• Sun, Dec 16 2012

Those Claiming This Awful Tragedy Happened Because There Is ‘No God’ In Schools Need To Stop Talking Immediately

shutterstock_8004247“Dear God,

Why do you allow so much violence in our schools?

Signed,

A Concerned Student

Dear Concerned Student,

I’m not allowed in schools.

God”

Did anyone else see this ridiculousness that was floating around the Internet yesterday? I only have one Facebook friend that would post something so stupid, but apparently it’s been quite popular all weekend.

What exactly does this mean? There is a God, but his feelings are hurt because we don’t pray in schools? So he just sat idly by thinking, “Geez, I wish I could go in there and help.” If you believe in an all-knowing, benevolent being – well, than he’s all knowing and benevolent, right? I’m confused.

It’s not surprising that I am confused and annoyed, because the poster boy for the We’ve-Removed-God-From-Schools-This-Is-Our-Fault-Campaign is Mike Huckabee. You may remember him as the outspoken pro-life former Republican governor of Arkansas and avid Chick-fil-A supporterTalking Points Memo reports:

“We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools,” Huckabee said on Fox News, discussing the murder spree that took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults in Newtown, CT that morning. “Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?”

“[W]e’ve made it a place where we don’t want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability — that we’re not just going to have be accountable to the police if they catch us, but one day we stand before, you know, a holy God in judgment,” Huckabee said. “If we don’t believe that, then we don’t fear that.”

Hmm. Apart from his words being totally inappropriate, disrespectful, and wrong – I am going to argue that schools definitely are a place that teach “responsibility” and “accountability,” even if they manage to do it without the looming fear of burning in hell. Anyway, if Huckabee is such a good Christian, shouldn’t he just be offering condolences and comfort, rather than blaming the separation of church and state for all of the ills that befall our country?

He ended his diatribe to Fox News with this little gem: ”Maybe we ought to let [God] in on the front end and we wouldn’t have to call him to show up when it’s all said and done at the back end.”

Seriously? Don’t imply that your all-powerful “God” wouldn’t help these innocent, beautiful children because he is pissed about a detail of our constitution. That’s just gross.

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  • Justme

    I’m a little miffed at Mike Huckabee’s idea of God….for those who believe, God is good ALL the time and with EVERYTHING. But at the same time, God created us humans with free will to do as we please, whether that means following in His word or choosing to sin. God never said that if we chose to follow Him our lives here on Earth would be without troubles or trials. God did not create the horror that happened in Connecticut. God is not punishing us for not allowing His name in our schools. God created man. Man has free will. Man chose to engage in evil.

  • http://twitter.com/ashleyaustrew Ashley Austrew

    Ugh. I am so sick of people bringing God bullshit into everything. Shame on those people. Their idea of religion disgusts me.

  • Anonymous

    I am so sick of people complaining about people wanting religion in school. Honestly, I think a form of it should be there. It does not have to be a specific religion or God or prayer or the Bible but the CORE of every religion which is loving your neighbor and compassion. All schools are filled with hate, judgement, bullying, etc. I think it is time to start reminding everyone about other emotions and better ways to treat people. Everyone wants to talk about gun control but that is not the only answer and until that is recognized, nothing will change unfortunately.

    • Remi

      The problem with this is that it implies EVERYONE must have a religion, be it non-specific, non-defined, what have you. If you can’t be compassionate and loving without needing to believe that there’s some higher power standing over you and judging you, I don’t know that I want to be walking down a dark alley with you.

    • Andrea

      It’s a little insulting what you are implying. You are basically saying that the only reason I am a decent person is because I “fear” some high power “judging” me. I fell compassion and I love not because I fear any judging, but because I want to be the best person I can be. And (please forgive what I am sure is gonna sound like such bullshit to you, but true for me nonetheless) because I want to please my “higher power”. NOT out of fear, but out of gratitude.

      Mike Huckabee is an ASSHOLE. One that God (as we Christians know him) is not pleased with. But please do not imply that people that believe and do good works only do it because they fear judgement. Plenty of us do it because we want to make the world a better place (again, forgive what must sound like bullshit to you) for the glory of our God.

    • StephKay

      Andrea, go back and re-read remi’s point. I think youre misreading someone who was agreeing with you. The point is not that those with faith would be bad people if they weren’t afraid of god, the point is that they WOULD still be good people. Some use faith as a guideline for kindness, some use a combo of personal ethics and social customs unrelated to god, but we all do it for the same basic purpose of making the world a little nicer through our actions. When Remi says they wouldn’t want to be walking down an ally with someone who needs god to avoid violence I believe the intention was to point out that 99% of people like you would still be kind regardless of faith. Just like how I manage to be a former Jew, atheist heathen and a social worker handling homeless children simultaneously. We all find our own path to doing the right thing, regardless of how strongly we believe.

  • K.

    First of all, there was no intrinsic violence in Sandy Hook Elementary itself. Violence was visited upon Sandy Hook. It’s not like we disallowed school-sponsored prayer–and that’s SCHOOL-SPONSORED prayer, not prayer in itself–and then kids started having knife-fights on the playground. But according to the asinine FB meme, if those kindergartners had just prayed a little harder, then they’d be alive. Really, Mike? Really?? Mike will respond by going on and on about how no, he’s not victim-blaming, he’s just saying Christianity is about goodness and light and love and covenant with your fellow man and, by banning God from schools, we’re not practicing or nurturing those values.

    I have an idea.

    If you are Christian, and truly believe in those Christian values, then instead of ‘praying’ for the hungry before you sit down to dinner, maybe you should go out and feed people. Instead of ‘praying’ for the homeless before you go to sleep in your own bed, maybe you should volunteer at a shelter. Instead of ‘praying’ for an end to violence in response to watching the aftermath of some tragedy unfold on TV, maybe you should turn off the TV and go out and support women’s shelters and halfway houses and drug-treatment programs and organizations that help people find and prepare for jobs. Instead of wearing a fucking “WWJD?” t-shirt, maybe you should ACTUALLY DO IT. Not think about it, not pray for it, DO IT.

    Hunger, poverty, lack of education, and poor health (which includes mental health): these are what nurture violence. You want to fix things? Start by getting your hands unlocked from ‘prayer’ and USE them to do good work.

    • http://twitter.com/mariaguido Guerrilla Mom

      Agreed. Totally.

    • AP

      This is like those “Peace Walks” or “Prayer Vigils” that happen in neighborhoods crippled by gang violence. Praying won’t keep your kid from hanging out with the wrong crowd, but a really strict curfew will.

  • CrazyFor Kate

    It upsets me so much. If God abandons children just because they’re not forced to pray to him at all times, that’s not a God I want to follow.

  • Scarlette

    The far right is nutty. Next.

  • meteor_echo

    Mike Huckabee should remove himself from this planet and catapult himself over to Uranus. What an annoying bastard, blaming victims for a horrible tragedy that happened to them.

  • fig

    The religion I grew up with teaches us that God is within us. Therefore, if we are in schools, God is there with us. And he makes himself known in our actions, our kindness and our love… not in our words. So if you want God in your schools, teach your kids to be good people, good children. Don’t teach them to hate people who are different from them.

  • Karla Rusch

    Great post! Thank you. I was appalled when I saw this on Facebook immediately after the Connecticut school shootings. So wrong-headed in so many ways, whether you are a believer or non-believer. Talk about promoting an agenda at all costs. Very disheartening.

  • nonexpat

    I had two FB friends post this, and when I replied that I was confused why they think God would seek revenge for not having prayer in public schools by allowing a bunch of first graders to be gunned down, they both denied that was their intent. Then they posted a bunch of blah, blah, blah that sounded like a rehashing of Huckabeee. One of them posted his reply on my wall, rather than below his post and my comment. Then I got a couple of other religious vengeance types agreeing with his crap on my wall. I deleted it then. I managed to just ignore the gun nuts posting about not taking away their guns, but this sentiment sent me right through the roof.