• Wed, Oct 23 - 4:32 pm ET

The ‘Godfather Of Hipsterdom’ Mansplains What’s Wrong With Feminism

GavinMcInnes__1382558240_142.196.156.251Gavin McInnes is  a mouth-breathing Neanderthal. No, it’s cool – I’m not insulting him – he likes it that way. That he is a mouth-breathing, misogynist, Neanderthal is what got him where he is today. He co-founded Vice magazine and is known as the “Godfather of Hipsterdom” – and he never could have done all that if he didn’t have testicles. Yay, testosterone! Grrrrrr. Men rule.

A discussion on HuffPost Live about the contemporary meaning of masculinity devolved into the only female on the panel being called a “fucking idiot” because she dared disagree with his views on feminism and gender roles, namely that all feminists are miserable and that all women just want to fulfill their biological imperative to breed and be homemakers. And bake pies. They probably want to bake pies, too. I added that last bit:

Women are forced to pretend to be men. They’re feigning this toughness. They’re miserable. Study after study has shown that feminism has made women less happy. They’re not happy in the work force, for the most part. I would guess 7 percent [of women] like not having kids, they want to be CEOs, they like staying at the office all night working on a proposal, and all power to them. But by enforcing that as the norm, you’re pulling these women away from what they naturally want to do, and you’re making them miserable.

Seven percent of women like not having kids? Oooh, we’re making up statistics now, I want to play! I would guess 99.9% of feminists want to throat punch Gavin McInnes. I realize that would be totally out of character, because we are the weaker sex. If he’s comfortable stereotypically pontificating that all women are miserable if they’re not breeding and taking care of their families, then I’m comfortable stereotypically pontificating that he is so angry and disturbed by feminism because he’s got a small penis, a woman once told him that – and he’s been a misogynist ever since.

Gavin also thinks women should just stay home and breed because men are better in the workplace because they can tell others to fuck off better than women can:

There is an element of violence or at least toughness in running a business. Just the other day, this co-worker was telling us, “What the fuck, you moved this director over to this other job? And I had to come back and say, “Don’t come and give me this ‘what the fuck’ shit, okay? It was almost like a fist-fight with words and I had to do that in order to generate income to pay my bills to feed my children.”

Ha. Okay.

“My gut says the majority of women like being domestic and shaping lives.”

Thank you for speaking for the majority of women. We’ve been looking for a contemporary mouthpiece. I mean, we have Jenn Pozner, Jessica Valenti, Soraya Chemaly, and Andi Zeisler – but they’re not really working out. What feminists really need is advice from someone who started a whole “movement” based on the importance of facial hair and skinny jeans and derived fame from being an intolerable racist.

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  • Cee

    Ugh. What a douche canoe

    I don’t want children. I suppose I am at that “7%.” Buuut, I also don’t want to be a CEO. I want to have a good income, work and live a good life. It is what I naturally want to do.

    Also, if someone uses that language, you don’t engage and escalate that stuff. But, what do I know? I’m just a simple woman *twirls hair*

    **Well no, every time someone uses that language with me (I work in a male dominated field) I’m like “No no, stop, you don’t exist to me until you’re ready to speak to me professionally. Come back when you’re ready. K, thx, bye.” I like my back handed slap approach. You can see dudes stifle their rage stroke**

    • VicMcSeven

      Douche canoe is amazing.

    • Mystik Spiral

      I was all set to call him a douchnozzle. Same sentiment, I suppose. :)

      Anyhoo, this douchnozzle shouldn’t presume to speak for ONE woman, let alone the majority of us.

    • elle

      Yeah I also work in a male dominated field and i have never/would never talk to somebody like that or let them talk to me like that. Why are your convos turning into almost fist fights angry man? And you know what? I’m a mother and I also want to be CFO cue the gasps of horror from this man.
      .

    • Cee

      *gasp* It’s that aggressive feminism!

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      You had me at douche canoe.

  • Tinyfaeri

    Pie crust makes me irrationally angry. Seriously. I have to get ready-made pie crusts, or everyone flees in terror when I get a mixing bowl and flour out.

    • alice

      Pshhh, pie crusts are awesome! Use vodka instead of water. You can add so much more liquid, without compromising the crust.

    • http://anniedeezy.tumblr.com/ Annie

      This piece of news is life-changing. I get to have wine AND vodka in the kitchen?

    • Simone

      What the hell? Not sure if serious or jesting… pleasing either way…

    • Rachel Sea

      It’s totally true. You know how you can keep vodka in the freezer, and it stays a liquid? It means you can freeze dough, and still work it, so the butter doesn’t melt before the dough is rolled out.

  • CMJ
  • Shelly Lloyd

    “Godfather of Hipsterdom” is nothing to be proud of. He should hang his head in shame.

    • Sara610

      Oh my God. THIS. Every photo of this guy just screams “royal douchebag who tries way too hard to look cool”.

  • alice

    i basically tuned his excerpt out after: “[Women are] feigning this toughness. They’re miserable. Study after study has shown that feminism has made women less happy. They’re not happy in the work force, for the most part.”

    bwhahahaha, because MEN are 100% thrilled in “the work force”? OKAY!
    i guess i’ve been hallucinating every time i hear a man complain about his job.

  • Alex Lee

    In the discussion, when asked “why can’t a male be effective in shaping a life”, Gavin states how “ridiculous” house-husbands look.

    Yet, two years ago, he wrote this GQ, uh, article? about the sacrifices he made in becoming a dad:

    http://www.gq.com/news-politics/mens-lives/201106/gavin-mcinnes-being-a-father

    ** Warning: pixelated nudity of Gavin on motorbike **

    I think he’s still resentful or conflicted toward his kids.

    • elle

      I definitely get the feeling that he has some resentment to his kids for taking away his former lifestyle.

    • JLH1986

      or his wife. I’ve seen a couple men become asshats because their wife/partner had a small human to take care of, and that meant the grown human who can use his words became jealous/resentful.

  • Annona

    Oh, that guy can straight up go fuck himself.

    • meteor_echo

      Why only straight up? He can also go fuck himself sideways, in the ear, and off~

  • Andrea

    I’d like to “feign” my toughness all over his ass. With my spiky heeled boots. Jerk.

    • meteor_echo

      Let me join in on the fun – I have a mean pair of Doc Martens in my wardrobe :)

    • Andrea

      What I wanna know is who in their right mind reproduced with this ass hat.

    • meteor_echo

      I don’t really think that there was a “right mind” involved in THAT.

    • G.S.

      I have steel-toed boots! Can I come play?!

  • kugolik

    What a monumental piece of shit.

  • Aimee Beff

    TRUE GAVIN MCINNES FACT (TM): 100% of men love their jobs and would rather be doing nothing else, while only 7% of women can say the same. Also it is a totally normal and healthy workplace where you have to cuss and have “verbal fistfights” to communicate and coordinate with your team members, that is not at all weird and terrible!
    Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to go give manage my projects, send feedback to my co-workers, and get my work done in my inferior womanly way (a.k.a. like a GODDAMN ADULT).

    • Angela

      Wait a minute. All that’s required to be successful in the workforce is the ability to say, “What the fuck?” I can sooo handle that! Funny, I always thought my employer cared more about my skills, the quality of work, etc. But I’m only a woman after all. Now that I know a man’s secret to success I’m on my way to the top!

    • Aimee Beff

      I know, right?! My boss is going to be SO impressed when I walk
      into his office tomorrow and say “What the fuck, dude, I want to be assigned to
      the new development project so don’t give me any shit!”

    • Andrea

      Oh man, you can DO THAT???? I never knew!! well, I am just a woman after all, what can you expect.

  • silly_world

    LOL! I’m going to go ahead and guess that at least 92% of all people don’t want to be in the workforce at all, NOR do they want to stay in the kitchen and bake pie. Most people I know really just want to sit on the couch watching Netflix and eating cookies while the money is magically made and the kitchen is self-cleaning.

    • blh

      Lol this. So much. I’ve always said it was my dream to be “lady of leisure”.

    • Blueathena623

      Bingo. Doing that right now. The netflix and cookies part. Kitchen is still dirty though.

    • silly_world

      Me toooo. Scrubs and chocolate chip for me. I’ll wash dishes tomorrow WHILE my husband gives the 3 year old a bath. I’ll share the responsibilities, just not my damn cookies.

    • Byron

      I enjoy cooking. Not much baking but like, makind pasta and stews and roasting pork hunks, that’s art baby!

      Now, I guess if you’re forced to make art once or more a day every day you can grow sick of it, which is why takeout and restaurants are awesome, but I don’t like this shunning that cooking seems to get. People knowing how to cook well is a good thing and a significant skill, regardless of what gener-based issues stem from it.

      Cooking is showing love, at least ideally. You make something with your hands that the other person will take into their body and make it part of them. That’s freaking sweet. If you love your partner and family you should logically want to cook for them, be you male or female!

    • ElleJai

      I used to love cooking because I DIDN’T HAVE TO DO IT EVERYTHING DAY. Now I do everything possible to make it someone else’s problem.

      Turns out there actually is too much of a good thing…

    • Blueathena623

      Cooking is a good skill for everyone to have. However, it becomes a lot less fun doing it for two meals a day, every day (I’m not counting breakfast because we just eat yogurt and Cheerios).
      What bothers me about cooking, societally, is that it is one of the biggest activities assigned to women (see: get in the kitchen and make me a sandwich) but the vast majority of top chefs are men. There are some famous female chefs, but for them to be famous they usually have to crank out some cookbooks and have a TV series, i.e. make their cooking more home-like.

    • Byron

      I like to cook in bulk so I’m more inclined to cook for 2 hours and then eat for 2 days and do it back again than to cook twice a day for 30 minutes at a time. It really is something that I feel actual inspiration to do and when I do not I just go the simple salad/protein/grain route or I just order out or something.

      I find this also to be a cultural thing. My Greek grandmother who looked after me as I was growing up was like, the texbook housewife. Her BEING was cooking…and she was an awesome person full of love and slow cooked saucy delights. Someone like her would be percieved as oppressed by the system, rather than someone who lived a happy life and made other people happy through her lovely (and mountainous) piles of awesome food. I guess in this day and age it is not enough to be “just” that. I can understand that. At the same time though, I think people should not be shamed into being more than what they’re happy to be.

      As for the chef situation, that’s mainly due to the fact that kitchens used to be run like the military. In the older times if you fucked up you’d get actually physically beaten or have searing hot food thrown at you. It was not an environment for women. It kinda evolved with that as its roots and it is what it is today. It mirrors the military in many ways due to that.

    • CMJ

      That’s the whole thing about feminism….I don’t care what makes you happen, just as long as you’re happy doing it….I have no problem with anyone being a housewife. If that makes them happy, that’s amazing. I don’t judge that, at all. I simply ask the same in return.

      I just don’t need dudebro McInnes over there mansplaining to me how I “should” act in order to achieve his ideas of ultimate happiness.

    • Annona

      I love to cook. And I do see it very much like you say; making something with my hands that will nourish someone I love, an expression of affection. I grew up that way, with food being a big part of showing love to your family. I don’t have a problem with women (or anyone) loving to cook, and I certainly don’t have a problem with housewives as I am one. I think it’s damaging to people to tell them that they can’t like a specific thing because it somehow makes them not a feminist. However, I also think it’s damaging to insist that someone MUST enjoy something because of their gender, as McInnes is doing. The Betty Crocker cookbook did not fall out of my vagina when I hit puberty. I like to cook because I like to cook, not because it is a biological imperative. I also enjoy changing the oil in our cars. I think everyone is frustrated with McInnes because he’s so obviously talking out his ass to justify his own bias against women.

    • Kate

      This. As a stay at home mama (who was formerly a stay at home wife), I used to basically get looked at like I did nothing (for the record, I write, but as I don’t like to talk about my writing when I’m in the middle of it, I wouldn’t mention it). I would just joke that I sat around all day eating bon bons. So when I found out there used to be a piece of silverware called a bon bon spoon, you bet your ass I hunted one down. People are condescending no matter what you do in life, might as well act with a bit of sass.

    • Psych Student

      It’s like you know me!! To be honest, I actually want to do everything – I want to own and run my own company (kinky and educational pornography), I want to be a mother to two or three children, and to at least one cat and two dogs, I want to remain married to my *amazing* wife for the rest of all eternity, I want to be a home owner, a woman with a doctorate, and I even want to be a housewife who does the laundry, and bakes pie. All of this while sitting on the couch, watching Netflix, with my wife, cat, future children and future dogs, all of us eating cookies, and takeout and then we all snuggle up on my wife who will tell us a bedtime story an we will all fall asleep together until we get up and do it all again tomorrow.

  • Angela

    When someone says “Study after study shows…” but then instead of citing one of them backs up his claim with “I would guess…” and “My gut says…”

  • Rachel Sea

    Whose dumb idea was it to give this shitmitten a platform? Arianna Huffington could eat his sorry ass for breakfast, and like it. I’d rebut everything he has to say, but it’s all to obvious and easy, and not remotely worth it.

    • FormerlyKnownAsWendy

      Shitmitten! Thank you so much! Words I have gotten from Mommyish and love: shitmitten, tanty, and douchecanoe. The first two were just this week :) There are more but I can’t think of them right now :)

    • ElleJai

      Mouth breather and dudebro must be in there too ;)

    • Rachel Sea

      One of my favorite things about Mommyish is what good swearers we all are here.

  • http://www.3under3andaphd.blogspot.com/ 3under3andaphd

    I want to raise great kids and create policy…but, no pie baking :) And I wouldn’t be happy doing just one or the other, I need both!

  • Tara

    ew yuck go away you stupid misogynistic idiot stop speaking for women

  • Blueathena623

    Studies show that feminism makes women less happy? Maybe it just makes them more comfortable with expressing their unhappiness. Like maybe the ladies in the past we lying because good little girls don’t complain.

  • EX

    Feeling very grateful that I’d never heard of this loser before. I guess it’s official: I’m not a hipster.

  • C.J.

    I don’t consider myself a feminist. I don’t really like labels, I’m just me. I don’t feel like anyone is pulling me away from anything because of their life choices. Those aren’t my choices. Lots a feminists have kids and make pies, he makes no sense.

  • ElleJai

    I’d kill to be able to get out of the house and work. I love my little man desperately, but he is not my identity. He does even speak yet, and I like two way conversations A lot.

    I hate housework and would happily divide it up between working people. Or pay someone to make it go away.

    I’m miserable because society either a) says I can’t do what I want because I’m a lady, or b) expects me to do everything myself because I’m a lady, and thus am a multi tasking, working, studying, housekeeping, chef, child raising, family calendar keeping domestic goddess.

    There’s a middle ground available. If I have to build it on the mass grave of these idiots, I will.

    • Simone

      I like you very, very much for saying clever things calmly.

  • Simone

    Or, maybe women are a bit miserable because they are fifty percent of the world yet own less than one percent of the world’s property?

    Or because studies indicate that in heterosexual partnerships, even women who work more hours and earn more wages than their male partners are still doing more than half of the unpaid labour and in many cases around 80%?

    Or because thousands of women annually are still denied access to birth control?

    Look, I could go on. Looking for reasons why women are pissed off is not a fruitless search. It just takes … a brain …

    • May

      Thank you.

  • Rob54

    Yeeah, guys like this even make me cringe a bit. Once someone starts thinking they’re right too much of the time they star to sound more and more generally wrong.

  • TngldBlue

    Women aren’t miserable because we all wish we were back in the kitchen. We might be miserable because of asshats like this make everything so goddamn difficult for women by trying to subjugate us at every turn. Look buddy, until you have a vagina, don’t tell me what your “gut” thinks I want. Also? Fuck off (look how easily that fuck off just came out of me…kinda like I just punched you in the face with words).

  • Woodstockgurl

    I’m sure someone has already mentioned this, but if women with families and careers are unhappy, it might be because HAVING it all means DOING it all. Do men worry about balancing work and family? How many dads work a 10-hour day with an hour commute on each end and then come home to dinner, dishes, laundry, check the homework and who spilled grape jelly on the floor? Yes, there are some civilized, domesticated men out there who pick up their share of the slack. But let’s be honest: if working moms got support from their working husbands, the world would be a much happier place. But that’s not going to happen as long as “men” like this jerk keep telling dads their place is in the recliner with beer and TV remote, and not in the kitchen helping their family.

    • Sara610

      I work full-time, and I can honestly say that my husband does an equal share of the housework and child-rearing. It’s a partnership in every sense. But I also know how lucky I am and that a lot of women don’t have the same kind of support.

  • FF4life

    I love my kids. But if I have to be a stay at home mom I’m going to start drinking. I love working and I like feeling powerful in the workplace… And I’m good at it. Being a stay at home mom just isn’t for me. And I feel like if maybe society supported working mothers better by providing company childcare during working hours a lot more women would feel more comfortable to pursue successful caeers.

  • Ali

    I literally gasped when he called her a fu**** idiot at the end. OMG!