Since Our GOP Pals Are Screwing Over 9 Million Kids, Here Are Ways To Help WIC Recipients Due To The Shutdown

WIC 2Hey, good morning to all of you nine million women and children out there who receive WIC benefits, and for those of you who were planning on signing up for the supplemental nutrition program. For those moms out there who wanted to be able to get your babies cereal and formula and juice, I’m real sorry about this whole government shutdown thingy because you are some of the people who will be hit the hardest. Actually, not only am I sorry, but I’m pretty pissed off so excuse me while I take a break for a moment just to wish our Republican pals a good morning too:

Now that that’s pit of the way, here’s what’s going to happen. Those of you who have WIC vouchers or who are already signed up for the program, you can still use your vouchers until your state runs out of money for the WIC program. This all depends on WHICH state you reside in, so I cannot give you a definite time frame for when that will be. According to CBS News:

Since the government partially shut down at Midnight on Oct. 1, however, its funding has dried out. The Department of Agriculture (USDA), which oversees the program, noted in a memo last week without congressional approval of new spending, there won’t be any funding available for WIC’s clinical services, food benefits or administrative costs.

“States may have some funds available from infant formula rebates or other sources, including spend forward authority, to continue operations for a week or so, but States would likely be unable to sustain operations for a longer period,” the memo said. “Contingency funds will be available to help States – but even this funding would not fully mitigate a shortfall for the entire month of October.”

Different news sources are claiming that the average time frame will be two weeks. So, the money for this program, this incredibly important program that  serves 53 percent of ALL infants born in the US, will probably run out of money. I relied on WIC to help me support my first child. I’m pretty sure that if you didn’t receive WIC or you don’t currently receive WIC, you probably know a mom who does.  The Women, Infants And Children program allows participants to go to their local store and receive things like milk, peanut butter, formula, juice, fruits and vegetables, eggs, cheese and cereal using vouchers for women who meet the income guidelines to qualify. Considering about nine million women rely on this program to help feed their kids, there will be a lot of children who won’t get breakfast in the morning, a lot of formula fed babies who will go hungry. This, to me, is disgusting. It’s beyond infuriating.

I know the economy sucks and so many people out there are doing what they can to get by and that it’s not like any of us have piles of money lying around but I am asking you all to , if you can, buy some baby formula to drop off at your local food bank. Leave grocery gift cards, whatever you can afford, at your local store with the instruction it be given to a mom who has her WIC voucher denied. Pay attention when you are shopping and if you see this happen to a mom, try and step in if you can and buy her milk or eggs or juice. Ask your friends and family if they know a woman who is on WIC and see what you can do to help.

The idea of any baby going without formula or any kid not being able to eat breakfast because of the shutdown is beyond awful to me. Let’s try and help where we can, and for those of you moms out there who will be affected by this let us know the best ways to help you.  No one has any idea how long the shutdown will last, but even a day without a baby being able to have formula or a kid not being able to have a bowl of cereal is far too long.

(Image: National WIC Association)

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    • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

      OMG… I had no idea the level of an impact a government shutdown can have… This is horrendous.

      • NYBondLady

        Funny, I had no idea the level of impact the government has in supporting this many people.

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        What else do you expect when the chasm between the rich and the poor is so large? If the government supports large corporations and those who run them, then they have to support the disenfranchised.

        But what do I know.

      • NYBondLady

        Hey, I’m willing to accept that this is Obama’s fault, too! But most likely due to other societial changes such as single parenthood, increase in income limitations required for WIC, the general state of every welfare program ever in this country (I’m still looking for one that has worked-i.e., LESS people need it than when it was initiated).

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        But by all means, let’s punish those kids and babies and poor women for it.

      • NYBondLady

        No one is advocating for that. But it’s exremely difficult to provide a benefit and then take it away. The government knows exactly what it is doing by providing more and more mothers and children food: ensuring a democratic vote and making these people reliant on the government forever. These programs NEVER go away and the longer they are around the more people come to think of them as entitlement and not temporary aid.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        That is so NOT TRUE in many many cases but I think you and I have differing views and it’s pretty pointless to argue this because I doubt we will switch sides

      • meteor_echo

        You’re arguing with a person who’s conservative, is completely against abortions, and doesn’t support birth control being available via insurance. There’s no logic there, it’s kinda pointless to argue with someone who’d rather have women have no options other than having unwanted kids, AND no means to feed them.

      • NYBondLady

        Yup, there’s is just no arguing with those “conservatives.” And you’re wrong on the abortion front, as well as the BC comment (for the record, I don’t care if insurance provides BC or not, I just care if someone mandates something on anyone/anything). But since I’m conservative, I’m the absolute pitts and I have no worthy opinions. Typical lib just trying to silence a voice out instead of listening.

      • meteor_echo

        I wasn’t really talking to you, dear – didn’t you notice it?
        Except that I’m not – you’re all over the place with your comments and I’ve noticed you both in the birth control thread and in other threads as well, and you’re pretty much a typical conservative who doesn’t like when something is mandated on her, but surely wouldn’t mind to mandate things on others. Like unwanted kids or ovarian cysts, or being unable to get proper health care, for example!

      • NYBondLady

        A “mandate” on unwanted kids? REally? A mandate on ovarian cysts? A mandate of “unable to get proper health care”??? Do do understand that a mandate of health care implies that SOMEONE IS MANDATED TO PROVIDE the health care.

      • meteor_echo

        Well, since you’re opposing affordable birth control that would enable poor women to have both the option to not have unwanted kids and to take care of issues like PCOS, you’re basically pro-forcing these issues on everyone whose insurance already doesn’t cover birth control.
        I bet you’d sing differently if you were one of those women yourself.

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        Wait a minute! Wouldn’t making BC affordable mean preventing more pregnancies that would potentially mean less mothers and children requiring services like those that WIC offer?!

        OMG I MUST RUN FOR OFFICE!

        Or not.

      • meteor_echo

        *gasp* It would!
        It’s actually sort of ironic when reproductive decisions for women are made by a bunch of old MEN who know jack shit about biology, anatomy or medicine.
        Or it just makes them assholes.

      • NYBondLady

        Condoms are not affordable? Last I checked they were about 95% effective. So they could prevent 95% of unwanted pregnancies. How much is a pack of BC at planned parenthood? Like $15?

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        Wouldn’t know, but when I was on BC pills and only covered by my provincial health care (no private healthcare, my employer didn’t provide benefits yet) my monthly pack only cost 8$ and I didn’t have to convince my partner to use them.

      • CMJ

        You do know that for a great deal of people $15 is a lot of money, right? You also realize that when you are poor, it’s not easy to actually GET to a Planned Parenthood (they aren’t on the corner like a Mcdonalds)?

      • dcford

        @NYBondLady:disqus For the record, 95% effective does not mean it would prevent 95% of unwanted pregnancies. It means that when used CORRECTLY (which unfortunately given the state of sexual education in this country, does not happen often enough) they are effective 95% of the time. Important difference.

      • NYBondLady

        I believe this, although it’s hard to swallow. If people are having sex then I assume they are also of sound mind to use Google or YouTube if they need some further instruction.

      • Rachel Sea

        You are dead wrong.

      • Ennis Demeter

        Conservative solution to the age old problem of over fertility and helath care: use Google!

      • Grant

        Fuck you

      • EX

        You’ve gone and confused me again. Isn’t planned parenthood a federally funded program? You support it? Because I’m pretty sure the GOP is looking for ways to defund it. I’m just trying to get your stance on these things straight: affordable birth control, preventative health care funded by the federal government = good, formula and baby food for the children of poor mothers = bad?

      • NYBondLady

        just pointing to holes in logic. Condoms are affordable BC. The GOP is looking to defund PP based on their abortion stance, not preventative health care.

      • EX

        I’m not talking about condoms. I’m talking about the fact that you said BC costs $15 at Planned Parenthood, implying that this is an option for women if they’re insurance doesn’t cover BC. And you do know that Planned Parenthood only uses federal funds for non-abortion services? The GOP may oppose funding because they perform abortions but what difference does it make the reason if the effect is to deny women preventative health care?

      • Rachel Sea

        Except that only 2% of PP services have anything at all to do with abortions, and zero federal dollars go towards those services.

      • Ennis Demeter

        Bullsh*t. They are closing down women’s health clinics.

      • Ennis Demeter

        You mean the Planned Parenthood the GOP is fighting tooth and nail to close down?

      • Ptownsteveschick

        You are forgetting, all babies must be conceived and born, but then immediately forgotten about, if the mom can’t provide well enough she should have just kept her legs closed. Remember? Profetus/antibaby

      • Ennis Demeter

        It’s a mandate to provide your OWN healthcare, by getting insured.

      • alice

        Im pretty sure she’s just a troll

      • meteor_echo

        Unfortunately, might be not a troll. Humanity can surprise me sometimes.

      • Jake

        At least you are aware of it.

      • MAB

        What happened to families being responsible for their own offspring? My husband and his ex had 4 children by the time he was 22 and rarely took a dime of assistance. And it wasn’t any easier to make things meet then. He worked 2 and 3 jobs so he could support them and his wife could stay home with them. When exactly did it become the Federal Government’s job to feed and raise the kids? You really want your life and well being to totally depend on this bloated, inefficient, wasteful entity that is up for so much criticism? You really want to give them that kind of power over peoples’ lives?

      • Ennis Demeter

        Rarely took a dime of assistance? Who paid for those children to be born? Did they refuse Medicaid? Did they pay for all of their vaccinations out of pocket?

      • Ennis Demeter

        Are your parents or parents in law elderly? Who is paying for their healthcare?

      • meteor_echo

        I wonder if you realize that there are not enough jobs for everyone. Or that some people DO work two or three jobs to feed their families, but it’s still not enough, because the salaries don’t grow but the prices do. Or that ~pride of not asking the government for help~ won’t feed your husband, wife or kids.
        The Federal Government’s job is to help parents feed and raise their kids, financially and materially, because those kids will be the working force in a dozen years or so. They fucked up. No family can feed, clothe and educate their children well if there are actually no resources for it.

      • Janna

        “rarely took a dime” So he did take them? Did he give it back? It’s cute that it’s only necessary when people you like need it

      • keelhaulrose

        As someone who was on these programs and worked with people on this program I’ll admit there is some entitlement, but it’s not as rampant as portrayed. Most people I’ve worked with would love to have a job that paid enough for them to support themselves and their families. But minimum wage is laughable and the so called “job-creators” are always finding innovative ways to screw their employees and keep them poor. It’s a cycle. You come from a poor area with shitty education you can go to college, but you’re ill prepared, and soon back on the fast food line.

      • Psych Student

        Not to mention that poor women are less likely to have health care and therein access to birth control. Add to that the exemptions employers want to not pay for birth control if they don’t want to and the defunding of abortion clinics in several states and poor women are *sunk* when it comes to pregnancy prevention (other than condoms). How can we expect women to not end up with children and needing assistance if we don’t provide them the means to avoid such situations.

      • Blueathena623

        If they are ensuring a democrat vote, why do red states receive more assistance?

      • NYBondLady

        Simply, invidiuals vote, not states. If you are still confused: http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2012/02/do-welfare-recipients-mostly-vote.html

      • CMJ

        Ah yes, a good old personal opinion blog.

      • Blueathena623

        Very interesting. I’m going to see if I can find anymore recent data since this is pre-Obama.

      • Ennis Demeter

        You do realize that they are called “red states” because the mojority of the individuals who vote there vote Republican, right?

      • Ennis Demeter

        I’ve got no problem with poor families and children feeling entitled to eating and having healthcare.

      • been there done that

        You are very right. By taking the responsibility away from families and communities, the government ensures power over people. Then when the government shuts down, everyone is thrown into panic because we’ve been conditioned to stand by helplessly. When I’ve seen whole families raising kids in dependency because as they had more, they got more, I just have to shake my head at the unintended consequences.

      • Ennis Demeter

        NYBondlady- do you pay for ALL of your health care out of pocket? Because if you don’t, congratulations- someone else is paying for your healthcare.

      • noelle 02

        That is my issue with welfare too. The women I hear saying they can’t afford to work because they would lose their benefits. So our taxes pay to feed them because it makes more economic sense for them not to pay for their own family’s needs when they have more children than I do since we can’t afford to feed more than three kids? I have no problem with welfare as a temporary aid and to supplement income.

      • JMK42

        Except that WIC has a clear and absolute cap. It is for mothers during pregnancy, breastfeeding mothers for the first year (or 6 months, I can’t remember), and children up to age 5. That’s it, no matter what. It is by its very definition temporary. Nobody can think of it as a permanent entitlement because it is not.

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        It would be totally amazing if it was as simple as blaming one sole person for all of this turmoil because the solution would be just as simple, right? But the government is not a dictatorship so your statement is invalid, IMHO. That being said, I consider myself extremely lucky to be a Canadian who also has Americans in my family, both democratic and republican, and from every walk of life, both metropolitan and “small town”. Everyone seems to agree that this government shut down is detrimental across the board and is the the fault of more than just one person. I sincerely hope that for everyone affected by this situation, a resolution occurs quickly. That, I’m sure, we can both agree on.

      • NYBondLady

        …it was a bit of Obama sarcasm…

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        …it was a bit of sarcasm fail… ;)

      • EX

        I know, right? It’s so terrible that we live in a society that doesn’t want to let children starve to death.

      • NYBondLady

        Do you think that 53% of children will starve to death? Like, more children than in India, China, Rwanda, or any other poorer country? The income limit for WIC is around $43k.

      • EX

        I’m not sure I understand your point. Are you suggesting there’s a percentage that would be acceptable? Look, this a huge topic. We could spend days debating the state of affairs in regards to the economy, support for mothers and children, welfare reform, etc. and that’s a debate I am interested in. For example, I would much rather see our government fund affordable child care so that poor mothers could have a chance at working instead of relying on WIC, food stamps, etc. but the fact of the matter is that, if congress can’t get it’s act together there will be some very hungry kids in just a few weeks and that’s not enough time to overhaul the system.

      • http://www.asilee.com Asilee

        Ex and other women and men here of sound mind, don’t feed the trolls.

      • EX

        But it’s so much fun!

      • Angela

        Of course not all of the children on WIC will starve without it. For some families WIC just gives them a bit of breathing room but others really could not come up with the money on their own. Also it doesn’t make sense to me that WIC encourages lifelong assistance since only children under age 5 are eligible. Relying on WIC longterm isn’t an option.

      • Blueathena623

        Of course 53% of children won’t starve to death. But its painful to see a child in hunger, at almost any level. There have been times my kid was hungry only because I was late in fixing dinner, and his cries broke my heart.

      • JLH1986

        For a family of 4, I’d imagine it would be very difficult to raise a family of 4 on $43k. Since that’s what my husband and I make combined and sometimes with his medical bills and car taxes etc. its tough for us.

    • Blueathena623

      Shared on Facebook. Going to run to my local grocery store and see if they will allow me to leave gift cards. If not I will be doing a run to the only food bank-ish place in town.

    • BubbleyToes

      I’m a social worker so this pisses me off like no other! Why is it ok that people whom this has NO effect on get to decide when the funding resumes? And also the thing they are fighting so adamantly over will not affect them or their families either way bc they have so much money and do not have to worry about changing or buying insurance?? They could keep it shut down for months and it would have no effect on them. They never have to worry about feeding their babies! This is only punishing one part of the population and it is the part that needs help! I am in rare form this morning. Mad mad mad!

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        Me tooooooo, I rage wrote this so hard

      • Guesty

        I know you were trying to help by rage writing this, but the title “Since Our GOP Pals Are Screwing Over 9 Million Kids” instead of saying something like how to help in this government shutdown doesn’t try and bridge the divide. Everyone one of us should use all our platforms to try to find ways to get along and find things in common instead of adding fuel to the fire.

      • Alex Lee

        We just have to remember this when those senators are up for re-election.

      • Blueathena623

        Heck, write your congress-person now. While pen and paper may be more dignified, I’ve sent quite a few emails in the past few days.

      • Chrissy

        My inner social worker is right there with you!

    • Sara610

      I work for a church that runs a food pantry every other Tuesday, and I expect that we’re going to start seeing our lines (which were long to begin with) get much longer. I’m going to stop by the grocery store today after work and buy some extra food to donate.

    • NYBondLady

      Where’s the recovery? The hope and change?? Anyone care to ask why 53% of infants are reliant upon the government to be fed?

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        Being in a huge fucking stranglehold by republicans who hate poor people and women

      • NYBondLady

        Dems controlled the legislature during Obama’s first term.

      • Justmyopinion

        This isn’t a sudden issue, NY Bond Lady.
        It wasn’t like, oh crap, Obama got in and shit got real. This is an ongoing issue for decades! This is why we have a social net, to catch people when they fall. If they are using welfare it is because they fell, maybe their parents fell and no one showed them how to get up.

        Sure, you have people that abuse it. But I work with kids every day that if there had not been a social net, there would never be any hope in their lives of getting out of the crushing poverty.

        So screw your entitled opinion – You obviously have enough wealth to go out and help someone but instead you are a ranting on a message board about Obama. Screw the damn politics, can’t you see the government is in the shitter? And it is not a new problem. It’s about compassion, not about holding on to what you have… And that’s 99% of the issue with the government.

        Also, isn’t the whole reason the government is shut down because of health care, birth control and abortion? Yes, let’s fix the welfare problem by denying women the ONLY means of limiting the number of children she has which is actually the only way that she can have authority and action in her life – The only way she and her kids will get out of poverty

        Every day, people like you, governments like yours, make me DAMN proud not to be American.

      • NYBondLady

        You know how a lot of people within these comments on the site say things like “you wouldn’t know because you’re white” or “you come from a privileged background so your opinion is not valid” etc. Well because you are not an American, your stance is null and void to me.
        Ok, not really, because I don’t subscribe to that logic. BUT, I must ask, when is a social net not a net? What is it called when more than half are using the “net.” Or maybe, in 20 years, EVERYONE is using the net? It’s not a net anymore, it’s the norm. And I have a problem with that norm. As should everyone- taxpayer or not.

      • meteor_echo

        Aww, so the outsiders should just keep their mouths shut? Are you a sanctipolitimommy? As in, a sanctimommy with a political spin? Because your comments reek of absolutely astounding snobbiness. Yes, we have the right to have an opinion, and no, we won’t shut up despite your huffing and puffing. Deal with it, dear, deal with it.

      • NYBondLady

        I dont think you sensed the sarcasm? I admitted I don’t subscribe to the logic of not listening to someone just because he/she may not relate exactly.

      • meteor_echo

        In order to sense sarcasm, it must be well-executed. Yours wasn’t, so sorry not sorry for thinking it was a passive-aggressive elitist fit instead.

      • NYBondLady

        I think you just failed to read the entire post: “Ok, not really, because I don’t subscribe to that logic. “

      • meteor_echo

        Nope, I read it well. Unlike you.

      • Véronique Houde

        yeah… I think you need to use a *sarcasm* font ;)

      • Véronique Houde

        actually, being from a country that has a very different way of working can be super useful for discussion. You should pay attention because often times, by looking at how other countries run their programs, you can dispel myths.

      • dcford

        @NYBondLady:disqus where are you reading that more than half of our society is utilizing welfare as a social safety net? The article notes that 53% of infants in the US are served by welfare. Some people have more than 1 child. I know it’s a chore, but just do a little bit of math please.

      • http://twitter.com/mariaguido Maria Guido

        Do you actually believe more than half of the population of the country is on welfare, because that IS SO NOT TRUE.

      • NYBondLady

        why yes, yes I do, in the sense that welfare with-a-lower-case-w means any type of assistance. http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/06/soci-j07.html

      • CMJ

        So I take it you will not accept social security then?

      • NYBondLady

        For many people, they will never be able to get their money back, as that is how it’s supposed to work. (It’s supposed to be their money anyway). I don’t think many people are counting on it to be there, least of all the people that have paid the most IN TO the system.

      • CMJ

        Not my question – will you take it if it’s there?

        I’m 31 years-old. I might not get my SS back that I paid, but guess what? I still pay it. I also don’t have a problem paying it…or that my taxes go to help those less fortunate than me. I would rather not pay for wars and stuff, but that’s the way taxes work.

        Here’s the other thing – I am currently shitting at home on Furlough because I work for the Federal Government. I have no idea when I will go back to work or get a paycheck. I am lucky because I might be okay for a maybe month and a half (maybe not) but I worry about the women who might not get formula for their children or the veteran who needs mental health counseling or the kid who can’t go to school because Head Starts are closing or the people who are lower GS Levels than I am.

        The thing is, just because you’re doing so great doesn’t mean you’re not lucky as hell to be that way. It could all go south in a minute. Everyone is one big illness or a furlough away from bankruptcy.

      • NYBondLady

        SS is different. It’s a program that you pay your money into, the Gvt is supposed to hold/invest however it sees fit, and then you are supposed to get that money back. At the end of the day it is a wealth transfer program and nothing more. It pays for no programs (at least its not supposed to) and it is forced savings. It’s not “taking” if that money was yours to begin with.
        I’m sorry for your Furlough status. Welcome to the private sector.

      • CMJ

        Weird, when someone says they just got laid off, I’m not a sarcastic jerk about it.

        “Sorry you got laid off, welcome to the world!”

        And you wonder why I don’t have a very positive view of you and your opinions.

      • NYBondLady

        You’ve been condescending to me from the get-go. Virtually every comment is sarcastic or insults my intelligence. I think I’ve been quite civil based on what you’ve said so me so far.
        .

      • Guest

        I completely 100% agree with you, but you will receive nothing but down votes on this site.

        The irony is most commenters will scream for the government to stay out of their uterus and in the same breath demand money to pay for their birth control, to feed their child and demand to know why the government isn’t funding year long maternity leave.

      • NYBondLady

        Yes, I always get down votes and a lot of commenters tell me to get lost, but I figure there has to be a different voice in here once in awhile! Funny, all the up-votes I get are from “guests.” It can be scary to be a contrarian on this site, so I get it.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        I may not agree with you but I value your opinion and am happy you can be a differing viewpoint than mine.

      • NYBondLady

        thanks!

      • EX

        I quite like your comments, even though I generally disagree with them. You are right that the comments section here is mostly made up of bleeding heart liberals like me but having people voice a different opinion makes for a much more interesting comments section. There are only so many ways you can say “I agree with you.”

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        I agree with you on this, bitch.(I added the bitch to try and be different)

      • EX

        You’re the only person who can call me bitch and make me smile.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        I said it LOVINGLY hahahha

      • Angela

        I disagree with your views but you have stated them respectfully without attacking anyone and I hope that the other commenters will show you the same courtesy.

      • Angela

        I want autonomy over my own body and do not expect the government to feed my child. I also am fine with paying tax money to the government to fund programs that I feel are a good investment for our society such as universal access to birth control, welfare for struggling families, and paid maternity leave for working moms.

        What I actually find to be ironic are those who want to limit access to contraception, force women to birth children against their will, and then stand by while said children go hungry.

      • http://twitter.com/mariaguido Maria Guido

        You do realize where the government gets its money, right? From us -the taxpayers. Explain to me why we shouldn’t expect basic human needs to be met with some of this money?

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        MERICUH MARIA

      • NYBondLady

        When the taxpayer base becomes the minority, and those without can vote how to spend the money of those that are with, we no longer have a Democratic republic. IT is Mob Rule.

      • CMJ

        What? Where is the taxpayer becoming the minority? WHERE DO YOU LIVE?

      • elle

        I honestly don’t understand what you are saying! You live somewhere where nobody pays their taxes? Taxpayers are now the minority in America?what….just what?

      • NYBondLady

        WIC is a federal program. Nearly 50% of people don’t pay federal taxes.

      • CMJ

        ugh, here’s a chart. Please stop discussing things you don’t understand

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/18/who-doesnt-pay-taxes-in-charts/

      • NYBondLady

        thanks. this just re-affirmed what I said.

      • TngldBlue

        I understand what you are saying. People vote in their best interest. When those receiving entitlements (lord I hate that word) and not paying into the system outweigh those that do not receive entitlements and pay into the system, you now have a group voting to take money from one to give to the other and a political party that likes it that way because they ensure that majorities’ vote in each election. Welfare, medicaid, etc were never meant to be a lifestyle choice but has become one on the backs of the middle class. But I don’t blame the people, I blame the system and those that allowed-encouraged-the system to be bastardized, those politicians that knew they could guarantee their voter block if they kept those people beholden to them. I have faith in the American people that the vast majority of them would like nothing more than to support, independently, their families…that they don’t want “handouts”, they don’t want to rely on someone else for their food, they don’t want to live one step away from the house of cards falling in on them. I know people, even some that would be considered abusive of the system, who live in fear every day and that really isn’t a life at all.

      • Blueathena623

        Federal income tax. I’ve seen different figures for payroll tax.

      • Blueathena623

        Do you have historical data? I’m having trouble finding good sources.
        I’m asking because even the short article I could find noted that the percentage of people paying no federal income tax was smaller in previous years (although this article referenced 2009 and 2007).
        If I’ve paid federal income for 10 years, but because of job loss I pay no federal income tax this year, why do I suddenly have no say in how the government should spend money?

      • Guest

        It’s about government control. You either want them to have a say or not. You don’t get to pick which things you want and things you don’t. Personally I don’t want them in my business period. The only thing we should rely on the government for is to take our money. That is the only thing they are good at.

      • Blueathena623

        I don’t understand why it is irony when all three things you’ve described go towards benefiting children.
        I know its trite, but children are the future. It is in my best interest that they are as well cared for as possible, because one day they will be the ones paying taxes and taking care of me.

      • MoD

        I think it’s a fair question to ask…why are more than half the infants in this country on WIC?

        While I appreciate the intentions of WIC, and that it is helping families purchase healthy foods (vs., say, food stamps, which has fewer limitations), it’s concerning to me how many people are on WIC. I had no idea of the number.

        Unfortunately I’m related to someone who is a WIC and food stamp abuser. They purposely had multiple children in a short time span, but do not have near enough income to support them. They are abusing the system. The system isn’t intended for people who *plan* on using these limited resources because they want to stay home and have babies and not have to get a job. I get to pay taxes to feed their family because someone wants to be a SAHM to a big family. They did not accidentally have one baby, they didn’t have an “oops”. I’m also not worried where they’ll get their food if WIC runs out. They can sell an iPhone.

        I am very supportive of programs like WIC, because they have good intentions. I just wish there was a better way to stop people from abusing it. I definitely recognize that not everyone is abusing the system – I have known people who use WIC and food stamps as intended, for a short time as a way to make ends meet. But I also agree that the system, as it is, allows for a lot of abuse and I’d be happy to hear of some ways to end this abuse.

      • CMJ

        “…why are more than half the infants in the county on WIC?”

        Probably because we don’t accessible and affordable healthcare in this country.

      • Véronique Houde

        or child care. or maternity leave. ;)

      • NYBondLady

        So let me get this straight: The reason so many people are on the government WIC program is because there are not enough other government programs to support them? Oy vey…

      • CMJ

        No, the reason so many people are on government programs is because they are hard-working people who don’t make enough money to support the family that they love.

      • CMJ

        And for the record, the amount of abuse of the system is pretty low compared to what you think it is. I also tell everyone if they know of “abuse” of the system to TURN THEM IN.

      • MoD

        It’s not technically abuse in the sense of the rules of the program to have multiple children you cannot afford.

      • NYBondLady

        When 53% of infants are enrolled in the program, then there of course is bound to be abuse. The thing is, it’s not really the abuse that bothers me. It’s the entitlement culture for more and more people. The fact that it is much easier to collect these handouts than to go out and support a family (which I suppose is abuse, in a way, but it’s not exactly gaming the system, just rationally choosing to use it instead of working or whatever you do to support a family).

      • CMJ

        Um, have you ever been qualified under any of these programs?

        Additionally, Most people do have jobs under many of these programs. In fact, some of the programs REQUIRE people to have jobs.

        There’s a very large issue in this country as it relates to the working poor…people who work their asses off but still don’t have enough money to just live.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        I am not sure how someone can abuse wic. It’s baby formula and breastfeeding support and I think a pound of cheese and maybe a few boxes of cereal. maybe a jar or two of peanut butter. WHEEE I AM RICH YEE HAW

      • Ptownsteveschick

        Don’t forget the free toddler tooth brush goldmine they provide Eve!

      • Ptownsteveschick

        OMFG I just went to our appointment(our state has enough funding to go on) and they had free toys for the kids to play with! TOYS! Totally worth being super poor.

      • Blueathena623

        Honest question — why do you think you are so much better than so many people?
        Why do you think that so many people would prefer handouts than provide for their family themselves?
        Where’s the data to back this up? Because you seem to be looking at percentages and inferring preference on topics not related. For example, choosing to see housing assistance could very well mean that the person prefers living indoors to being homeless, not that they prefer benefits to not working.

      • NYBondLady

        I didn’t say that people prefer handouts to providing for themselves. But it has become a rational choice. It is easier to do. I’d prefer to be a millionaire, but it’s pretty hard to do. So I’ll keep trucking along doing what I am doing because I am supporting my family.

      • CMJ

        Yes – I would consider getting some food assistance to starving a rational choice.

      • Blueathena623

        How is it easier?

      • NYBondLady

        It’s eaiser because the income requirements keep rising. It’s easier because you can sign up for many of these programs online. It’s easier because you get a debit card in the mail and you can go to the grocery store and use it and you don’t have to work a second job to make ends meet.

      • Blueathena623

        You’ve described efficiency, but I wouldn’t equate that to easiness. If it were really all about easiness, why haven’t people quit their jobs in droves?

      • Blueathena623

        First of all, Eve states (and I’ve checked some other sites) that 53% of infants are enrolled in WIC. However, since the official WIC websites are down, I’m having difficulty finding out any information on averages. So therefore we don’t know how reliant they are — did the parent get a few cans of formula and call it quits, or are the kids being almost totally fed by WIC.
        I think its also important to note that the income requirements are pretty high, ergo there is at least some percentage of people who are paying into the system, perhaps even more than they take out.
        Finally, I choose to think — and perhaps I am biased by the company I keep — that the vast majority of Americans didn’t turn into lazy jerks as the economy went into the toilet. People are hurting. Maybe in the past people were more stoic and accepting of their children being hungry, but I’m glad they aren’t now. If you need it, use it. I don’t turn down tax rebates or refuse to take tax credits, do you?
        I’ve followed your comments, but have yet to see you pose a solution, or even some ideas of things to do. I mean this sincerely — what are your ideas? Whether or not the program needs to reduce, I’m sure we can agree that just turning off the tap is not a good move.

      • NYBondLady

        I am a free-market economist. I think that if you remove barriers to doing business, the economy will grow, jobs will come. Encourage entreprenourship. I also think that the tax code punishes married families and that we should not subsidize single parents, and we should reduce taxes overall. A dual-parent (and in many cases a dual-income) family is the fastest way to escape from poverty. Slowly wean people off of these programs, not continue to add to their rosters. Increased education standards, not dumb-ed down classrooms so that kids pass. These are large ideas but I think the keys to a more robust economy.
        I do NOT think that this nation has a population issue. It’s probably more of the opposite, actually. We need the young people here to prosper and grow the economy.

      • CMJ

        Yes, removing barriers to doing business worked really well for the banks doing all those shoddy mortgages, huh?

      • NYBondLady

        This is a whole other topic that we could dicuss for a million years. In case it was not obvious, I work in bonds in NY. I know all about this. The origins of the credit crises are everywhere and no where. The shoddy mortgages were made because of heavy government influence on the social engineering of homeownership in the US. Banks like Citi, Goldman, etc. did not make those individual loans. The local banks did given the pressure of the fed. Goolge Barney Frank, CRA, etc. The leverage? probably the banks fault. But I am in not the “too big to fail” camp. I think companies that made the wrong decisions should fail. As should others like GM.

      • CMJ

        Good for you. Thought you worked in bail bonds.

        Pretty much can’t with you anymore so have a nice day.

      • NYBondLady

        When everyone else on here cites what they do/where they come from, it’s all “wow, now I have a totally different perspective!” But for me, I guess it’s different.

      • CMJ

        Saying what you do doesn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know…sorry.

      • Blueathena623

        How do you think we can prevent companies sending jobs overseas?
        Do you think a lower corporate tax rate (I believe I am referencing the right thing) would encourage more large companies to stop seeking out of country tax shelters?
        I think we can agree that the economy didn’t magically thank the minute Obama entered office, so what business restrictions implemented by Bush limited growth? What measured implemented by Obama limited growth?

      • NYBondLady

        lower taxes. Yes. Bush= too much leverage/legislature that forced through bad mortgages/Fannie&Freddie. Obama= growth in social programs, ACA, taxpayer funding of failed businesses, increase government scope, Increase in investment tax

      • Blueathena623

        I’m not following on the lower taxes = more jobs moved back to the states. Can you elaborate please?

      • EX

        Are you suggesting that people are becoming single parents for the tax break? Is that what you mean by not punishing married couples and not subsidizing single mothers? What is your evidence for this. I don’t know any single parents who are single parents voluntarily (unless you count leaving an abusive/drug abusing partner as voluntary).

      • NYBondLady

        Marriage, in every society and for all of history, has been the fastest and most efficient way out of and in preventing poverty. If you subsidize something you get more of it. Simple economics. What happened in the past 75 years of this country to break apart the family?

      • Blueathena623

        Sorry if this posts twice, but I would say more freedom for women.

      • NYBondLady

        Ding ding ding ding ding. Well, was it worth it? Now we are shackled to the government. So much for freedom.

      • Blueathena623

        Yeah, know what? I think I’ve been pretty darn civil during this conversation, but it ends, because I’m not going to have a debate about how the historical increase in rights of women is a bad thing.
        Bunny out.

      • CMJ

        I got called condescending and sarcastic.

      • NYBondLady

        Funny, you actually admit that the women’s freedom movement is the reason of the break up of the family. Then you bail. Ok, bye.

      • Yves

        I’m married AND qualify for WIC. And I’m an RN, a supposedly “well paying” job! I defy your logic.

      • Blueathena623

        Oops, forgot to add — WIC is more than just food. Its also health services and counseling (also that counseling may be inadequate) and breastfeeding support. So again, the enrollment numbers may not totally equate with “infants reliant on governmental aid.”
        Interestingly enough, I also just read that apparently kids on Medicaid are automatically enrolled. My sister in law is a foster parent, and the foster kids are on Medicaid. I sincerely doubt she has ever used WIC, although I can’t be sure. I’d ask her, but she in Latvia helping orphans at the moment.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        My mom is from there <3

      • Ptownsteveschick

        I know that to enroll all we had to do was show her Oregon State insurance card, but we still had to auto enroll ourselves, it just saves some paperwork because the state does all the income checks before they let you have state insurance.

    • Janok Place

      I don’t know how it is in the states but in Canada there are support groups for young mothers going through financial hardship, single moms etc. maybe track down these groups and see if you can assist in some emergency fundraisers? I know everyone’s tight on cash but no one in the middle class doesn’t have something they couldn’t sacrifice to ensure a baby gets fed. Even if it’s just your time, or offering a service in exchange for formula. Maybe get local high schools involved. Car Washes for Formula? Applause to you Eve I wish we could help!

    • keelhaulrose

      What’s patently unfair is that those people who use programs such as these will probably never be able to run for the government that controls the funds.
      I’ve always maintained that if it was a requirement that anyone who runs must live on minimum wage (no savings, no health insurance, and no big house or reliable transportation for them or their families) for six months prior to petitioning to put their name on the ballot things would be done much differently in Washington.

      • Blueathena623

        While minimum wage might be nice, I’m wiling to go as far as median household income levels.

    • StealthGent

      I think I’ll do one last pick of the garden and set it out with a free sign. It’s mostly tomatoes and cucumbers, a lot of tomatoes. But, someone might need them.

      • meteor_echo

        Aww yes. You’re awesome, as always.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        xoxoxoxooxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxoxooxoxoxox

      • meteor_echo

        Also, if you have unwanted/unneeded clothes, towels, cloths etc, you could set another sign that those are available. I think those would probably make a world of difference for those women as well.

      • Polly

        Best person award <3

    • http://www.asilee.com Asilee

      This NYBLINDLady is all over the place. Sheesh!

      • NYBondLady

        Is everyone here so used to the like-minded comments? Are there really NO OTHERs that have contrarian views?

      • CMJ

        Actually, there are usually always differing opinions. But when it comes to helping those is need, the commenters usually come down on the “Yes, they need help” side as opposed to the “Screw those poor people!” side.

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        I will say that I appreciate the reparte. It’s like playing tennis for your brain; a learning experience on how to communicate clearly without letting your emotions go through. You’re like me, posting everywhere and on everything that gets you going.

        You’re like one of the bejeweled trolls with the really funky hair that you keep in your memory box for a long time because it’s just that cute. ;)

      • NYBondLady

        Not sure if this is a compliment or not. But I’ll take it.

      • TngldBlue

        I’m a conservative and I don’t think the current situation can be laid entirely at the feet of the Republicans. The democrats WANTED this shutdown, they were drooling for it because now they’ve got a weapon in Novembers election. BUT, that doesn’t mean I’m going to turn my back on my community. The vast majority of those on WIC and other assistance desperately need this help and I’m going to do what I can to help my neighbors. Because one day I might need help and I would hope I’d get that help and not be denied because someone else somewhere is abusing the system. There are a lot of changes that need to be made but we can’t tell hungry families to wait while we work this out sometime meaning never. These are KIDS that need food and when it comes to kids, my political beliefs are a far second.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        DAMN STRAIGHT

      • meteor_echo

        She doesn’t understand that a difference between her and you is that you’re a good human being and she’s a condescending asshole who a) wants women to have unwanted kids and no way to feed them (plus, no healthcare for themselves), b) thinks she can be smug by blaming people who have no other way of living than using government support, c) wants women to become good little wifeys again because “the women’s movement for rights ruined this country”. You’re the voice of difference that this website needs, and she should STFU and GTFO.

      • noelle 02

        Nicely said.

      • Guest

        Since everyone has decided to completely shit on this commenter for her views, let me see if I have it correct.

        The fact that 53% of infants rely on this program for food and won’t be able to get food is horrifying. They didn’t ask for their parents to be poor and they deserve to eat.

        Another thing that is horrifying is that 53% of infants rely on this program to eat. What good can come from a nation that cannot feed its infants without government assistance? What’s going to happen when there are more and more babies born to parents without the means to support them? What’s going to happen when the government runs out of money to support all of these needy infants?

        Nothing good.

      • CMJ

        Hopefully, women can have access to affordable healthcare and be able to receive birth control and not have children they can’t afford.

      • Guest

        Your reasoning would only work if every infant born and receiving assistance was because of an unwanted pregnancy. Do you really think that is the case?

      • CMJ

        Almost half the babies born are unintended pregnancies. (I believe it’s 48%). I think if women had access to affordable birth control the number of women needed assistance would be reduced.

        The need for assistance never goes away. Shit happens, I could be perfectly fine and set when I am pregnant and then something horrible could happen and I lose my job.

    • HanaMorgan

      Setting up a food drive at my office right now!

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        You are awesome!!!!

    • Kylie

      Ok, so I’m not an American, but I do choose to live here. I have a child who was born in the US, we don’t qualify for WIC. We do live in Cleveland though, so I’m thinking that that qualifies me to say this:
      Previous comments aside, whether you like the system or not, at the end of the day you have to ask yourself “Will I sit by and allow these women to be marginalized further? Will I allow their children to go hungry? Or eat less? Or go without even a single formula feed? It doesn’t matter whether you’re blue, red or green. It doesn’t matter whether you live in squalor or poverty or drive a porsche and dine at a posh country club. Will you sit by and allow this government, democrats and republicans alike (the finger pointing is what got us into this mess) to do this to these women and children? If the answer is “Yes”, then you’re a douche canoe and generally part of the problem. If the answer is “No”, then do your part – donate food, help a mother in need, lobby your local representative, VOTE! But otherwise, get off my internet, you’re making my head hurt and I just can’t fathom life on this planet with people like you!!!! And let’s face it, people like you seem to be the general problem right now. Be part of the solution! Because we can be better people to each other. Surely we can emphasize………

      • R Zhao

        I get what you’re saying, but sometimes it’s hard to know what to do. Your solution is to vote, but vote for who? You said yourself that republicans and democrats alike are to blame, so who to choose? There are so many problems in the system, numerous needy causes, and many of us face many of our own troubles as well, I don’t think it’s fair to degrade people for not doing more. It’s not encouraging, it’s hostile. I do agree, we should help each other more and give what we can, but nobody wants to be bullied into being generous.

      • Gabriella Nuñez

        For anyone who lives in VA, there IS a third candidate on our Gubernatorial ballot! He’s a Libertarian. Screw the dems, and the pubtards. Vote for a third party on Nov 5th and lets get some REAL change!

    • 88Mwife

      Just a thought…if you live near a military base, please contact a service member to see how you can help. There are a distressing amount of active duty military families on WIC. I don’t want to get into a debate about military pay or anything, but keep them in mind. Most (if not all) posts/bases have closed their commissaries and many on post welfare groups are stretched thin this time of the year. A good place to start for information is the MWR, but they may not all be open. And please remember, just because the military is ‘lucky’ enough to still be making their 32k/yr, these families were struggling before the shutdown. Also, not to be that weirdo military advocate, if this extends into this next month, consider donating to Veterans groups too. Many elderly and disabled veteran’s benefits are in limbo if this extends into November.

      • CMJ

        You’re not being weird. I don’t think the majority of this Country understands how this shutdown impacts people everywhere.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        Oh word, I was gonna do a post on military families and government workers tomorrow too

      • CMJ

        Sigh. Let me know if you have any questions.

      • 88Mwife

        My dad (Navy vet) was just told that all of his appointments for this month (he has non-typical MS) have been cancelled. My husbands appointments with the VA too. My dad isn’t is a bad spell, but these were vital appointments. But since they were outside specialists, paid for by VA benefits, they cancelled his appointments. My mom (who made national news in the 90s protesting sailors long work hours in the Senate) is already making noise about it, but I’m scared that it won’t be enough to help him now. Those of you that are prayers, pray for my papa please :(

      • BubbleyToes

        Holla! I’m a military wife and my combat veteran husband with PTSD barely got in for his VA appointment today to get his anti-depressants that he only needs because of the military. Hopefully we can get a refill next month or my sweet sweet husband will have to quit going to work due to crippling depression and anxiety. Woop!

    • pixie

      This is horrible. I don’t understand why a good chunk of the people in power continually shit on people who genuinely need help by taking away programs like this. I’m happy I live where I do in Canada, where as long as I’m a full time student I’m covered by my parents insurance for anything not covered by the provincial healthcare. I’m not familiar with the Canadian version of WIC (assuming there is one), so I can’t really comment on that, but people in need shouldn’t have their support systems taken from them no matter where they live. I have a lot of friends in the US, some of them are more wealthy, but most of them struggle to pay their mortgages, emergency healthcare costs, and buy healthy groceries. And forget about paying back student loans. I wish I could help out, but even with my relatively cushy situation as a Canadian under 25, as a full time student living on my own I can’t afford rent, utilities, internet, groceries, tuition, AND donating to charities (as much as I’d love to give $2 for whatever cause every time I’m asked at the grocery store) and still have a bit of savings left over from what I make TAing. It makes me feel bad having to choose between saving up for my future (or any emergency that might arise) and helping the less fortunate.
      Though I do go to a fairly large school in the capital, so maybe I could help start a joint effort in raising help/awareness for the situation down there and trying to prevent similar situations arising up here.

      • Blueathena623

        Don’t feel bad about saving for your future. Ever. If you feel the need to be charitable, research one, maybe two, organizations that means a lot to you, and donate what you can. When I was young, it was Arbor Day and Planned Parenthood, both getting 15 a year.
        So save for your future, and when you’re older and, god willing, making a decent living, don’t forget your philanthropic desires :)

      • pixie

        Thanks, I’m trying! And I appreciate the advice, I’ll do that. :)
        My mom’s side of the family is pretty big on donating to various charities on others’ behalves instead of giving Christmas gifts, and I hope to be able to do that as well one day. It’s better than getting a bunch of stuff you don’t need and others benefit from the donations.

      • Blueathena623

        If you haven’t heard of it, Kiva is a good organization to donate to because you get your money back. Basically you make loans (for as little as 25 bucks) to people in different companies who use it to set up businesses, and since its a loan, not an outright donation, you get your money back when they repay the loan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/valerisexton.jones Valeri Jones

      Glad that some people get two weeks. I went to get milk for my 2 year old this morning and 3 stores told me they couldn’t accept my WIC card. And I have no cash, so…. Someone please explain to my 2 year old why he can’t have his milk.

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        My conscience can’t let me see this comment and not want to do something to help. Can I reach you via Facebook?

      • TngldBlue

        I’m trying to figure out how to help you without posting our personal information. Are you on FB?

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        This is NOT right, do you have a store close by?

      • http://www.facebook.com/valerisexton.jones Valeri Jones

        You all are amazing. This is not the first time that commenters on this site have offered to help me and I am beyond humbled. Thank you.

        Just to update: I have just gotten off the phone with a local church who runs a food drive. While they normally only deal with non-perishable items, they took my information and said that someone would be here with milk within the hour. But thank you.

      • Tea

        Do you have a paypal account? I could get some grocery money your way by selling a painting.

      • http://www.facebook.com/valerisexton.jones Valeri Jones

        I do have a paypal account, and I appreciate it and all, but you don’t have to do that. We have what we need for now.

        But I so appreciate everyone and I promise, I will come to you all if I ever get in too desperate of a situation.

      • Tea

        Just comment if you ever need a hand. I spent most of my childhood in a bad place, and now that my life is stable, I do my best to help.

      • http://www.facebook.com/valerisexton.jones Valeri Jones

        And the world thanks you for it. People like you guys are why I still believe in humanity. I love you all.

      • whiteroses

        Count me among the folks who would help.

      • Blueathena623

        Please do, because we will all help in a New York minute

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        word word word

      • Ptownsteveschick

        I am totally fearing this :( I hope you can get it somehow. It is one of these times where I really wish I was one of the people who could give something, instead of need something, because as much as we struggle and worry, one call to my parents would get us grocery money, and not everyone is that lucky :(

      • http://www.facebook.com/valerisexton.jones Valeri Jones

        I have parents here, too. But there’s a caveat with my mom, and I think we have discussed this before. If I ask my mom for anything that my child needs, I get a big speech about how I should have thought about this before I had kids and blah blah blah. (I am 18 weeks pregnant with my second so I am hearing this lecture a lot right now, whether I am asking for help or not.) So it takes a lot to swallow my pride and ask her or my step dad. My child not having milk would probably be all it took, but they’re both at work right now anyway and I have gotten some help from a church.

        My dad has been helping us A TON by paying our electric bill since I got laid off from my job. My husband’s income alone doesn’t cut it. So I hate to ask him for even more help. Even so, I would in this case, but he is out of town (and is most of the time because he is an OTR trucker) and it would cost him more to send me the money than I actually needed.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        God, whatever mom. You should just say “OK, I am gonna sell the kids” and see what she says? SHEESH. bad mom. bad bad bad.

      • Ptownsteveschick

        Oh no, I totally get the speech. In fact my mom has explicitly told us she will basically lose her shit if we have another baby before she deems it acceptable. I am totally willing to swallow my pride, but it would be the last resort, instead I’ve been selling my craft supplies :(
        I just feel for people who have absolutely no other resources, because as tense as it makes me, at least I have something to turn to as a last resort.

      • Kylie

        It sounds like some retailers are just rejecting the vouchers assuming they won’t be covered, when in actual fact it looks like only Arkansas has run out of money right now. Ohio, for instance, has money through the end of October and with some creative accounting (there is a rebate scheme in effect for formula etc) could fund the program through mid-November. I sincerely hope that this is the case where you live and that the retailers get their shit together.

      • http://www.facebook.com/valerisexton.jones Valeri Jones

        Yup. I was told by all 3 stores (two of which are large chains) that they are rejecting the cards until they are sure of the funding. But I doubt if any of the big wigs at the stores are scrambling to find out because, hey…. Their kids have milk.

    • Ptownsteveschick

      I was talking to my husband about this last night, we relied on WIC formula due to my near zero milk production. We are supposed to have an appointment today too, I dug around and found an article that Oregon will go on for a few more weeks. It isn’t as dire are it was for us in the formula days, but it is still scary if all the food help goes away, during the 2 weeks after we pay rent, we usually have $100 left over for groceries for 3 people…..if we don’t pay the electric bill ontime…

      • meteor_echo

        *hugs*
        I hope you’ll be able to get some formula for your kid and to pay that bill :(

      • Ptownsteveschick

        She is on regular foods now, but this would have been utterly horrible when she was strictly formula feeding. It was my husbands birthday last week so we are lucky to have a little bit of cushion finance wise this pay period.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        Let us know girl

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        keep in touch. you have us too.

      • Ptownsteveschick

        We will be ok, I am lucky in the fact that I can go crawling to my parents for help, and I will only have to listen to a 20 minute lecture about how I should have waited to have a baby until I could take care of it etc etc.

    • Alexandra

      What a good idea to donate formula. I am a breastfeeding mother who has formula stored away “just in case” – I will donate it instead. I like when people suggest an action in reaction to a bad situation – thank you for that – we can try and help people through this time when the government lets them down.

    • Blueathena623

      Just FYI — if anyone reading this ever has any problem feeding their kids because of this issue or any other little random-shitty-life events, hit me up. My email is my screen name at gmail. I’m not rich, but I got enough to try and prevent kids from being hungry.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        I love you and agreed

      • http://www.whatwouldshethink.com/ Rachelle

        Same here. I have a government check waiting to be deposited and I’m more than willing to share the money my country gives for my child to others who need it in the meanwhile. My job starts next week; I will survive.

    • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

      You guys for real have no idea how happy you make me and how proud I am of how awesome you all are

    • Alicia Kiner

      I wish I had read this before going to the grocery store… I would have paid more attention. My family is by no means rich, but we could damn sure by a couple boxes of cereal, or some formula for babies and toddlers. And I have coupons, so they always help!

    • Rachel Sea

      I’m gonna hit Costco after work. This is fucked. I’m not going to go into a political rant, except to say that programs which prevent babies from starving should ALWAYS be considered essential, and the fact that they aren’t considered so…well, fuck the rich old gas bags who made that decision.

      You can donate to food banks, charity kitchens, and also Early Head Start programs, all those kids are eligible for WIC.

      • CrazyFor Kate

        Notice that Congress is still getting paid. We know where their priorities lie.

      • CMJ

        and they keep avoiding questions about it…

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        What I keep thinking about are where are all these anti-abortion pro-lifers and why aren’t they losing their shit over this? shouldn’t they all be making a ton of donations and protesting this?

      • meteor_echo

        They’re ranting about how all those babies and their parents abuse those support programs.

      • Rachel Sea

        Pro-life is such a misnomer.

      • JLH1986

        We refer to them as “Pro-birth” in our circle. Because they for damn sure aren’t “pro-life”

      • Ptownsteveschick

        They only love fetuses. Once they are born, they should just pull themselves up by their tiny little infant bootie-straps and not be welfare mooches.

    • Momma425

      This is terrible. I used WIC when my daughter was a baby and it paid for all of her formula (I know since then, they have lowered the number of cans of formula women recieve). I continued to qualify for WIC after I left her dad, but since I was living with my parents and didn’t need extra help with groceries, I cancelled it.
      If anyone needs help, PLEASE respond and let me know. I don’t want to see any little ones go hungry!

    • Kheldarson

      Just looked up how this would affect my benefits, and wouldn’t you know? They’re just now taking a look at how a shutdown is going to affect the program. You know, the day of the shutdown, after it’s been threatened for weeks. And, of course, this is happening right before the next pay cycle for us too…*sigh*

      Who else is ready for some major changes in our government system?

    • Lisa Judson

      It’s really humbling to see so many of you willing to help others. My husband and I work in mental health and a lot of our clients that were waiting on cards/proof to get benefits/ etc are in limbo. SS hasn’t stopped but some of them were applying for the first time, needed new cards, and in general assistance in handling these issuse from the SS offices are not available at the moment. We are scrambling to do the best we can. Keep on keeping on everyone! You guys are the best!

    • Gretta

      Oh wow. I am a registered independent, but anyone can plainly see that both the Democrats and Republicans are at fault here.

      • wowohwow

        So two people voted you down for stating the obvious.

    • kris

      I haven’t read all the comments, and I am no longer on WIC, but I used to be, when I needed it. My husband left me and my child homeless when he was 11 months old. We went on WIC, and SNAP, and TANF. Did you know that when you are on TANF you have to go to a class every week, and apply for 18-30 jobs a week in order to stay on the program? And that was to get $350 a month in cash and $205 in food stamps. The minute I found a job, which paid minimum wage, it all got cut off. I hadn’t even gotten my first paycheck, and wouldn’t for another 3 weeks, as they paid monthly. I had to take me and my son to soup kitchens, worried about losing the place we were living, and beg for food from food banks and churches, just to get through until I got my first check. It is NOT THE EASY LIFE! Oh, and if you need help with childcare, they will pay someone 2.50 an hour to watch your kid. Which most daycares want more than.

    • R Zhao

      If you can, it may actually be a lot more beneficial to write a check to your local food bank. They know what they need and can buy it. I read an article recently that said not all food donations get used because certain items aren’t needed or are perishable. Just a thought.

      • kris

        They can also get deals on food that we can’t, and get a much higher quantity of food than we can for their dollar. I have run food drives, and it is commented on that while food is always welcome, money is more useful.

    • Been there done that

      When we become dependent on the government to feed us, it leaves us vulnerable when they fail us. Another good reason to quit expecting the Federal government to raise and feed kids because when something like this happens, everyone goes into panic mode and doesn’t know how to handle it. This is the time when Americans should show their mettle and gather their resources to help the people in their communities. This is the time we show our abilities to come up with answers. And it is difficult to reconcile all these politically charged accusations of ‘children going hungry’ when we allegedly have a childhood obesity epidemic. Just another way to manipulate people by repeated slogans and fearmongering and keeping them from trying to come up with feasible solutions.

      • Ennis Demeter

        The government helping the poor IS “showing our mettle” and helping the poor in our communities. I don’t know what you think happens in countries where the government doesn’t have any social nets, but you should go live in one someday and figure it out.

      • Gretta

        This a thousand times. This.

      • Sarah Morgan

        Paying taxes IS gathering resources and helping people in our communities–to a much greater magnitude than any individual could on their own. But because of the shutdown, that money is not going to the intended recipients. I am now going to spend out of pocket money, to donate food and money to food pantries, etc. because I cannot stand by and know that this is happening. How many of our Congressional reps are doing the same, I wonder?

    • Melody

      I have a ton of enfamil baby formula if anyone needs it. I have A.R. for spit up, Gentlease for gas and fussiness, and a few regular infant formula cans. I was getting around to donating it ever since my baby stopped needing it and would love for it to go someplace where it would help a hungry child. My email is melody.isani@yahoo.com

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        You are a doll thank you

    • Caryann

      I am happy to see that I am not the only one who feels this way. I am currently being affected by the shut down. I am an LPN who went to school and I am not mooching off the government as some people would say. I recently had someone say to me that if I can’t support my children on my own then maybe I shouldn’t have them. I find this to be of such arrogance since I can afford to take care of my children, but under unfortunate circumstances my hours have been cut in half with this awful economy. So I turned to WIC for help. I am not looking for a hand out. I don’t even qualify for welfare. I just want to feed my baby. By the grace of God I just cashed my last checks and someone I know handed me 5 cans of formula at my son’s soccer game. There are good people out there. But many children will suffer.

    • lyn

      It is ridiculous and foolish to think this shutdown is entirely the republicans fault. This is about BOTH parties not being able to compromise. Democrats are constantly finding someone to blame and it’s getting old. Believe it or not, there are many of us who DON’T support the way this healthcare bill was put together. In fact, I know far more people (including dems) that don’t want this. But this goes way beyond and much deeper than that.
      Really mature…your little FUCK YOU cartoon. You made yourself look like a complete fool who lacks intelligence.

      • JohnH2

        And Obama has the ability to determine what is considered essential and not, and has made very political moves in choosing what to shut down and not. And refused republican efforts to mitigate that.

        I really don’t care whose fault it is though; WIC is something that should be funded and is much harder to criticize, if one is at all familiar with it, then any other government assistant program because it is explicitly all about giving healthy food to children and women who are pregnant or nursing. I can’t think of a way in which it possibly could be abused.

      • lyn

        I would absolutely agree that WIC is something that should be funded. My confusion is why anyone would think I didn’t support it based on my comment that both parties are to blame.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        Yeah I’m a complete fool and you are helping people HOW? sit down, go watch fox news

      • lyn

        Wait…how do you think I’m not helping people? You gather that because I said I think the fault lies with both sides and I thought the language you used to get your point across was foolish?

        Oh…and I don’t get my news from fox.

        And I do think these programs are important, I support them. How it can be assumed that I don’t based on this particular comment is beyond me.

        I used to read your articles, but now I’d rather eat poke my eyes out.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        You cannot eat and poke at the same time!

      • lyn

        Ha…I have no idea why I said eat. Couldn’t figure out what you were saying.

        It dawned on me that I’m reading a blog…I shouldn’t be expecting responsible journalism. So point your finger and blame away! It’s so very productive!

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        MY responsibility extends to wanting to be proactive and DO something for people who need it.

      • lyn

        And playing the blame game and pointing fingers is being proactive? I fail to see how that is doing something for people who need it.

      • http://Mommyish.com/ Eve Vawter

        I don’t care which side you are one, donate to your local food banks, church pantries etc.

      • lyn

        I agree…my point is that pointing the blame only at republicans isn’t doing anyone any good. Both parties have equal blame in this. They get to keep their salaries while everyone else doesn’t get paid. Essential workers still go to work, but they don’t get paid. Maybe they’ll get back pay, maybe they won’t. Non essential workers get to file unemployment, which they are entitled to but now the government is paying for their unemployment. Yet the jackwagons in congress keep their salaries and still can’t get along and play nice in the sandbox.

        Not only do I donate to my local food bank on a regular basis, I donate baby supplies to a local group in my community. You made the assumption based on my comment, which had nothing to do with helping people who need it, that I don’t do anything but sit around and watch FOX news. I’ve never even watched FOX news before! I wasn’t even saying it was all the dems fault! Both parties and the President are to blame and they should all be held accountable.

    • Yves

      I just got signed up 2 weeks ago – pregnant with my first. I don’t rely on the checks to feed myself, yes it helps a lot, but I’ll live without them like I did before (I make “too much” to qualify for any social services/”welfare” like SNAP, WIC is the only thing I qualify for). I was actually looking more forward to the breastfeeding class I was/am supposed to attend next month. They gave me soooo much support at my sign-up, I couldn’t get over it. Oh also, they provide you with nice electric breastpumps and I was really looking forward to that since I have to return to work FT 6 weeks after giving birth. But whatever, there’s cheap manuel pumps. The government sucks – don’t rely on it for your wellbeing, lesson to learn!

      • Yves

        I AM worried though about if I can’t BF what will I do because I definitely cannot afford formula. BF’ing, for me, is motivated by financial reasons. We can just hope that things will get worked out soon and the programs come back up…. I feel for the FF’ing mamas affected right now. Such crap.

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