• Sat, Mar 9 2013

I’ll See Your Gory Fetus And Raise You A Giant Vagina

484675_598016316895069_910584986_nThe University of Cincinnati was home to an anti-choice demonstration last year called the “Genocide Project.” It featured giant posters of aborted fetuses. Lovely. To counter a display that many considered “offensive” the college’s LGBTQ Alliance organized a pro-woman project called “Re-envisioning the Female Body.” Twelve giant posters of vaginas are now on display on the campus. Some days, the news just makes me smile. This is one of those days.

Of course, giant pictures of vaginas aren’t going to be supported by everyone – namely the anti-choice group that brought their very different but equally shocking and “offensive” project to the campus last fall. News 12 quotes one woman’s response to the posters of aborted fetuses: “As a feminist and as an activist I came to campus and saw these terrible pictures of mutilated fetuses on campus and essentially felt attacked by my body, by being a woman, having a vagina, being attacked for it and legislated for it.” Many women on campus felt the need to respond to a protest they felt attacked by. The anti-choice group made their bed. Now they have to lie in it – surrounded by giant vaginas.

Each picture has a quote from a woman about her experiences. Some speak of sexuality, some abuse, and others self-image. The pro-life group insists that the project doesn’t address the issue of abortion, claiming it’s “just pictures of naked women. There’s no constructive debate on the issue of abortion which students for life would be happy to address.”

The University President refused to block the project, referring to it as a “first amendment right and a teachable moment.” I agree. Personally, I’d rather see a giant picture of a vagina over a giant picture of an aborted fetus any day. Maybe this will make all the anti-choicers out there realize that they don’t corner the market on shock value. At the end of the day – I guess I just love pissing off people that don’t agree with a woman’s right to choice.

(photo: Facebook)

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  • chickadee

    I wish members of the English and/or Political Science departments had weighed in on the misuse of the word ‘genocide.’

    • novel_compound

      Perhaps you’re right. 55 million Americans have been killed since Roe v. Wade, so perhaps we need a new word that means “five times worse than the Holocaust.”

    • Gangle

      Ummm… ‘holocaust’ does not denote an actual number. It means to attempt or to actually wipe out an entire race or people. Perhaps you need to buy a dictionary?

    • Kate

      Congratulations. You win most ridiculous comment of the internet.

    • chickadee

      Both genocide and holocaust describe intentional attacks on a group of people In order to eliminate them. Each abortion is an individual choice made by a woman rather than a concerted effort by a group.

    • novel_compound

      You think I don’t understand that? How condescending, Yes, the 55 million American deaths are the result of decisions made by individual women, while the Holocaust was largely initiated by one madman, Herr Hitler.

      That women would collectively cause such carnage is another reason to view the abortion toll as worse than the Holocaust.

    • chickadee

      If you can use either genocide or holocaust to describe abortion, then you *don’t* understand it. Or you have no problem using incorrect and inflammatory rhetoric to make your case.

      See, you are wrong again. Women are not *collectively* aborting fetuses. This isn’t a group decision. That is where you are wrong.

    • novel_compound

      Did Americans, collectively, buy millions of cars in the last decade? Yes they did. And was that the result of individual decisions, not a group decision? Yes.

      There are few things worse than somebody lecturing on the importance of precise language, while being imprecise themselves.

    • chickadee

      There are few things worse than pompous posters who are boosted by self-importance and continue to argue something that is wrong. For the last time….genocide and holocausts are intentional acts designed to eliminate a group of people deemed offensive to the determining group. Problems with your argument? 1. Women who get abortions do so as individuals and not with the purpose of eliminating all fetuses. 2. Fetuses are not a homogenous group. 3. Fetuses are not deemed inherently offensive by those who abort them.

    • CARMEL350

      Tell the chinese women about choice, I’m sure they would like to hear all about it…seems they have a lot of forced abortions over there, and guess who is right there to help…Planned Parenthood!

    • CARMEL350

      I don’t believe all abortions are a choice, a lot of girls have been forced by their parents, boyfriends, molesters, pimps and sometimes pressured from their bosses, so do not call it a choice. As far as I know, this is a difficult decision made by desperate women who feel scared and trapped, that is choice…I really don’t think so!

    • Poogles

      It isn’t 55 million “Americans”, it is 55 million (if that number is even correct) fetuses, who did not have personhood and therefore did not have citzenship either.

    • novel_compound

      Congratulations on arrogantly appointing yourself the decider of who is and isn’t a person.

      In the eyes of current law, they don’t have citizenship. And that is no more ethical than laws that allowed African-Americans to be bought and sold as slaves.

    • CARMEL350

      I wish people that are pro-choice would realize that a lot of pro-life activist are abortion survivors, ex-abortionist, men who have lost their children due to their non-exsistant reproductive rights, workers from abortion clinics, rape victims, Gays, and atheist!

    • CARMEL350

      There is a war on women and it starts in the womb, 222million girls aborted in China since 1974 and India and Korea, and even in my country Canada…so it should be called gendercide!

    • CARMEL350

      I believe this is ageism, you die because of your age!

    • chickadee

      Okay, crazy.

  • http://twitter.com/jimby1227 JDaniska

    OHHH Boy…Only in Ohio!!!

    • Justme

      Nope. Happened when I was in college down here in Texas. Luckily I went to a fairly liberal school where the majority of students either ignored them or challenged the group on their beliefs.

  • Anne

    In the words of Naomi Wolf, “How can we charge that it is vile and repulsive for pro-lifers to
    brandish vile and repulsive images if the images are real? To insist
    that the truth is in poor taste is the very definition of hypocrisy. If
    these images are often the facts of the matter, and if we then claim it
    is offensive for pro-choice women to be confronted by them, then we are
    making the judgment that women are too inherently weak to face a truth
    about which they have to make a grave decision. This view of women is
    unworthy of feminism.”

    • Katia

      love it.

    • http://twitter.com/mariaguido Guerrilla Mom

      Easy – because it is vile and repulsive and assumes women live in some sort of moral vacuum where they make haste decisions about something as important as deciding not to go through with a pregnancy. Deciding to abort is a difficult, sad, and traumatic decision. The pro-life movement assumes that it isn’t – that women that do it are callous and without morality. They use these images as dagger to those women. Fuck Naomi Wolf for making such a ridiculous comment.

    • novel_compound

      Well said, except for the “grave decision” phrase. After an abortion, the human remains don’t get the dignity of burial in a grave.

    • Lisa

      Because they are medical waste, not a person.

    • novel_compound

      Congratulations on arrogantly appointing yourself the decider of who is and isn’t a person.

      I was a fetus once, and so were you. Regardless of whether we had been killed when we were fetuses, or whether we had been killed by a criminal yesterday, WE WOULD BE EQUALLY DEAD TODAY. Asserting that a fetus is “not a person” does not erase that consequence.

    • CARMEL350

      They are human beings! Created by two living human beings!

  • JGM1764

    I’m actually pro-choice myself, BUT if you don’t believe a fetus is anything more than tissue why do you care about photos of them?

    • Annie

      Gore is upsetting, especially when someone is shoving it in your face in a heavy-handed attempt to make you subscribe to their ideology.

    • novel_compound

      Why, then, do anti-war movies use graphic depictions of violence? The Left voices hearty approval of that tactic, but is outraged when pro-lifers use the same tactic. (Probably because it’s an effective tactic.)

    • Nopesir

      I don’t think its because of the gore, more so because the pictures in question are horribly misleading. They often depict either a fake fetus, or a miscarriage or stillbirth in a way to shill for emotion. A real abortion looks nothing like that. War images show violence because everyone knows war is inherently violent, while these abortion graphics show a half truth, they rely on false images and false truth to make a statement. Besides, if anyone were truly pro-life they better damn be protesting war or else they kind of are not pro-life at all.

    • http://twitter.com/mariaguido Guerrilla Mom

      Exactly.

    • Gangle

      Thank you! The cheap ploys and propaganda that a lot of pro-life campaigns use are false and misleading… why can no-one see how unethical that is?

    • novel_compound

      I wasn’t aware of the use of fake images. Please give your opinion on whether these images are fake:

      http://amandakmelson.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/aborted-baby-2.jpg
      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7tPvRQQFGDY/SpKEolElxlI/AAAAAAAACaI/Snjo7DmQiGk/s400/abort7.jpg
      http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/abortionimages/malachi.jpg

      “if anyone were truly pro-life they better damn be protesting war”

      We are the nation that used military force to liberate persons in Nazi death camps. There’s no way this pro-life person would ever protest that.

      We are the nation that used military force to stop “ethnic cleansing” in the Balkans. There’s no way this pro-life person would ever protest that.

      Do you want to re-think what I had “better damn” be doing?

    • Nopesir

      Well. The malachi baby is not an abortion first off. it was removed in a medical procedure because it died in utero. The original unedited image shows the fetus is actual a grey/green in color, meaning it had been dead long before the procedure was carried out. If the fetus had been alive it would be the pink colour showed in the EDITED image.

      The other two images are 12-14 week fetuses, and were likely also removed via medical procedure in order to save the mother. Though the anatomy is suspicious and reminds me of this rubber gestation model I used to own. I know for a fact these images are often said to be ten week old fetuses they are not. Most abortions occur before the second trimester, and any abortion occurring after that is always due to medical need.

      In fact…this is what an abortion looks like:http://www.thisismyabortion.com

      Its actually very anti-climatic. Its nothing like the images above, i also know from my own experience. :/ You are not helping your cause by spreading misinformation. You are hurting your credibility. I understand you are passionate about the subject but you are incredibly misinformed.

      Furthermore, Your view of war is very american-centric. While true it has done some good things, Your ignoring everything else war does.

      The nazi death camps would not have been there if not for the war that put Germany into debt in the first place. The Bosnian genocide was caused by the Yugoslav wars. Oh yeah, sure they were all saved by the big bad america troops, but What brought them to that point to begin with? Oh yeah. war. You know, the thing that kills and destroys living breathing people that need our help now.

      You know what you better damn being doing? Helping the people that exist now. Theres people in america now that don’t even have food, or homes. THEY need your help, and as passionate as you are about the subject of abortion, I know you can make a difference in the lives of people who already exist, especially the 400,000+ Kids in foster care in the u.s now.

      Just please, Theres so much more you could be doing then preaching misinformation and propaganda to pixels on a screen.

    • novel_compound

      Ok, the photos at thisismyabortion.com show a small puddle of bloody goo. Let’s assume those photos are not fake.

      First, it’s a 6-week abortion, so there’s not as much anatomical structure to begin with. What anatomical structure there was, was rendered into a puddle of goo. Which is rather worse than an abortion with less mutilation, where some anatomical structure is still able to be seen in photos.

      In short, those photos do not help your case.

    • CARMEL350

      Watch this video, “Abortion-what does Late-Term mean” Graphic!

    • CARMEL350

      Check out this video, “The most shocking 4-minute abortion debate you will ever see.” Very graphic!

    • gangle

      I was going to reply.. but you said it all, better than I could.

    • CARMEL350

      Have you heard or read about Dr. Kermit Gosnell and what they found in his abortion clinic, baby parts in jars and freezer..but I’m sure you would say he was falsely arrested for committing murder!

    • Annie

      How dare you. I defy you to find anyone here who defends that creep.

  • Gangle

    I think the thing people don’t realise is that pretty much all of the photos of ‘aborted’ fetus’s are fake. Often they are actually photos of miscarriages or stillbirths – heck, sometimes even just rubber models that aren’t even proportionally correct.
    http://en.allexperts.com/q/Abortion-Pro-Choice-338/abortion-photos.htm
    That is just one link I googled as an example. Feel free to do your own research.
    I myself am pro-choice. I don’t care if other people are pro-life or what ever. People are free to believe what they want.
    I do care if people are using misleading images and information to either guilt or trick people. If the simple truth isn’t enough to be convincing then you really need to rethink.

    • Katia

      I think the truth would be convincing enough. I mean are you sayin that a photo of an actual aborted fetus would not be disturbing ?

    • Gangle

      I never stated that an actual picture of a real aborted fetus would not be disturbing. I stated that using false imagery and passing it off as fact is unethical.
      Are you, Katia, stating that you think there is absolutely nothing morally reprehensible about taking photos of either a fake fetus, a stillbirth or miscarriage and telling people they are photos of abortion? That LYING to people is ok, so long as you have good intentions? That you are morally superior for EXPLOITING somebody elses pain and misery (their tragic stillbirth or miscarriage) by plastering it on a placard and telling people it is an aborted fetus because you are pro-life? Sick.
      Also, an aborted fetus looks absolutely nothing like a still birth or miscarriage.
      I don’t care how well-intentioned you are, you should never mislead the very people you are pretending to educate.

    • novel_compound

      According to the “feminist and activist” quoted in the article, there were “terrible pictures of mutilated fetuses on campus,” not “fake pictures.” It’s funny that pro-abortion folks are questioning the veracity of this feminist and activist, and I am not questioning her veracity.

    • Gangle

      ‘mutilated fetus’ does not equate to ‘aborted fetus’ you great dolt. Fetal maceration causes terrible mutilation to the fetus, yet the fetus died tragically of natural death, not an abortion. Pictures of these types of miscarriage are very often used by pro-lifers who parade them falsely as pictures of abortion, with no respect for the lost fetus or the parents who tragically lost their pregancy through no fault of their own. Since you feel that a fetus is indeed a baby, do you think that it is OKAY to parade around someone elses dead baby (who died of natural causes) and tell the world a lie about how it died?
      In any case, I am not interested in a single quote taken from one person. I am interested in the truth. These pictures are very rarely the truth, and I am not ok with people tricking the public with them. Funny how you believe just one quote from one online article without feeling the need to question it. I hope and pray never to be so easily led.

    • CARMEL350

      Yes, you would love to believe they are fake, then you fools can sleep better at night! Tell me if you agree with this video… “Planned Parenthood’s war on Science”!

    • gangle

      Well, you didn’t provide a link, so I can’t tell you a thing about it. I don’t think it is foolish to be pro-choice. I don’t even believe it is foolish to be pro-life. We all have to make our own minds up on how we feel, and that is ok. I would have thought that we could all agree that exploiting greiving families through the use of images of their miscarried fetus’s to promote any cause is very very wrong. And lying to the public, no matter what your intentions are, is very amoral.

    • CARMEL350

      Maybe you should check out the Kermit Gosnell abortionist case, please tell me what the investigators found in the jars and in the freezer. Or was the media making this whole story up? lol! Seriously!

    • gangle

      Um, how is that at all relevant to anything I said, carmel? Kermit G is an abhorent human being, something I am sure everyone agrees with, but his actions do not in any way make using fake and doctored images to lie to the public ok.

  • novel_compound

    “a display that many considered offensive”

    That’s funny… people who like the choice of dismembering unborn children are offended by images of dismembered unborn children.

    “giant pictures of vaginas aren’t going to be supported by everyone – namely the anti-choice group”

    Wrong again, Ms. Guido. I am pro-life, or as you like to call it, “anti-choice,” and I support pictures of vaginas.

    “As a feminist and as an activist I came to campus and saw these terrible pictures of mutilated fetuses on campus and essentially felt attacked”

    This article is a riot! Those fetuses weren’t mutilated by pro-lifers; they were mutilated by abortionists. Why is she uncomfortable with visual evidence that women are exercising the choice that she promotes?

    She felt attacked, and yet, unlike the unborn children who were victims of abortion, her body remains perfectly intact.

    “I’d rather see a giant picture of a vagina over a giant picture of an aborted fetus any day.”

    I agree. Hopefully, someday it will be impossible to generate new photos of dismembered children, because the barbaric practice of abortion will be extinct.

    • Gangle

      Um, you do no those pictures are actually fake, don’t you? Even the picketers know they are fake…. using fake imagery and passing it off as fact is not education. It is propagandist bs of the worst kind.

    • novel_compound

      I don’t know that the particular images displayed at the University of Cincinnati are fake. But I guess you have been to Cincinnati, so you are in a position to say this?

      According to the “feminist and activist” quoted in the article, they were”terrible pictures of mutilated fetuses on campus,” not “fake pictures.” It’s funny that pro-abortion folks are questioning the veracity of this feminist and activist, and I am not questioning her veracity.

    • CARMEL350

      Testimony of an abortionist Paul Jarret, who quit after only 23 abortions. His turning point came in 1974 when he performed an abortion on a fetus at 14wks gestation.
      “As I brought out the ribcage, I looked and saw a tiny beating heart, “he would recall. “And when I found the head of the baby, I looked squarely in the face of another human being–a human being that I just killed. Look it up there is a video of his testimony online.

    • Annie

      u mad?

    • novel_compound

      About the barbaric practice of abortion? Yes… don’t barbaric acts make you mad?

      But at the same time I’m able to see humor in the absurdity of a pro-abortion person who is offended by visual evidence that women are exercising the “choice” that she promotes.

    • Annie

      How does the barbaric practice of forcing a woman to carry a fetus she doesn’t want to term suit you?

      Here’s the thing. You’re a butthole and the fact that you’re upset over a bunch of vaginas is frankly hilarious.

    • novel_compound

      What makes you think I don’t like pictures of vaginas? I’m perfectly fine with them. And pictures of vaginas are irrelevant to the issue of killing unborn children.

      “forcing a woman to carry a fetus she doesn’t want to term”

      Here’s a really good analogy: a landlord normally has the right to evict a deadbeat tenant. They have no right to be on his property, after all.

      But what if, through no fault of her own, the tenant finds herself chained to the wall of the apartment, in such a way that evicting her would kill her? (And to perfect the analogy, these chains are programmed to drop off after nine months.)

      Would you still crusade in favor of the landlord’s right to evict her?

      Or, just maybe, would you say the landlord is being “a butthole,” or worse, if, instead of waiting nine months for the chains to fall away, he dismembered her body and evicted her right now?

      Is it “barbaric” to ask the landlord to wait nine months, in order to spare the life of his tenant?

    • Annie

      Yes, because the tenant is a fully formed human being who isn’t reliant on another human being for sustenance, whilst living *inside of* that human being.

    • CARMEL350

      But you put the child there, he/she did not just appear on it’s own accord.

    • Annie

      No, I had sex or was raped and a fetus developed. It is not yet a viable person yet has all the parts of one. For whatever reason that’s no one else’s business, I make the difficult, not at all casual decision to evict the tenant, to carry the analogy.

    • CARMEL350

      Abortion has portrayed the greatest of gifts–a child– as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience…very sad and heartbreaking.

    • allison

      I wouldn’t want to see pictures of any surgery or medical procedure blown up to poster-sized.

    • Annie

      This.

      Especially when those pictures are being shoved in your face by people screaming incomprehensibly about how you’re a babbeh killer. Ten points for the ones that drag their own children there and expose them to this.