Fifth Grade Boys Arrested For Plot To Rape & Murder Classmate Because She Was ‘Annoying’

fifth grade boys arrested for rape and murder plot I know some of you readers hate the articles we write where we tell you really awful stories like this. I hate them too, because like a lot of you I have kids in elementary school and it’s stories like these that leave me feeling hopeless and disgusted and utterly frustrated as a parent. Do I have to remind my 10-year-old to never plan to rape and murder girls? Do I have to tell my 8-year-old daughter to be careful of a boy planning to rape and murder her while she is having “quiet reading” time in class? I’m sorry I have to write about a story like this, but I HAVE to write about a story like this because as parents we all need to take proactive measures to stop things like this from happening.

From The Daily Mail:

The two fifth grade students arrested for allegedly plotting to kill a girl in their school also planned to rape her and laid out their horrific conspiracy in a detailed seven-point list, prosecutors have revealed.

A judge on Friday ruled that the two boys, age 10 and 11, were fit to strand trial in juvenile court after they were caught with a knife and a .45-caliber pistol at Fort Colville Elementary School in the tiny town of Colville, Washington, on February 7. Prosecutor Tim Rasmussen said the boys’ plan to rape the girl, who they targeted because he was ‘really annoying,’

You don’t plan to rape a murder someone because they are “really annoying” or else there would be no one left alive on the planet. The two boys had a seven-step list that was discovered in one of their backpacks, and when a classmate found out about the plan one of the boys paid him $80 not to tell anyone. Another student informed the teacher he had seen one of the boys with a knife and:

The teacher searched backpacks belonging to the boy and his friend, 10, and found weapons including a knife with a three-and-a-quarter inch blade, a .45 calibre Remington 1911 semiautomatic handgun and an ammunition clip.

Mr. Rasmussen was quoted as saying:

‘To me, 10 and 11-year-olds do bad things. They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people’s cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do. But this was a plot to kill.’

And not to be all alarmist and judgy, but no, most normal kids don’t set cats on fire.

The boys confessed when they were questioned separately, with the older boy admitting he was going to kill the girl with the knife while his friend used the gun to keep people from stopping him.

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  • chickadee

    This story is just one of those things that you don’t know how to process. What the hell were these boys thinking, and why did they think that murder was a solution? I don’t want to blame the parents without knowing any information, but again….what the hell? I simply don’t think that you have to reinforce to your young child that we don’t kill people when they annoy us. Did they get this idea from a book, a film, a family member….?

    I know that the reason it’s gotten press is because it’s so incomprehensible, and I do feel sorry for the parents involved. But how do you leap from being annoyed by someone to hatching a detailed and intentional plan to kill her? That’s psychopathic.

    • Eve Vawter

      agreed chicky

    • chickadee

      I just keep telling myself that this isn’t normal and that this is one of those situations that will work out for the better….maybe these kids can get the serious professional help that they so clearly need and now they won’t commit atrocities when they’re older and could do something unspeakable.

      Because that’s how I sleep at night.

    • Blueathena623

      I don’t know . . . That is some serious sociopathic behaviour, and my understanding is that sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated.

    • chickadee

      Maybe just one of them was a bad influence in the other? I mean, I keep hoping one was the clear leader and the other just followed. Maybe the follower can be helped.

    • Blueathena623
    • chickadee

      Jeezy creezy…the older showed no remorse or emotion. That’s a psycho- or sociopath for sure.

  • Valeri Jones

    This is yet another one of those stories that makes me say, “This is what it’s come to?!” Imagine what could have happened if these little psychopaths had actually pulled this off. It sounds like they were pretty meticulous in planning, not to mention absolutely SERIOUS about their goal!!

    • Eve Vawter

      I know, and what 10 year old just has $80 sitting around? In cash?

    • Valeri Jones

      I REALLY hate to say this…. But this is the exact kind of thing that forces schools to put into place their ridiculous rules for suspension and expulsion when a kid threatens someone. Even though the rules are a little overboard, like suspending a kid for biting a pop tart into a shape of a gun, or for throwing an imaginary grenade to protect his school from imaginary monsters. But you know what I mean. I hate this happens to perfectly innocent kids who are just playing, but your article is the REAL reason behind those rules. It is unspeakably sad that this is where we are.

      Score one more PRO for homeschooling. =/

  • faifai

    “I guess we all do, because this is the type of world we live in now” –#1 reason why i don’t want to have kids.

    • Eve Vawter

      I can 100% understand and respect this decision.

    • halfpint513

      It’s not 100% the world we live in, it is the PARENTS. Someone needs to hold parents accountable. Where are these parents while these little kids (10, 11 years old) are doing this plotting? Is no one at all watching them? How do they have access to weapons like this?

    • faifai

      When discussing the fact that this world has become a scary, horrible, frightening place where the type of childhood WE had would no longer be allowed (ie: playing in the front yard unsupervised, walking to school by ourselves, etc), the reasons why America has gone wrong are not germaine to the discussion at hand. The fact is, stuff like this happens now. I went to prom at Columbine HS, and I never had a thought in my mind that a few years later there would be bullet holes in those walls. Does it matter why there are bullet holes in the walls, if I feel like I couldn’t protect my children from those bullets?

    • BlueBelle

      I don’t have children either and at 27, I’m still very, VERY on the fence about it. But I promise you the world is not as dangerous as the media and cherry-picked/carefully edited sound bites and quotes make it out to be. It’s safer now than it’s been in years.

    • BlueBelle

      Not sure where my other comment went (maybe needs to be moderated?), but I know this is a bizarre/terrible case (and also freakish). I didn’t want my previous comment to sound like “meh, whatever.” I mean that by solely broadcasting stories like these we’re left with the feeling that things are way worse than they are.

  • Fabel

    Uh, Mr. Rasmussen? Maybe don’t lump “set a cat on fire” in with “throwing rocks” and other “things that children do”? Animal cruelty isn’t normal kid behavior. Jesus.

    (Yeah, that’s the only thing I can properly address on this story…)

    • Eve Vawter

      I KNOW! I was like “Ummm, isn’t animal cruelty one of the first signs your kid may grow up to be a serial killer?!” plus, everything else was all down-home folksy things lil’ rascally boys do.. It’s all “boys will be boys, throwin’ baseballs into winders, usin’ them thar slingshots, lightin’ firecrackers… SETTING CATS ON FIRE WHAT?”

    • Alex Lee

      Look out, everyone…Eve is channeling her inner-redneck.

      Choosing to use the knife over the gun on the girl…there’s a lot of premeditation right there. Hopefully all the children involved get the help they need.

      Some adults need to be held accountable for that firearm.

    • Eve Vawter

      even my not-so-inner-redneck thinks that any kid who would hurt an animal is an asshole

    • Valeri Jones

      Not only that, but using a knife is considered a very personal kind of killing and I have read that it takes a special kind of psychopath to do it. Shooting a gun is a somewhat impersonal act. You pull a trigger and it may or may not hit the intended target. However, with a knife, one must plunge the blade into the victim. Being able to feel it go through bone and muscle and all of that, not to mention the blood that will be pouring out everywhere…. Yeah, that’s psychopath material. Right up there with setting a cat on fire, contrary to what Mr. Rasmussen says in the article.

      P.S. – I read a lot of murder mysteries. NOT a psychopath.

    • wmdkitty

      Animal cruelty IS one of the three Big Red Flags for a potential serial killer. The other two are arson and bedwetting…

    • meteor_echo

      Aka the Macdonald triad, yes.
      When I was a kid, I had a classmate who exhibited two out of three signs. The little shit tried to burn my face off with a lighter once, only to earn himself a kick in the nuts. That kid was actually terrifying.

    • hdonovan

      The ultimate culmination of the excuse “that’s what children do.” It started as a reason not to remove a crying, screaming child from a theater or restaurant and now it is apparently supposed to excuse everything short of murder of a human (pretty sure the cat isn’t surviving). Perhaps some limits a bit closer to the screaming end of the scale would have prevented these future convicts from getting this far.

    • Eve Vawter

      SO TRUE! There is a huge difference between NORMAL kid behaviour and this

  • justiceday

    How did these kids know what rape was and why that was part of their plan is what I would want to ask them. At that age it’s scary that was going through their heads and the fact they were able to plot that out. Most kids that age can’t write a paragraph let alone plot out a rape and kill. If people don’t think there is a problem with rape in America they are wrong. Look at what is going on in the US military, and these are probably kids that would have enlisted to get to kill people like the guy on this site theusmarinesrapecom

    • Lilac

      They know what it is from movies. I have a group of 7 to 10 year old
      boys in our neighborhood. I came home the other day and the 8 year old
      was asking the others if they had seen Saw 4, he got it for his birthday
      and thought the deaths were awesome. Seriously? This is not normal.
      Parents just don’t give a darn. What happened to sheltering kids from
      crap like that. All horror movies are now is torture, butts and boobs.

    • Eve Vawter

      Oh FFS, that is bullshit right there. Saw 4 isn’t even a GOOD movie period. I love horror movies but I wouldn’t even let my 16 year old watch that because yeah, it’s not clever or interesting or even scary

    • LoveyDovey

      Someone gave their. . . eight-year-old child. . . Saw 4.

      I don’t even. . .

    • Daisy


      I remember when I was in third grade, my teacher was quite surprised to learn that some of the kids in my class watched Seinfeld, and she said that there were a lot of inappropriate things in there that she wasn’t sure an eight-year-old should be watching.

      Suddenly, Seinfeld seems about as harmless as Blue’s Clues…

    • Blueathena623

      I knew about rape at around age 7-8. I can’t remember where I learned it, and I don’t think I really understood exactly what it entailed, but I know I knew it.

    • PSG

      Yes – I am surprised by the comments here and on FB that state as children, them not knowing about rape and murder (at all)…perhaps not fully grasping the frequency, intensity and absolute violence of it, but I was raised reading classic literature and as a child, attended church. I paid attention to those stories, and educational historical accounts of bad behavior in times past. So I knew OF it.
      It’s actually everywhere, just a matter of noticing.

      These boys read like the result of so many mistaken contributions, combined with the wrong sort of mind to start with.

  • Lastango

    What this pair intended to do is deeply strange — so strange that I somehow doubt it has any relation to the presence or absence of anti-bullying or anti-rape education.

    • chickadee

      Exactly! Most children don’t need to be told that you don’t solve a problem by killing someone. This case is not the norm at all.

  • LoveyDovey

    Sadly, we apparently *do* need anti-bullying and anti-rape courses in schools, and I think the rape portions should just fall under anti-bullying- at its core, rape is a very extreme form of bullying, after all. Maybe that’ll get the point across. Oh, and that and sex ed should be mandatory. I don’t give a shit about personal beliefs in this case, especially when ignorance has been so, so damaging.

    • Flat What

      “At it’s core, rape is a very extreme form of bullying,”

      Um, no. No, no, no. Bullying is when you call someone names or steal their lunch. Bullying still sucks, but it’s childish in nature. Rape is a HORRIFIC CRIME that violates people in the worst possible way. Saying that rape is bullying is like saying a class five hurricane is rain. No. Don’t you dare cheapen it like that.

    • LoveyDovey

      What does a rapist get out of raping someone? They make themselves feel more powerful at the expense of their victim.

      What does a bully get out of bullying someone? The same damn thing. Also, your description of bullying is overly simplistic and ignores the situations that have driven kids to suicide.

    • Flat What

      Okay, allow me to explain myself. I don’t consider harassing a kid to the point of depression and suicide as bullying, I consider it full on emotional and mental assault. I consider it this because when someone pictures bullying or bullies, they picture a bunch of kids on a playground doing things that don’t really get past name calling, and possible shoving and shunning (which still suck). The word “bully” itself brings to mind a bunch of snot-nosed kids, or even a really juvenile cartoon of a bulldog, depending on what kind of anti-bullying program your school shilled.

      And if you want to say, “I was bullied in school,” everybody understands that you mean that you were harassed badly. I get that. I can understand that. But even then, people don’t start getting overtly upset at it until you bring up, “It gave me clinical depression/made me attempt suicide,” because damn near EVERYONE’S been bullied to some extent. NOBODY looks at a rape victim and goes, “Good Lord, she’s been HORRIBLY BULLIED!” No. They go, “Oh my God, she’s gotten RAPED!” because there’s a HUGE leap between the two.

      And as someone who developed memory and emotional problems from constant harassment, I’d take that any day over being raped.

    • LoveyDovey

      I understand what you’re getting at. I wasn’t trying to be flippant, as if you really think about it, the aim of either a rapist or a bully/assaulter is, as I said, to make themselves more powerful at another person’s expense. The fact that nowadays they are putting physical assault and such under the header of bullying is another thing entirely. That’s the definition I was using. I don’t agree with it, if someone punches you in the gut and takes your stuff that should be assault and theft, not “bullying”, and I don’t get why they distinguish the two.

      For the record, I make the comparison as an attempt at explaining to people the true motivations of a rapist- that it’s not about sex. Trust me, as someone who has been raped and sexually abused, I do not take it lightly, nor do I take “bullying” (for lack of a better catchall) lightly either.

  • lin

    Setting a cat on fire? Normal? Um, no. If my sone set a cat on fire there would huge consequences, some volunteer work with animals and possibly a therapist. And a whole lot of crying from me.
    How did these kids get the weapons and what kind of home were they raised in? I can’t comprehend grade 5 students doing this. Rape prevention absolutely should be taught in schools – I don’t get why anyone would feel differently.

    • whiteroses

      Yes. So much this. Most serial killers start out as children by killing small animals. It’s a major warning sign, and parents ignore it at their own risk.
      My father was in the military, so I grew up around guns. I also grew up with a very clear understanding that they weren’t toys and that all the guns were kept in a safe. If I had been caught with one of his weapons, he would have unleashed hell on me. And rightly so.

  • Tea

    I still can’t come up with anything more witty than ” Holy shit.” and wondering if it’s too early to have a cocktail with lunch after reading that…

    Setting a cat on fire? Planning to murder? Planning RAPE? They’re 10! Most 10 year olds at least have a concept of what murder and harm is like, but rape?

    would not be shocked if these were the kind of kids who have been unsupervised in everything they do, from games to movies to setting a flipping cat on fire.

    • Blueathena623

      In their . . . defense(?), it is my understanding that they didn’t light a cat on fire, that was just an example of “harmless” pranks kids play.

    • Emmali Lucia

      Setting a live animal on fire…. Harmless… Hmm, I’m glad I don’t live in Washington.

      ALSO, when I first read that I thought it said car, I was like “WHAT 10-YEAR OLD SETS A CAR ON FIRE?!” Then I saw Cat and was just like “NOPE!”

    • wmdkitty

      Honestly, a car would have been halfway fine with me.

      Touch one single hair on my fur-baby’s head — oh, if you even think about harming my baby girl — IT’S ON.

      (Edited to fix borked formatting tags.)

  • Blueathena623

    I know people might get pissy and be all “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” but when a 10 and 11 year old can get their hands on a gun and ammunition clip, we need to have more conversations on gun safety. And yes, I’m pulling a ” where were the parents?” Because they either did not lock that shit up well or these boys are hanging out with the wrong crowd.

    • Eve Vawter

      Agreed totally. Kids should never have access to guns, or knives, sheesh

    • Blueathena623

      Ok, this explains a bit more about the guns. But knowing that the kids actually wanted to off 7 people total scares the crap out of me

    • Eve Vawter

      OMG ” When authorities were transporting the arrested boys to the Stevens County Courthouse, the juvenile probation department staff told a detective that they overheard the older boy telling the younger: “If I find out who told them about our weapons, I’m going to kill them. I don’t care; when I get out of jail I’m going to come back and kill them,” according to court papers.”

    • LoveyDovey

      Why is that article leaving out the rape part of the plan? Or was that added in by the Daily Mail? They’re not above such a thing. . .

    • halfpint513

      These kids ARE the wrong crowd.

    • maya

      the parents just get a zero in their kids’ upbringing.

  • Imalia

    Yeah, when your kid has access to a .45 semi I am beyond “poor parents” and more “WTF parents”

  • CrazyFor Kate

    10-year-olds? 10-YEAR-OLDS?! I can imagine this happening in a high school or college, but seriously?! Most guys in my Grade Five class were still scared that touching a girl would give you cooties. What the hell is wrong with those kids? This whole story is awful, but I cannot get past how young they are.

  • Blueathena623

    Oh and BRAVO to the student who told and the teacher who found the items. But seriously, the kid who told must have gonads of steel, because can you imagine being that age and telling an adult that your classmates have a knife? The phrase “snitches get stitches” keeps running through my mind, so that kid was brave. And the teacher too, because if I found that in a students backpack, I’d probably need new pants.

  • Annie

    Usually I haaate when people without inside knowledge get all judgey about the parents in situations like this. But yeah, I’m judging.

    • Blueathena623

      I get judgy with this sort of thing because I want the parents to be abusive monsters. I want their to be a clear and obvious thing they did to screw up their kids. Because I would DIE if I thought I did everything right and was actually a good mom and my kid turned out this way.

    • Annie

      That, and how the fuck does a kid that age get hold of a gun?

  • wmdkitty

    One question — where are 10 and 11 year old boys even going to get the idea to rape a girl? I think this warrants a deeper investigation into their home lives and their parents…

  • Diana

    I was 10 when the James Bulger case happened. I remember being very angry at the time. Feeling that people were making excuses for the two boys ( who were the same age as me.) At 10 I felt I would not be capable of such an atrocity and that the boys were monsters.

    As an adult, I do feel a degree of pity for them. They may have been sociopathic but their environment did little to skew their path and everything to encourage violence.

    So what went wrong? Was it that they were allowed to watch adult horror movies? Abuse? Neglect? Their aberrant behaviour was observed for years by friends, neighbours and teachers before they commited the crime.


    ” ‘To me, 10 and 11-year-olds do bad things. They throw rocks through windows. They shoot BB guns at people’s cars. They hit people with sticks, they set a cat on fire. Those are things that children do.”

    I think that is the problem. NONE of those thing are ok. None of those behaviours are healthy or normal. If Venables and Thompson had been treated before they became pathalogical maybe it could have been prevented. The problem is that people didn’t see pathology hey just saw ” Boys being Boys.”

  • Christine Vaughan

    How do these kids keep getting thier hands on guns!? I don’t even think children should even be allowed to carry backpacks anymore. No one checks thier contents, ever. What if their plan would not have been discovered so early?

  • anonymous

    There was this incident in our school when 3 boys (10 years old) were found in the bathroom having sex. it was horrifying. what is happening to us? in our attempts to be civilised and humane we have actually come a long way from humanity. I know child sexual abuse was common even back then but right now the situation is getting really horrible. and i blame the sexually explicit media and internet. there are songs which contain overtly-sexualised lyrics. you type a few buttons and you have unlimited access to porn. Even the tv is not free of sexual content. The behaviour of all these kids is not surprising. Having been exposed to sexually explicit content is bound to arouse lust in anyone. The second reason why these kids might have behaved this way is if they or at least one of them had been sexually abused as a child. i know everyone feels disgust for these kids. but it’s not their fault. it’s their parents. they totally failed in the up bringing of their children.