• Thu, Sep 20 - 11:20 am ET

Let’s Stop Pretending Children Are The Only Annoying People On Planes

airplanesI took my son on his first flight when he was eight months old.  I didn’t sleep for about a month and a half before it.  That’s how much anxiety it caused me.  I’ve read the stories.  I know people dread being on flights with children and also complain extensively about it online.

The flight went off without a hitch.  As soon as the jet engines hummed louder for takeoff – he fell asleep.  He slept nearly the whole flight.  When he awoke, it was as if waking up in mid-air was the most normal thing in the world.  He looked out the windows, saw the clouds, and was totally unimpressed.

I was amazed.

Of course, it didn’t stop me from freaking out about the next flight we scheduled.  He was now a year and a half.  He was walking.  He was much more vocal.  I just knew it was going to be a nightmare.  I armed myself with toys, pacifiers, movies – anything and everything to prevent him from disturbing anyone around us.  Again – he was perfect.

The guy sitting behind me, however, was not.  He was very fidgety and tall, and kept kicking my seat – hard – the entire flight.  He was also listening to some country music on his iPod.  I’m pretty sure he was hard of hearing, because that damn thing was so loud, I could hear every twang.  Holy crap it was annoying.  Then there was the woman across the aisle that pulled an egg salad sandwich out of her purse mid-flight and slowly nibbled it for an hour and a half.

Two things hit me at that moment.  Adults can be just as annoying as kids.  Also, being child-free does not entitle you to a life of peace.  It just doesn’t.

Sorry to call out the child-free sect on this, but they are usually the ones complaining about how horrible it is to have kids on flights.  People with kids can generally empathize with a loud toddler or stressed out parent on a plane because they have been in their shoes.  Also, they are probably used to the annoying hum of a child’s whine.  It’s called self preservation – all parents have to get used to that.  Or go insane.  I prefer the former coping strategy, as do most parents I know.

But back to the people who think planes are not a place for children.  You are wrong.  You are also being a little ridiculous.  To even imply that a family should be grounded until their kids are old enough to understand consequences or not spontaneously burst into tears – is crazy.  Trust me, I’m with you on a lot of the other places that you think are inappropriate for kids.  I promise I will never saunter up to the bar, grab the stool next to yours, hoist my child up onto my lap, and order a beer.  I also won’t be the parent strolling my child into a Saturday matinee.  Unless Yo Gabba Gabba makes a feature film – then all bets are off.

The difference with these scenarios is that air travel is necessary.  It also sucks for everyone, unless you are rich enough to fly first class.  And then it still kind of sucks. There is just a little more space for it to suck in.  It’s not a Sandals all inclusive resort for adults — it’s a plane.

Now that my child is approaching the terrible twos, he may very well be difficult on his next flight.  But I really don’t care.  When people stop kicking my chair, farting, listening to loud music, eating egg salad sandwiches, high-fiving members of their bachelor party, and generally being clueless about how to behave in small spaces — I’ll start worrying about my child again.  Until then, put your headphones on, have a few cocktails, sit back, and enjoy the ride.

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  • http://twitter.com/BananaWheelz Amy

    Amen! I generally hate flying because of other adults, not children. I’d like to add the guy who takes his shoes off to this list. Blech.

    • goofyjj

      what if the guy MUST take his shoes off – diabetic?

    • Umma

      Then put on some bloody slippers. It’s not hard.

    • AllysonLT

      If you know you need to take your shoes off in public, use powder or odor eaters ahead of time if necessary so that you don’t disturb those around you.

  • ipsedixit010

    “People with kids can generally empathize with a loud toddler or stressed
    out parent on a plane because they have been in their shoes. ”

    No. I’m a parent. I’m not going to give you a reassuring look if you’re failing to control your child. I do not sympathize unless someone is actively trying to keep their child from being a pest and they are just inconsolable.

    Granted, I’m not going to roll my eyes and sigh at even at the sight of a kid on a plane. I assume everyone – kids included – is going to behave themselves until they give me reason to believe otherwise.

    But as parents of small kids, we need to be cognizant of what our kids are doing even though we can drown it out. It’s part of being polite. I’m not going to allow my child to be obnoxiously loud, scream, run around, etc, just because I can tune them out. That wouldn’t fly with an adult, and it’s not appropriate for a child. I’m not going to allow your kid to kick the back of my seat unabated while you say “oh, hey little buddy, let’s not kick the seat in front of us” then give me a “you’re a parent, you understand” half-ass apology.

    Don’t assume that just because someone is a parent, that they are going to put with your kid.

    • goofyjj

      YOU are my hero.
      Kids LEARN how to be annoying. They LEARN how to keep whining (with no consequence). Maybe egg woman and kicking guy’s parents never taught them to be mindful of others….

    • http://twitter.com/mariaguido Guerrilla Mom

      I literally doomed myself to having the flight from hell by writing this article. I’m not even kidding. The day after I submitted this I had to take a flight. My usually very pleasant, unruffled child threw up in the car on the way to the airport – so that’s how the trip began. Then he cried for 10 straight minutes before take off. He’s really not a screamer and a thrasher, but all of a sudden he became one. I wish you were sitting next to me so you could have shown me whatever magic trick you have that would have made him stop. He’ll be two in November, so he’ll never have to travel on my lap again.

    • Ipsedixit010

      I would file that under “inconsolable” above. Someone actively trying to calm a kid down isn’t going to get any shade from me. Sometimes they just can’t be pacified or reasoned with. (although I did download some ‘white noise’ onto my Iphone which always seems to help.)

      However, someone letting their kid scream, cry, squeal, kick, run around, bang tray tables, grab neighbors, etc. without doing anything about it – usually because they are used to it or they think it’s cute – are the ones that give others a bad name. Those people I don’t tolerate even though I’m a parent. I don’t let my kid behave like that, so don’t expect me to accept a shrug and a “kids being kids.”

    • http://twitter.com/mariaguido Guerrilla Mom

      Yes, totally agree. Also, white noise=genius.

    • GPMeg

      I’m pretty sure that white noise is the best thing ever discovered. My goddaughter hated sleep with a passion I’ve never seen in 20 years of child care but put on some white noise? BAM she was out.

    • LiteBrite

      On our way to Hawaii, there was a woman in front of me with what was a 12-18 month old child on her lap. That mother did her heroic best to keep that kid entertained, and she succeeded admirably. That child only fussed a couple of times, and each time she was on it. Unless I missed it, not one person around us gave her the stink-eye, most likely because she was so conscientious. (The kid finally fell asleep the last 30 minutes of the ride. Go figure.)

      When we landed, I was tempted to get up and start cheering for her then take her out for a nice dinner. I honestly don’t know if I could have achieved what she did.

    • Tinyfaeri

      This. I felt the same way both before and after becoming a mother. If you’re actively trying to calm your child down and they just aren’t having it, I have sympathy for you, and for your child. If you’re really choosing not to worry about how your child behaves until every adult on a plane behaves as you would want them to, and saying that the rest of us should “put your headphones on, have a few cocktails, sit back, and enjoy the ride,” I have no sympathy for you and you deserve every glare you get. It’s all about attitude.

  • AllysonLT

    I hear you. I’ve flown with my kids many times, starting when the first one was 6 weeks old. Usually it went fine. Occasionally, it really sucked. And once, on a red-eye from SFO to LGA, my 6-month-old cried for three. hours. straight. I tried toys, board books, walking the aisles, rocking him in my arms, singing, nursing, everything. It was HORRIBLE. He was miserable. I was mortified. Some of the other passengers were openly hostile. (One guy actually asked me, “Can’t you shut that kid up?” I told him, “Well, yeah, I could, but I prefer this.”) It’s not that I don’t care about my fellow passengers; it’s just that sometimes there’s nothing you can do. Once the kids got old enough to reason with, I made sure that they were polite, quiet, and reasonably non-fidgety. They’re 9 and 11 now, and they do just fine on flights. And, unlike some of the adults I’ve encountered in the air, they’ve never drunkenly gone on and on to their hapless seatmates about their failed marriages or crappy jobs; never tapped out 2-hour imaginary drum solos with their fingers on the tray tables; never whipped out their iPads and looked at porn for a whole flight; and never picked their noses more or less nonstop across the Atlantic. So there’s that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/helen.donovan.31 Helen Donovan

      You’ve never been around the drumming kid, next to the one who won’t shut up (admittedly sober) or picked their noses?? You must be the only one. That being said, I do sympathize with you & the 6m old; nothing you can do at that age. However as you did, my parents started teaching me how to behave when traveling quire young (my first flight I was 4m old). Why parents who have never made their children behave before expect that they will be good when stuffed into a small space for 4 hours just baffles me. If you can’t get them to sit still for an hour for movie or at church, they are not going to magically do it when they get on a plane.

    • AllysonLT

      I didn’t say that; I just said my kids have never acted like that on planes because I taught them how to behave. (Although I will say I have had a lot more bad flights due to adult rudeness than child rudeness.)

  • LiteBrite

    Here is my take, for whatever it is worth.

    Before I had kids, I thought I was annoyed by them. True, kids can be annoying (I have one. Trust me. He can be annoying.); however, I’ve come to realize that it’s not so much kids that I’m completely annoyed by but more parents that don’t do anything about their kids behavior that I’m most irritated with.

    Here’s a good example. I once was on a two-hour flight from Milwaukee to Atlanta where a small child, 5 or 6 years old, kicked my seat the entire flight. I’m not talking about once or even twice. It was the. entire. flight. Both feet. Oh, the mom made a couple of half-hearted attempts to make him stop (“Oh sweetie. Don’t do that.”) but gave up after a minute or so when it became clear he wasn’t going to listen. I wasn’t as irritated with him as I was with the mom. He was a kid and didn’t necessarily realize that what he was doing was annoying, but his mom, the adult sure did, and as the parent she had the responsibility to ensure he behaved himself. Conversely, when we flew to Hawaii a few months ago, my son kicked the seat in front of him. I told him to stop. He did again a little while later. I grabbed his leg and said, “Knock it off. NOW.” He knocked it off. I’m sure the person in front of him was annoyed by my son’s kicking; however, not nearly so annoyed if I had let the kid continue doing it for the next 10+ hours.

    I agree kids are as much a part of society as anyone else and that needs to be accepted. BUT (big BUT here), more than a few parents also need to realize that just because they **are** parents doesn’t mean they are the center of society and everyone just has to deal with it. I think most people, even those “evil childfree ones” (said in jest, not in honesty), are fairly tolerant of this concept and can deal with a child being a little annoying on a flight so long as the parent is clearly trying to get the situation under control. I think when the annoyance boils over is when the parents take the attitude that their little dumpling is just fine screaming the whole flight and annoying everyone on the plane.

    One more thing: just because I’m a parent doesn’t mean I can tolerate an ultra-annoying kid any better than a non-parent can, especially on a plane. Typically when I fly it’s to visit friends, sans child, and I like my peace and quiet just as much as anyone else. :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/helen.donovan.31 Helen Donovan

      That happened to me once and, after it became clear the mombie was one of those “no, no dear” types I turned to her and said “either you stop him or I WILL.” Got some guff about “what I am supposed to do” and I explained that I didn’t care, she could hold his legs for 3 hours but if it continued I’d be standing behind her sear (on the isle) and kick it non-stop. Not sure if I scared her or the kid or both but there was no more kicking.

  • Smalls

    I’m a frequent flyer, and I’m totally with you – people on planes are annoying. Kids, adults, doesn’t matter. It sucks.

    I do have to say, I was ready to really enjoy this article, but then it turned into a bit of an attack on people without kids. It took away some of the punch for me as a member of that group.

    • http://twitter.com/mariaguido Guerrilla Mom

      Yes, I totally see your point – and it wasn’t intended. I am wrong about the idea that parents would be more empathetic anyway, as some of the comments are making clear. Maybe I’M just empathetic because I dread flying with my child so much.

    • Megan

      I’m super sympathetic to parents too. I’ve flown with a infant with an ear infection who SCREAMED during the entire descent and there was nothing I could do to console her. Meanwhile several people straight up glared at me while I was obviously making every effort possible and the fasten seatbelt sign was on so it wasn’t like I could walk her around. By the time when deplaned I was practically in tears myself. (Also I would like to mention that I was up all night the night before with her and had contracted said ear infection.) So whenever I’m out and see a stressed out parent trying to calm their kid, I offer a sympathetic smile and nod as if to say “I get you, and I’ve been there”.

      On the other hand, when I was stressed recently about flying with three small children, my MIL said “Don’t worry about it. I used to fly with the kids all the time when they were little and it was fine. I mean, what kind of trouble can they get into? It’s an enclosed space so they can’t run off anywhere. I used to let Chris (my husband’s brother) tire himself out by running up and down the aisles.” My jaw dropped. WTF!?!?!? She was that parent. I would never do that and I’m not sure how I would react to seeing that on a plane. Everyone parents differently and I think part of the social contract is trying to be respectful and considerate of others when out and about no matter what your age.

    • GPMeg

      As an ADULT who just flew with an ear infection I feel awful for BOTH of you– even I was about to start screaming like a baby and I’m 27! You have my respect, internet friend!

  • kathleen

    Except for a minority (a voluble minority) of people who would prefer that children be seen and not heard at all times, I think most people on airplanes merely dread the badly-behaved child. I have heard wry comments from fellow passengers inconsolable children whose parents are apologetically and grimly walking them, soothing them, or trying to divert their attention, but most of us understand that the parents are trying and that they probably hate this more than we do. But we don’t enjoy whining and nagging and we do expect that to be addressed asap by the involved parent. Having children doesn’t make you tolerant of other children’s bad behavior.

    My daughters were very good fliers, for which I was very grateful, although as lap children they liked to stand on my thighs for much of the flight, which is very tiring. What many parents need to remember, though, is that the plane is not your living room and that fellow passengers are often not amused by toddlers trotting up and down the aisles and bumping into those seated on the aisle (this happened on my most recent flight). The parent-child combos who generally prompt the online complaints are those children who play with electronic devices without using earphones and whose parents don’t care, those children who kick seats repeatedly and who do not respond to requests to stop (or whose parents don’t), or the undisciplined children whose parents have simply checked out (you can also find these combos in restaurants, with the parents oddly believing that the servers are also sitters). As long as you are taking care of your child and considering the rights of your closest neighbors (by which I mean your lap child is not resting/leaning/drooling on the unrelated person next to you, or is soothing himself by gently kicking the seat or tray table) then most (MOST) passengers aren’t going to stink-eye you.

    And tolerance runs all ways — that tall guy behind you was probably trying to adjust his legs because the inadequate leg room was making his leg muscles cramp. And please tell me that you really aren’t so easily annoyed that you equate a woman eating a sandwich with an undisciplined child….

  • Gen

    Very rarely is it the child who irks me. It’s always the parent, whether its at the grocery store, on a plane, at the park wherever. If a kid is going nuts and mom/dad are actively trying to get the munchkin to mellow I do feel some empathy (not sympathy, there is no reason to pity the parent) for them and I move on. However, when little Joey is sprinting up and down the grocery aisle, throwing his toy at the back of my head on a plane, or throwing rocks at the park, or having a melt down somewhere and all mom/dad says “stop it, that’s not nice,” or worse just pretending like kiddo isn’t having said meltdown, I get irritated. Again not at the munchkin but at mom and dad for sucking in that moment at parenting. Adults teach children how to behave pretending the kid isn’t freaking out isn’t teaching him anything except how to be annoying adult (who eats egg sandwiches on planes and kicks the back of peoples chairs).

  • bumbler

    Children have every right to fly as everyone else, they’re not 2nd class citizens. Like many have pointed out, they’re not the only annoying people on board. What about special needs people? Should we ban autistic adults from flights because they sometimes make weird noises or movements? Should we ban someone with cerebral palsy because they drool? Or someone with tourette’s who shouts for no reason? Seriously, discrimination against vulnerable populations (incl children) is just UNCIVILIZED.

    I’ve never been terrorized by a child (thanks to having 11 kids of my own and previously being a nanny, I am pretty damn immune to kid noise/shenanigans). Ever heard of ear plugs? You basically have to have thick skin in the cramped conditions of modern society. The only time I lose it on a flight is when SICK people are flying. They cough all over you and you can’t escape. Everyone on the flight gets sick. It’s disturbing. That’s my only airline gripe (haha, that’s a pun, in french “gripe” means the flu).

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=592188905 Bran Chesterton

      Not everyone has chosen to have 11 kids to desensitize themselves to children’s antics. Parents who don’t attempt to keep their children quiet are to blame, not the kids. No one blames a 6 month old for being upset. And no one blames a mentally challenged person for having sometimes vocal issues.

      There is a difference between hating that person/child and really begrudging the fact you have to be stuck for 5 hours on a plane with them. Maybe some parents shouldn’t take things so personally.

    • bumbler

      I don’t really understand why you said “Not everyone has chosen to have 11 kids to desensitize themselves to children’s antics.”? I didn’t even vaguely imply anyone should do this, it was just a humorous personal account? And I didn’t adopt and foster my kids in order to desensitize myself to kid noise, it just happened, so that’s also a bit of a strange assertion.

      Sadly, people do indeed blame babies and mentally challenged folks for making noises or being alarmed by things. I just read an article about a young man with mental disability being booted off a flight for being “fidgety” or something of that nature. And even parents get mad and frustrated at a baby who won’t pipe down when needed, even if it’s an unrealistic expectation.

      You can also combine these into one issue: young children with mental/behavioral issues. It’s not like anyone will necessarily know if your 2 year old is ‘normal’ and should act accordingly, or if they’re special needs and incapable of behaving as one would expect.

      There are all kinds of people in the world in all kinds of situations, it seems more realistic to prepare yourself to face some adversity when trapped in a small tin can for hours, rather than just hoping all 500 passengers will adhere to all of your personal social expectations (including parents who don’t think they need to control their kids). So my suggestion is to stop fruitlessly whining, get some thick skin/patience, and ear plugs. There will always be careless parents, and there will always be guys eating smelly sandwiches, so it’s best to try and adapt/cope.

    • Frenchwoman

      It’s grippe, actually.

    • bumbler

      geez, close enough don’t you think?

  • AniAngel

    Agree with almost all comments, it’s the parents who don’t try… Yes an inconsolable baby is annoying but it happens to everyone sometime. The precious angel who throws fits about everything, kicks your seat non-stop, generally has no manners and their parents do nothing, that’s who I reserve the death glare for.

  • http://www.facebook.com/helen.donovan.31 Helen Donovan

    I don’t recall that anyone has said that adults are flawless. Certainly they can range from annoying to horrid. However, if you ask them to be quite, stop kicking your seat, etc. you don’t get “you’re not a parent so you don’t understand, that’s what young adults/middle-aged people/seniors citizens do…..” If you have to put up with annoying adults it’s your own problem for not having a spine
    Also, as a childfree person, I am not thrilled with a screaming baby but I do understand that often their ears hurt and that they don’t undertand what is going on. What I do not understand, and will NOT put up with, are parents who decide not to worry about their children and expect others to put on “headphones…., have a few cocktails, (are you buying?), sit back, and enjoy” their brat.

    • me

      Actually, on my most recent flight I did politely ask the annoying adult behind me to be quieter and she told me to bring earplugs next time. The lap child next to me was an angel.

  • Jenn

    I had to take a plane ride with my 16 month old to halfway across the country while my husband and I went to go play with the military. So it was necessary and the only option I had because someone has to watch our child (his grandparents were). I bought a seat for him in case he did throw a fit (and he did on the way back, but his ears were hurting) so that I wasn’t trying to fight him and calm him down at the same time. It sucks, I personally wouldn’t fly with a young toddler like that because of how difficult it was, but at the same time I couldn’t avoid it. But I don’t blame people for wanting to hole up in their houses and never take a vacation because they have a small child.
    And adults can be annoying. Before I had a baby one flight I had the lady sitting next to me kicked me the whole time (I was a size 3-4, not fat at all). Another guy took my husband’s seat before we boarded, didn’t even wait and then ask. So I was thinking we were going to sit together so I didn’t bring my book. Then another the guy was too big for the seat, which I get, they’re small seats, but then he was coughing and not covering his mouth…. Disgusting.

  • Jenn

    I will say this, my husband was annoying the heck out of me (and I’m sure the people around us) because he was getting annoyed that my son wasn’t calming down so he was getting p*ssy and he (husband) yanked the seat in front of him one time and was just super irritating. That’s more annoying than just letting a toddler cry. I should have sat next to my son at that rate.
    Though I did bring my son to the bathroom to check his diaper and, yea, there wasn’t that little table thing that some planes have so you can change a baby in there (this was a big plane too). So I was trying to change him in a 2ft area with him standing while I’m sitting on the toilet and I guess the door wasn’t exactly locked, so of course someone opens it (even though there were 2 bathrooms there). Then I got his diaper half on and had to go out of there because my husband had me in a bad mood and I couldn’t get the diaper on in there.
    I think I did better flying alone with a toddler than flying with a toddler and my husband. The only good thing was the extra pair of hands to carry the car seat on the plane with.

  • ?

    What’s wrong with egg salad sandwiches?

  • RichesseSilverFox

    As a member of this “child-free sect”, as you call it, I’m really generally not annoyed to see children boarding a flight. It’s their parents I’m annoyed to see. Also, we are entitled to a life of peace. And so are parents. They just actually have to do a little work to try to have it. And in reference to the whining, you used the wrong word, “self-preservation”. I think you meant “selfish”. Because that’s what it is.The only thing worse than a screaming child is his/her mother/father’s silence. Sane people will at least give kudos to a parent who genuinely tries to control their children.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005180227627 Facebook User

    I read a similar article once, and the comment that really made me laugh was “the day they have a kid-free airline, we’ll all be happier.” I mean, is this person an idiot? The point is understood, but what business, in their right mind, would exclude a potential customer? And when you consider it’s not just one customer, but a FAMILY of customers… Anyway, I second everyone else when I say that adults know better than to be annoying; babies and small children do not.

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    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005180227627 Facebook User

      Now I’m the idiot, posting as “Facebook User.”

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