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Women In Texas Screwed Again As Fifth Circuit Court Of Appeals Overturns Abortion Ruling

4806864022_fbba3e1b31__1383396380_142.196.156.251There was a momentary sigh of relief last week when a federal judge declared Texas abortion restrictions championed by Republican Governor Rick Perry and fought by a now famous filibuster by Democratic Senator Wendy Davis to be unconstitutional. That didn’t last long; Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott filed an emergency appeal to the Fifth Circuit Court in New Orleans. It was granted, allowing enforcement of restrictions that will likely leave thousands of Texas women without access to abortion services.

Now, the anti-choice movement can jump for joy with the knowledge that not only have they made it nearly impossible for underserved women in Texas desperate for safe abortion services –  they have also prevented all of those late-term abortions they like to bring up so much; you know – the ones that account for precisely 1.5 percent of all abortions performed? These folks like to turn a blind eye to the fact that the majority of these abortions are being performed on women who really want children but whose second-trimester genetic testing has found fatal fetal anomalies that will guarantee if these babies do survive birth they will be subjected to a life of severe brain damage and the need for constant care. No matter. They don’t like to dwell on these pesky facts.

If any of these people who espouse this “pro-life” rhetoric actually cared for the children they so desperately want to save, they could adopt a child in the foster care system and care for some of the kids that have chronic health needs. Nearly half of all children in foster care have chronic medical problems. You cannot force women to have children they do not want and can not care for. If the anti-choice movement gets their way, a system that is already bursting at the seams with kids in need will explode with even more. But they don’t want to think about that. They just want to think about all the poor, precious babies they’re saving. Never mind that they don’t give a shit what happens to those babies once they exit the womb.

Here’s a quote from a similar court proceeding in Arizona, when the debate about viability came up in proceedings about a similar 20-week ban:

During a court challenge, a federal judge
worried aloud about the pain and
suffering Arizona’s 20-week ban would
cause by making abortion illegal even in
cases of fatal fetal anomalies:

“They’re basically born into hell and
then die…I don’t see how the courts
could act before viability.”

To this concern, Arizona’s solicitor general
replied:

“With due respect, that’s the
woman’s problem.”

 

(photo: Flickr/ CreativeCommons/ Jamie)

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  • gothicgaelicgirl

    “the woman’s problem?” are the freakin kidding me? so if I found out I was pregnant and that the child would be born only to die, after a term of pain and suffering, I have no right to try spare my child that hellish life?
    once again, it’s other people trying to determine how other people should live and how they should feel about pregnancy.
    my partner knows if the day ever came if I had a stroke or accident, and I ended up on life support, to pull the plug on me. it is NOT fair to put him and my stepkids through the pain of watching me die, of knowing I’d never have a full life again. so how is this any different?

  • gothicgaelicgirl

    “the woman’s problem?” are the freakin kidding me? so if I found out I was pregnant and that the child would be born only to die, after a term of pain and suffering, I have no right to try spare my child that hellish life?
    once again, it’s other people trying to determine how other people should live and how they should feel about pregnancy.
    my partner knows if the day ever came if I had a stroke or accident, and I ended up on life support, to pull the plug on me. it is NOT fair to put him and my stepkids through the pain of watching me die, of knowing I’d never have a full life again. so how is this any different?

  • Aimee Beff

    Wow. I guess the solicitor general is at least being 100% accurate when he says “it’s the woman’s problem” to carry around a non-viable fetus for four or five more months and then deliver a child that she gets to watch suffer and die: he and his anti-choice pals aren’t going to have to experience any part of that tragedy themselves, they just get to high-five each other for being awesome baby-saving heroes. Fucking empathy, how does it work??

    • Amber Starr

      Or, how about if the baby miraculously survive, but mommy needs help with food or shelter.

      Then, when she has the AUDACITY to ask for assistance, they can stick their fingers in their ears and sing “Neener neener neener! We can’t hear you!” and then look down on her behind her back and comment on how she “shouldn’t make babies that she can’t afford”.

      How they can sleep at night is beyond me.

    • Aimee Beff

      She should have pulled herself up by her bootstraps! Or her baby’s bootstraps. Bootie-straps? Surely a barely-surviving baby could have a job by 4 to 6 weeks of age at the latest. Or it could if not for those pesky “child labor laws”. THANKS, OBAMA.

    • Amber Starr

      Yeah…pssssh…. Only a SOCIALIST would wanna make it EASY for some baby-maker to feed the kids that we forced her to carry to term. If Honey Boo Boo can make enough dough to feed HER family, there is absolutely NO reason your lazy infant cannot do the same. Oh, you don’t like it? Well then you can get the hell outta MY country! USA!! USA!! USA!!

    • Amber Starr

      Yeah…pssssh…. Only a SOCIALIST would wanna make it EASY for some baby-maker to feed the kids that we forced her to carry to term. If Honey Boo Boo can make enough dough to feed HER family, there is absolutely NO reason your lazy infant cannot do the same. Oh, you don’t like it? Well then you can get the hell outta MY country! USA!! USA!! USA!!

    • Amber Starr

      Yeah…pssssh…. Only a SOCIALIST would wanna make it EASY for some baby-maker to feed the kids that we forced her to carry to term. If Honey Boo Boo can make enough dough to feed HER family, there is absolutely NO reason your lazy infant cannot do the same. Oh, you don’t like it? Well then you can get the hell outta MY country! USA!! USA!! USA!!

  • CMJ

    With due respect solicitor douchecanoe, go fuck yourself.

    ETA: Sorry for the fucks so early in the morning, my eloquence has left me in the wake of this idiotic ruling.

    • Cee

      It is never too early for cursing.

    • Cee

      It is never too early for cursing.

    • Amber Starr

      Never apologize for giving a fuck :)

    • Tinyfaeri

      No need to apologize. I thought you were duly respectful.

    • Tinyfaeri

      No need to apologize. I thought you were duly respectful.

  • http://wtfihaveakid.blogspot.ca/ jendra_berri

    The woman’s problem… Jesus. Not the baby’s problem? Not the father’s problem? Not a morality concern? Not a public health problem? Not a spiritual problem for anyone who gives a shit?
    The woman’s problem, therefore no problem at all, right? Our pesky emotions surrounding our suffering dying babies. Pishaw!

  • Cee

    If that is a woman’s problem…why not let women decide?
    But fuck logic, right?

    • Angela

      THANK YOU! If it’s not your problem IT’S NOT YOUR BUSINESS!!

    • Amber Starr

      BUT, BUT GIRLS CAN’T MAKE CHOICES AND THINK AND STUFF! Duuuuuuuh.

      (Please, for the love of god, note my sarcasm)

  • AlexMMR

    To this concern, Arizona’s solicitor general
    replied:

    “With due respect, that’s the
    woman’s problem.”

    EEFFFFFFF UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! Holy canoli. I just….Damnit! FFFF UUUUU some more!!!

  • Amber Starr

    “With due respect, that’s the woman’s problem.” And YOU, sir, are a colossal effing piece of swamp trash.

  • keelhaulrose

    “That’s the woman’s problem” said no one who ever had to suffer through that situation ever.
    There aren’t enough middle fingers on the planet to raise in honor of these asshats. (These being the solicitor dumbfuck and his ilk)

  • keelhaulrose

    “That’s the woman’s problem” said no one who ever had to suffer through that situation ever.
    There aren’t enough middle fingers on the planet to raise in honor of these asshats. (These being the solicitor dumbfuck and his ilk)

  • EmmaFromÉire

    Can women travel to another state for an abortion, or is that illegal? I know that’s an impossibility for a huge no of women, but is it legally an option?

    • elle

      Yes it is legally an option but as you stated not a very good one for a lot of woman.

    • Paul White

      legal but expensive. I mean, think about gas, hotel rooms, time off work, etc

    • Paul White

      legal but expensive. I mean, think about gas, hotel rooms, time off work, etc

  • meteor_echo

    You know, dear solicitor, if you get brutally lynched by a mob of angry women or the relatives of those who die in botched back-alley abortions, it will be your problem. But hey – not my problem, not my worry, right? I’ll be just partying here like crazy.Methinks it’s time for you to start worrying about the safety of your own white upper-middle class staunchly conservative testicles, because hell hath no fury like the women who are driven into a corner by your ilk.
    Fucker.

    • Paul White

      eh, try not to be too hard on the attorney himslef. He’s doing his job (i.e arguing for his employer) just like any other attorney.

    • meteor_echo

      1) He does a shitty fucking job if it’s the best argument he can procure from his big attorney brain.

      2) Dude, let’s NOT. I’ve been in a situation before when I had a pregnancy scare after having been raped, and I was terrified because I couldn’t afford an abortion. So I’ve been considering buying black cohosh or just stabbing myself in the abdomen with a kitchen knife – thank dog it turned out just to be a scare. But I’ll never, ever forget this feeling, and, believe me, if someone said “It’s the woman’s problem” to my face back then, I’d be in jail right now.

      I don’t care if it’s just “their job”, everyone who stands in the way of women’s reproductive rights and everyone who enables such people is a foul motherfucking twatsicle on a twatstick. Not even sorry for swearing.

    • Paul White

      I don’t give two fucks about vulgarity. I know some people do but I don’t.
      But if you believe in due process, you gotta understand that attorneys will do whatever they can to present their clients case in the most compelling terms possible. In the event there’s not much to go on, well, sometimes it’s not nice. Sucks but I’d rather have due process than ot.

    • Paul White

      I don’t give two fucks about vulgarity. I know some people do but I don’t.
      But if you believe in due process, you gotta understand that attorneys will do whatever they can to present their clients case in the most compelling terms possible. In the event there’s not much to go on, well, sometimes it’s not nice. Sucks but I’d rather have due process than ot.

    • meteor_echo

      The thing is, he’s not even trying to present this case in any compelling way. This is such a disturbing argument that I’m pretty sure it’d make some conservatives cringe as well – after all, some of them are women who want kids someday and who shudder at the prospect of having to carry a malformed fetus and then watch it die. This guy here just outright says that he doesn’t give a fuck about, like, half the world’s population. And it’s terrifying that he’s not afraid to say it out loud and that he isn’t even getting as much as a slap on the wrist for this.

  • pixie

    “If any of these people who espouse this “pro-life” rhetoric actually cared for the children they so desperately want to save, they could adopt a child in the foster care system and care for some of the kids that have chronic health needs.”
    This times a bajillion.
    I went to a relatively “liberal” Catholic high school. They gave us a decent sex ed course, didn’t shove their religion down non-Catholic’s (i.e me) throats, and were accepting of other religions. Abortion was rarely brought up and while I never heard any real violent reaction from the teachers, it was always a “very last case scenario if there’s a medical emergency only” type of thing. My school was huge into helping the less fortunate, so the idea of giving up a child for adoption was always pushed forward as “the right thing to do” by the teachers. However, I only ever heard of one teacher adopting a baby. The rest heeded the “be fruitful and multiply” (lots of young teachers at my high school, and some seemed to be constantly pregnant all five years I attended). I want to have one child of my own when I’m ready, but if I decide I would like another, I plan on adopting.
    There’s nothing wrong with having multiple children of your own, but I feel if you’re constantly shoving the “give your child up for adoption instead of having an abortion” mantra down everyone’s throats, it would be nice if you helped out with those babies you’re trying to “save” by adopting one.

  • Gangle

    “with all due respect, that’s the womans problem”. Any body who thinks that hates women. And hates babies.

  • K.

    “With due resect, that’s the woman’s problem.”

    Yes. Yes it is. That’s why it should be MY CHOICE TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.

    Dickwad.

  • Dr. Apothecary

    The unfortunate thing is that even if the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals had not acted, abortion in Texas would have still been illegal after 20 weeks. That was not part of the original lawsuit that ended up being so briefly overturned last week.

    I guess Planned Parenthood was choosing which of its battles to fight, but it did bother me that the original lawsuit was not fighting against the 20 week ban. As someone who’s currently pregnant (although, thank God not living in Texas), I am afraid of my fetus having a condition incompatible with life or even an extreme disability. My current fetus seems to be in good health, for which I count my blessings, but I am thinking of having another child, so the fear is still there. Being forced to be pregnant even longer (which is no picnic and has had a severe effect on my quality of life) just to birth a child at full-term that will die is not something I want to experience, and it would also increase my risk of morbidity and even death.

    We have freedom of religion in this country. To me, it is unethical to bring a fetus in to the world, just to die shortly after it’s born. I respect those that choose to birth fetuses with fatal illnesses, although I do not support going to great medical lengths to prolong neonate suffering when the condition is fatal. I also believe that each family should have the right to choose when to bring a child into the world with a severe disability, as it’s not a bounty of joy that a lot of people assume and can cause a lot of pain and suffering for both the child and its family.

  • Roberta

    “That’s the woman’s problem”
    BABIES: Now no longer requiring those pesky men to make!

  • Evil Stepmom

    “The woman’s problem”? If only they had considered that when enacting this horrible restriction on the WOMAN’S right to choose.

  • Evil Stepmom

    “The woman’s problem”? If only they had considered that when enacting this horrible restriction on the WOMAN’S right to choose.

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