not because the mom is an asshole.

    • Andrea

      They probably think it, but I am pretty sure by law you cannot prevent a kid from getting an education at public schools. Certainly not because the mom is an asshole.

    • Sri

      Now I’m picturing my principal telling the parents that always remind us that “We’re lawyers, you know” whenever they don’t like how a teacher says hello to students (his was an actual complaint we had and litigation was threatened) to go take a hike and homeschool their child. It’s cathartic to picture, but it would never in a million years happen.

      These parents already want to sue. Do you really think that telling them to hit the bricks is the best option? You might be able to reach a compromise if you listen to their complaint and try an alternative (like the school did), avoiding a lawsuit. If you suggest that the child leave, not only are you hurting the child by making them now spend all of their time with their asshole parents, the parents are definitely going to sue.

      Legally, I think that the principal might be able to suggest that the school is not the best place for their child if a pattern of these complaints has been established. However, the student cannot be removed from the school over this kind of parental behavior. I believe I saw a case a few years ago where a student was removed from a public magnet school and sent to another school in the district because the parents made threats against staff, but that’s different from just not liking the freeze position that the school chose.

    • Sri

      Now I’m picturing my principal telling the parents that always remind us that “We’re lawyers, you know” whenever they don’t like how a teacher says hello to students (his was an actual complaint we had and litigation was threatened) to go take a hike and homeschool their child. It’s cathartic to picture, but it would never in a million years happen.

      These parents already want to sue. Do you really think that telling them to hit the bricks is the best option? You might be able to reach a compromise if you listen to their complaint and try an alternative (like the school did), avoiding a lawsuit. If you suggest that the child leave, not only are you hurting the child by making them now spend all of their time with their asshole parents, the parents are definitely going to sue.

      Legally, I think that the principal might be able to suggest that the school is not the best place for their child if a pattern of these complaints has been established. However, the student cannot be removed from the school over this kind of parental behavior. I believe I saw a case a few years ago where a student was removed from a public magnet school and sent to another school in the district because the parents made threats against staff, but that’s different from just not liking the freeze position that the school chose.

    • Emil

      I assumed as much but wanted to put the question out there because it’s something I’ve wondered about for a while. I wish there was more that could be done about these high maintenance, bully parents- it seems like they suck away time/resources and it’s not fair to the rest of us.

  • Aimee Beff

    Why is it that the people who act like human bodies are super gross are the best at seeing pornography anywhere and everywhere? Slightly bent forward posture? PORN. Hopefully none of the children are allowed to play football (think of all that time spent on the line of scrimmage with your ass in the air like you just don’t care) or run track and field (on your mark, get set, LUST). Hopefully the students will also be provided by the school with those grabby claw toys so that no one has to bend over to pick a dropped pencil or notebook off of the floor, either.

    • Angela

      So true! It’s like an obsession to make EVERYTHING about sex.

    • Angela

      So true! It’s like an obsession to make EVERYTHING about sex.

  • Amber Starr

    But I’m sure that these mommies have no problem buying their lil princesses track pants that say “Juicy” across the ass.

    Way to pick your battles, ladies.

  • kay

    I worked in a classroom where the teacher’s “1-2-3 eyes on me” routine involved kids putting their hands behind their heads (she’d had issues with kids continuing to color/read/play which is why the hands were added). It always cracked me a up a little, because it looked like tiny robbery suspects. But she did it just long enough to get everyone paying attention, not 10 minutes.

    • Guest

      I use a similar system, but I say “Utensils down, hands up!” (so they drop their pencils/crayons instead of going back to coloring while I talk). I call it ‘Top Chef’ positions.

    • CrazyLogic

      At least you use verbal signals. I had a teacher that would just stand at the door to get us to line up, or sit in the middle of the room to get us to circle up. She would dock minutes off of recess or points that go towards pizza on Fridays.

      When you’re a kid like me that doesn’t get non verbals cues…

    • CrazyLogic

      At least you use verbal signals. I had a teacher that would just stand at the door to get us to line up, or sit in the middle of the room to get us to circle up. She would dock minutes off of recess or points that go towards pizza on Fridays.

      When you’re a kid like me that doesn’t get non verbals cues…

    • Guest

      I think it’s fine to use nonverbal, if you’ve explained it and practiced it a million times (especially with little ones). I put my utensils down too when I tell the kids to have their hands up, so I’m modeling the behavior and I’m being fair- if we should be listening and not writing, I shouldn’t have a pencil either.

    • CrazyLogic

      When you have a student with paperwork saying they do not understand nonverbal cues? And are failing that student because of their failure to notice your nonverbal cues?

      You probably need to find a verbal cue that will work with the student. Even if it’s just clearing your throat.

    • CrazyLogic

      When you have a student with paperwork saying they do not understand nonverbal cues? And are failing that student because of their failure to notice your nonverbal cues?

      You probably need to find a verbal cue that will work with the student. Even if it’s just clearing your throat.

    • kay

      Ohhh when I am teaching again I’m stealing that phrase. I love it! (and I teach baking in the summers, it’d be especially appropriate there!)

  • Cee

    My gf was volunteering at a preschool and the kids would sing America the Beautiful, but the parents were afraid that the shed in “God shed his grace on thee” was too much like “shit” so they had the teacher change it.

    Like keelhaulse said in her comment. It is in the parent’s minds. The kids didn’t think this, they just sang the song until parents told the word sounded like shit.

    I actually think a pose is genius. When I TA’d and supervised the playground, students would compete as to who would freeze in the funniest pose. That created a lot of movement and a lil chaos while we were getting them to freeze. Also, I doubt they do this for ten minutes *eyeroll* that sounds very dramatic. Usually, the bell rings, kids freeze, you walk around to make sure everyone is freezing, then blow the whistle. Ugh, drama queens.

    I would not have chosen to touch their knees, but now think they should continue doing it that way. First, because runners and people who work out do it when they are done working out. They take a few deep breaths and wind down, which is the purpose of freeze. Second, it teaches kids that not everything is sexual. If they are sexualizing it, they must accept it is normal. People need to bend at times. What are we going to do? Never touch our knees? You must teach the child (and I guess the parent) not to be immature twerps.

    And really? REALLY?! A change.org petition?! Oh yea, that’s really up there with, you know, helping rape victims and all.

    • Peggy

      Things like this really make me kinda hate change.org. for every petition that garners attention to a cause that needs it, we have nitpicky petitions like this.

    • Peggy

      Things like this really make me kinda hate change.org. for every petition that garners attention to a cause that needs it, we have nitpicky petitions like this.

    • Emil

      can we counter the petition with don’tmesswithit.org?

  • Cee

    Hah! The comment section! This is my favorite part

    ” They also violate our children’s 1st amend right to freedom
    of speech at lunch. Collectively making them all be quiet or punished.
    Being told to eat more and talk less. not only do I promote
    conversation at mealtime, but now my son will shove a whole half
    sandwich in his face. I am alone over here and seeking litigation.”

  • http://wtfihaveakid.blogspot.ca/ jendra_berri

    This is on the farther end of the spectrum of how ridiculous uptight people can be when they don’t have enough to do.

    • Joye77

      Agreed 100%. Some people really need to get a hobby. And do they regularly watch their kids at recess at school? How do they know about this freeze thing. Did the kids come home and complain?

  • Guest

    If this position is pornographic, I’m assuming these moms don’t let their children watch sports. Football, baseball, softball, basketball, and track; a lot of people do it everyday. Heck, when I played softball this was my position when on the base paths. Sometimes, I even wiggled my butt, just to mess with the catcher. Do these women let their children bend over to pick something up? Or do they have to squat? The flip side of this, if the school didn’t use this system or something similar and an out of control student hit their little precious they would be all pissed off because the children are out of control.

  • Blueathena623

    I noticed that the mom said “she could be in this position for 10 minutes.” So, does that mean she is often in that position for 10 minutes? Or that the potential is there? Schools keep a pretty right schedule. I can’t imagine they would waste 10 whole minutes just waiting for kids to freeze.
    And how creepy was it that the news people took pictures of the kids on the playground to prove that not all kids freeze at the same time?

    • Reash

      Exactly what I was thinking. I’m a teacher and it shouldn’t take that long to settle a class. I think 10 minutes is a bit of an exaggeration.

    • Reash

      Exactly what I was thinking. I’m a teacher and it shouldn’t take that long to settle a class. I think 10 minutes is a bit of an exaggeration.

  • AP

    Sixth graders are certainly old enough to not need to assume some babyish gimmicky position to follow instructions and remain orderly. In my opinion, it’s a sign that the school has failed at instilling self-discipline in the earlier grades.

    These are 11 and 12 year old kids. If they are not capable of listening to directions and following them without constantly fidgeting and wandering off, they are seriously developmentally behind in impulse control and following directions, and the school needs to address that by changing its procedures. The whole freeze controversy is just a distraction from a far more serious problem with the school.

    • CrazyLogic

      I assumed that it was implemented for all grades at once.

    • CMJ

      In my experience, I have found six graders (middle schoolers in general, really) worse than children younger than themselves.

    • Romylove

      Isn’t it the parent’s obligation to instill their kids with discipline? I don’t know about you, but when I was a raging brat, my mom certainly didn’t blame my teachers.

    • Romylove

      Isn’t it the parent’s obligation to instill their kids with discipline? I don’t know about you, but when I was a raging brat, my mom certainly didn’t blame my teachers.

    • http://wtfihaveakid.blogspot.ca/ jendra_berri

      Yes. But not alone. There is a world of other parties who will have disciplinary choices with regards to children. The coach who will make a kid run laps for being late. A teacher who will send a child to the principal for mouthing off. A daycare provider putting a child in the naughty chair for throwing toys.
      A parent’s reach is long, but not always long enough. It takes a village.

    • Ann B.

      The problem, imo, is that teachers are forced to walk this thin line from parents who don’t WANT teachers to do ANY kind of punishment. Because that’s “their” job. So teachers are forced to tiptoe on eggshells with these kids, leaving the kids disrespecting the teachers instead of understanding that if they don’t behave with the teacher, they get in trouble!!! Further, with class sizes growing larger and larger (and salaries smaller and smaller), teachers just don’t have the energy to keep up with all those kids. There are a number of problems at play here, but I truly don’t blame the teachers on this one. They don’t have a lot of resources available to them.

    • Ann B.

      The problem, imo, is that teachers are forced to walk this thin line from parents who don’t WANT teachers to do ANY kind of punishment. Because that’s “their” job. So teachers are forced to tiptoe on eggshells with these kids, leaving the kids disrespecting the teachers instead of understanding that if they don’t behave with the teacher, they get in trouble!!! Further, with class sizes growing larger and larger (and salaries smaller and smaller), teachers just don’t have the energy to keep up with all those kids. There are a number of problems at play here, but I truly don’t blame the teachers on this one. They don’t have a lot of resources available to them.

    • http://wtfihaveakid.blogspot.ca/ jendra_berri

      Yes, exactly. They see it as “their job”, and theirs alone, like they own the child and get to make 100% of all decisions regarding a child’s every experience ever. A child is under a parent’s care, but essentially is a part of a greater community and there will be numerous parties who will help shape that child’s character.
      These sorts of parents need to let go of their god complex or their anxiety and accept their kids are people, not pets. They will have their own interactions with others, including other authority figures who need to be respected.
      Save the protests and rage for things that’ll actually hurt your child, not just make them feel inconvenienced or that you find annoying. Part of life is learning to cope with the inconvenient and the annoying.

    • http://wtfihaveakid.blogspot.ca/ jendra_berri

      Yes, exactly. They see it as “their job”, and theirs alone, like they own the child and get to make 100% of all decisions regarding a child’s every experience ever. A child is under a parent’s care, but essentially is a part of a greater community and there will be numerous parties who will help shape that child’s character.
      These sorts of parents need to let go of their god complex or their anxiety and accept their kids are people, not pets. They will have their own interactions with others, including other authority figures who need to be respected.
      Save the protests and rage for things that’ll actually hurt your child, not just make them feel inconvenienced or that you find annoying. Part of life is learning to cope with the inconvenient and the annoying.

    • nikki753

      First, at the end of sixth grade, I was only 11. So, let’s dial that back to 10 and 11 for some of us. Furthermore, I have an idea it’s a combined recess so it covers kids from other grades, too. Once you say, “Okay, the fifth and sixth graders don’t have to do this,” you have problems with the other kids throwing fits because it’s not fair and chaos ensues.”

      Managing children en masse (and really, even adults en masse) generally requires catering to those with the least impulse control and yes, doing a lot of things that are pretty childish because they work.

  • Guest

    I would have had trouble with that because I have spinal problems and can’t stay bent in that position (and did as a kid as well), but pornographic?! I think maybe they’ve never seen porn…

  • Guest

    I would have had trouble with that because I have spinal problems and can’t stay bent in that position (and did as a kid as well), but pornographic?! I think maybe they’ve never seen porn…

    • meteor_echo

      The 50 Shades of Grey movie hasn’t come out yet, so…

  • Good Gravy, bitch is crazy

    If putting your hands on your knees is pornographic, then I’m totally doing sex wrong and every porn I’ve watched should have a disclaimer that says “the positions depicted in this film are inaccurate, and do not reflect the way sex is supposed to be done. They are for entertainment purposes only.”

  • http://anniedeezy.tumblr.com/ Annie

    I wonder how they feel about toe touches during gym.

  • Mariah Grove

    I don’t understand the mocking tone of this article. What scientific evidence shows that bending down and putting your hands on your knees will cause less injuries and calm children down? This is just weird. Standing single file before you can come in from recess is one thing, this nonsense is just weird and I wouldn’t tolerate it either.

    • EmmaFromÉire

      I bet you’re a barrel of laughs at parties…

    • EmmaFromÉire

      I bet you’re a barrel of laughs at parties…

    • Whatwhatque

      While I don’t quite “get” the position (seems like schools have loosened expectations as parents get more permissive, the fact there there has to be a special position other than “stand still in line” for 11 year olds is a whole ‘nother issue) but the piece was mocking because the parents were trying to say there was something sexual about it which on one hand, is kind of absurd, but on the other hand, kids pick up on sexual cues alot younger these days and I really wouldn’t be surprised if some 11 year old kid (even if he hadn’t hit puberty) saying something about “dat ass” to a bent over girl as just something he picked up from the culture. Perhaps stuff like this was actually happening, I don’t think it’s AS absurd as people are saying. Just stand still, pre-teens, really.

    • SA

      Have you ever worked with children? Getting them to assume an odd position rather than just standing works so much better. It is something different and fun. it also requires their hands to have something to do (be on their knees) rather than pushing and shoving or any other inappropriate touching that starts around this age.

  • Mystik Spiral

    I think the real issue here is, what kind of porn are these mothers watching…?

  • Mystik Spiral

    I think the real issue here is, what kind of porn are these mothers watching…?

  • Rachel Sea

    I’ve seen a hell of a lot of porn (used to work for a site that sold porn and sex toys) and I cant recall a single one that featured that pose. What kind of porn are they watching, and why are they picturing their daughters in it?

  • nikki753

    Sometimes I think people get into this thing where they feel some need to have a cause. Whether it’s boredom or the desire to make a name for themselves or feel like they’re making a difference.

    With all of the truly bad things to be riled up about… this isn’t one of them.

    My bet is that one of the older children made an inappropriate comment to one of the older children and that is the real cause of this. I have a very bad memory from about sixth grade in which we were doing something in PE and one of the boys said to me, “Looks like she’s humping the wall!” and he and his friends all snickered. I had no idea what it meant but I just knew I should be ashamed. Kids that age can be supreme a-holes. Granted they’re going through a lot of changes and struggling but I’ll just say that the people who teach kids that age and do it well are freaking saints and I feel for everyone who experiences those years.

    Here’s a protip: Don’t exaggerate until it’s comical. Don’t get drunk on the attention and make it stupid. Talk to the principal adult to adult and let her know that the older kids have started making references to ‘dat ass’ and ‘twerking’ or whatever and so there needs to be a new solution. Cut this “Why are we preparing our children to take a submissive permission for the future?” crap. You think you sound smart but you don’t.

    Truthfully, it’s probably not a great position for pre-pubescent and pubescent children. Considering today’s reports that 9-year-olds are developing breast tissue, add a scoop-neck top and that position. I’m wearing a pretty modest top and I am still waiting to develop breast tissue but I’m pretty sure that if I assumed that position, everyone would see my polka-dot bra. So phrase it like that. Don’t go to the news and start waxing on about pornography because while that may show more than a developing girl wants to, it’s not porn.

  • nikki753

    Sometimes I think people get into this thing where they feel some need to have a cause. Whether it’s boredom or the desire to make a name for themselves or feel like they’re making a difference.

    With all of the truly bad things to be riled up about… this isn’t one of them.

    My bet is that one of the older children made an inappropriate comment to one of the older children and that is the real cause of this. I have a very bad memory from about sixth grade in which we were doing something in PE and one of the boys said to me, “Looks like she’s humping the wall!” and he and his friends all snickered. I had no idea what it meant but I just knew I should be ashamed. Kids that age can be supreme a-holes. Granted they’re going through a lot of changes and struggling but I’ll just say that the people who teach kids that age and do it well are freaking saints and I feel for everyone who experiences those years.

    Here’s a protip: Don’t exaggerate until it’s comical. Don’t get drunk on the attention and make it stupid. Talk to the principal adult to adult and let her know that the older kids have started making references to ‘dat ass’ and ‘twerking’ or whatever and so there needs to be a new solution. Cut this “Why are we preparing our children to take a submissive permission for the future?” crap. You think you sound smart but you don’t.

    Truthfully, it’s probably not a great position for pre-pubescent and pubescent children. Considering today’s reports that 9-year-olds are developing breast tissue, add a scoop-neck top and that position. I’m wearing a pretty modest top and I am still waiting to develop breast tissue but I’m pretty sure that if I assumed that position, everyone would see my polka-dot bra. So phrase it like that. Don’t go to the news and start waxing on about pornography because while that may show more than a developing girl wants to, it’s not porn.

  • jennifer hyndman

    “In the course of the day, hands will touch many sources of pathogens. Nails also harbor dirt and bacteria.”

    Hands on the nose? Now we are going to allow the sociopath to change policy so that the children are now forced to place their dirty, bacteria-filled hands onto their NOSE. This actually IS a danger. The sociopath forced the school to change a non-harmful policy to a HARMFUL one. Since she obviously has less than a decent education let me help educate her AND you. Why is putting your hands on your nose, mouth and eyes after playing (kids touch a lot of things AND dirt) BAD FOR YOU???:::

    http://www.atsu.edu/faculty/chamberlain/Website/lectures/lecture/introurt.htm

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8301/

    http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Nasal_passageway

  • jennifer hyndman

    “In the course of the day, hands will touch many sources of pathogens. Nails also harbor dirt and bacteria.”

    Hands on the nose? Now we are going to allow the sociopath to change policy so that the children are now forced to place their dirty, bacteria-filled hands onto their NOSE. This actually IS a danger. The sociopath forced the school to change a non-harmful policy to a HARMFUL one. Since she obviously has less than a decent education let me help educate her AND you. Why is putting your hands on your nose, mouth and eyes after playing (kids touch a lot of things AND dirt) BAD FOR YOU???:::

    http://www.atsu.edu/faculty/chamberlain/Website/lectures/lecture/introurt.htm

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8301/

    http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Nasal_passageway

  • jennifer hyndman

    Not to mention the mother IS A LIAR. She CLAIMS that her angel daughter has had to endure this punishment for up to TEN MINUTES! This is A LIE. WHY is she not called out as a liar??

  • jennifer hyndman

    “In the course of the day, hands will touch many sources of pathogens. Nails also harbor dirt and bacteria.”

    Hands on the nose? Now we are going to allow the sociopath to change policy so that the children are now forced to place their dirty, bacteria-filled hands onto their NOSE. This actually IS a danger. The sociopath forced the school to change a non-harmful policy to a HARMFUL one. Since she obviously has less than a decent education let me help educate her AND you. Why is putting your hands on your nose, mouth and eyes after playing (kids touch a lot of things AND dirt) BAD FOR YOU???:::

    http://www.atsu.edu/faculty/chamberlain/Website/lectures/lecture/introurt.htm

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8301/

    http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/Nasal_passageway

  • aliceblue

    Apparently these women gave birth to a couple of T-rexes if the children need to fully bend over to touch their knees. (I’m short armed and tried it out myself; a slight knee-bend is all I needed). Or perhaps the women have confused knees with ankles?

  • Jason

    Donna Brown and Heather Neuman are sick. To see an innocent act in young children as almost pornographic. Someone needs to call the authorities and have them checked out.

  • FF4life

    I guess their kids won’t be playing any softball in the future.