The Problem With The Anti-Abortion Movement’s ‘Rape Exception’

This weekend, a Missouri Congressman and Senate candidate, Todd Akin, infuriated people everywhere when he claimed that victims of “legitimate rape” do not become pregnant. He was explaining his belief that abortion should be outlawed even in cases of rape. Apparently, Akin believes that the female body has ways to “shut that whole thing down,” if the woman involved didn’t really want to have sex. Nevermind that according to a 1996 study by the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, approximately 32,101 pregnancies occur due to rape every year in this country.

The response to Akin’s disgusting remarks has been fast. After the initial wave of outrage, the Congressman released a statement saying that he “misspoke” but continuing to defend his extreme views on abortion. Akin clarified, “I recognize that abortion, and particularly in the case of rape, is a very emotionally charged issue. But I believe deeply in the protection of all life and I do not believe that harming another innocent victim is the right course of action.”

However, even in anti-abortion circles, outlawing abortion in the cases of rape or incest is not generally accepted. Most people agree that victims of these acts should be able to make their own decisions when it comes to their reproductive health. In response to Akin’s quote, the Republican Presidential ticket of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan released a statement saying, “Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.” [tagbox tag="rape"]

This rape exception for abortion is one that gets thrown around a lot. In general, people realize that a rape victim should not be made to carry her attacker’s child. I suppose those who qualify their opposition to abortion with these special circumstances feel like they’re doing a favor for the poor, broken survivors.

But as a rape victim, I have a hard time understanding why the rape exception would be seen as a thoughtful gesture to survivors. The rape exception is not enough. And if we’re being honest, I think it’s a pretty hollow and thoughtless qualifier to throw in, more to protect the anti-abortion crusader from answering difficult questions than to actually help women who might become pregnant after rape.

For a minute, let’s think about how a rape exception would actually play out, should conservatives get their way and outlaw abortion in all other circumstances. How exactly are women who have been raped going to access the abortion they might desire? The most under-reported crime in the country would have to be proven, and quickly – considering the time constraints, for a woman to actually qualify for her abortion. Women would have to rely on a system where approximately 3% of rapists actually spend a day in jail.

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    • Tinyfaeri

      Very well said, and I agree with every word. The direction our country’s heading scares the crap out of me, I keep hoping we’re in for a modern renaissance after what seem to be a revival of the dark ages.

    • Char966

      I don’t think the “rape exception” is being held up as something that should be legally in place (correct me if I’m wrong, I live in the UK where this kind of thing isn’t an issue). It’s just a moral belief. Lots of things (like assisted suicide) can be supported in principle, but clearly wouldn’t work in practice.

      Also, if a woman is pregnant through consensual sex, then she’s not being “forced” to have a baby. She’s being expected to take responsibility for the consequences of choices that she made. Vaginal intercourse causes pregnancy. Therefore, if you don’t want to be pregnant, don’t have vaginal intercourse. There’s nothing at all wrong with expecting adults to take responsibility for their own actions.
      – A woman who would keep and raise her baby if she was pregnant from rape or from consensual sex. Because that’s what responsible people do.

      • http://www.facebook.com/houde.veronique Véronique Houde

        Char966, I hope that in the event that you have teenagers, your main instinct is to teach said teenagers responsibility and good decision-making. Being an active part of your children’s lives and letting them enough freedom to test their responsibility and decision-making is part of growing up and your children will be better for what you would have taught them.

        However, people make mistakes, or don’t think, or use contraception and it breaks, or are so messed up psychologically that even if they WANTED to be an amazing parent, it’s just completely impossible. Let me ask you a question: how many children of one of these situations would you be willing to take in in order for them not to be aborted? Because in most cases, you are moralizing for people to accept their responsibilities and raise children when they might not be able to, which only makes these children suffer.If as a society you want to prone responsibility, then you also need to step up as a society and help these people out to be the best parent that they can be. And unfortunately, that is not the case in the USofA (because in Canada, apart from a few crazy midwestern extremist conservatives, we are way past this debate), where it is the land of the american dream, where people are told that they must make their own fortune and opportunities…

        And if you refuse for a society to take responsibility for these chidlren, then you are basically accepting that your morals should dictate the sufferings of people you don’t know or understand.

      • Lindsay

        If a woman discovers she’s pregnant and doesn’t want to have a baby, and she is not allowed to have an abortion, that forces her to have a baby. Have you ever been through childbirth? Maybe you would change your mind about allowing other people to have abortions if you experienced childbirth or post-partum depression or psychosis. When you read in the news about some woman in Mississippi who put her infant in an oven, and cooked it to death, it makes you wonder if she should have had access to abortion while it was just a clump of cells clinging to her uterine lining. And don’t tell me women in Mississippi have access to abortion. You have to have the time and money to travel to Jackson and stay in a hotel for the waiting period, on top of the money for the procedure. That’s a lot to expect of someone who isn’t prepared to take care of a baby and wasn’t responsible enough or didn’t have the resources or possibly the choice to prevent it.

      • Jaclyn

        Well said. Women in Mississippi do not have adequate access to abortion or decent family planning and no woman should be forced to have a child that she does not want. It never turns out well for those children.

      • Maureen

        “There’s nothing at all wrong
        with expecting adults to take responsibility for their own actions.”

        There is according to certain pro-choicers. The idea of responsibility doesn’t exist for these people; basically it doesn’t matter if you had consensual unprotected sex, you can abort the child whenever you feel like it, as many times as you feel like it. Abortion is just another form of birth control for these types and they see killing the fetus as no different than stamping on a cockroach because it’s in your way.

    • Fabel

      Very well-written article, with thoroughly articulated points that I haven’t yet heard voiced. Agree with everything you said.

    • http://www.facebook.com/houde.veronique Véronique Houde

      *stands up and claps!* Finally, someone who very intelligently takes a long used point in the anti-abortion debate and develops it fully. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It must have been a very empowering moment for you to speak up about what you had experienced. As a counsellor, we never encourage people to report their crime to the police unless it is something that will lead to healing. And if they are considering it, we take the time to explain the ENTIRE process of reporting the crime (from the rape kit, to the interrogation, the investigation, and then the crown prosecution, etc…) Most of the time, it scares the victims, and we explore more soft ways of healing. I have nightmares at thinking of what might happen if there were a law in place only exempting rape victims… Examining her body to see if there are enough bruises to their liking? Doing a psychological test? Calling the guy to verify his side of the story? Ugh…

      • claire

        “As a counsellor, we never encourage people to report their crime to the police unless it is something that will lead to healing.” This is what counsellors ENCOURAGE? I don’t mean to sound naive, as I understand that the system is flawed and (like the article states), a lot of rapists get away with it, only to leave the victim feeling exposed…. however, how is sweeping rape under the rug ever going to change the situation?

        Yes, maybe never reporting it makes the victim feel less exposed but isn’t that almost PROMOTING the idea to the victim that they should feel ashamed and keep it a secret? What if the rapist attacks a woman later on that could have been prevented if you had gone to the police and the rape kit provided DNA evidence to solve another rape down the line? Also if victims didn’t feel so ashamed they got raped and went to the hospital immediately, they would receive the morning after pill, which I imagine would prevent a lot of the rape pregnancies.

        I understand that police often don’t take rape stories seriously because it can be such a “he said/she said” issue, but the only way it’s going to get better is if it’s out in the open.

      • RCC

        I think she meant they don’t encourage OR discourage. If a survivor thinks it will make them feel better/ help with healing, counselors are all for it, but it is not beneficial for everyone and not something a good counselor would push if the survivor was against it.

      • claire

        “And if they are considering it, we take the time to explain the ENTIRE process of reporting the crime…Most of the time, it scares the victims, and we explore more soft ways of healing.” That doesn’t sound very neutral to me.

        How about the people who gave my comment negative points explain what bothered them about what I said? I’d like to hear someone’s viewpoint on why it would be a bad idea to want a victim to report a rape to the police. Like I said, I know it doesn’t always conclude with the rapist being put behind bars, but at least you’re giving information to the police in order for them to help solve any further crimes down the road if the attacker ends up being a serial rapist (which, a lot of times, is common).

        I’m obsessed with crime documentaries and I’ve seen enough of them where serial rapists got away with crimes for decades longer than they should have, because victims ended up later on admitting that they never went to the police and reported the crime. A lot of times these rapists, after getting away with it so many times, get arrogant and end up murdering a victim. I don’t blame these women for being afraid and not reporting their crimes, however, what if they had helped save another woman from being attacked and/or possibly even murdered? How would you feel as a woman who got raped by someone you later found out raped other women who never bothered to try and get that rapist in trouble?

        It boggles my mind that these women who call themselves “feminists” can at the same time advocate rape victims to not report the crime, like… oh well, he’s not going to get put in jail, so why bother! You’ve been ashamed enough, no point in letting the public know about it!

        ….This line of thinking only promotes the idea of the victim further being a victim/feeling ashamed (instead of outraged, like they should). Not too far off from people who think girls that dress scantily are “asking for it”.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=583080781 Fiona Beswick

        Yes, surely report is vital. Rather than looking for ‘softer ways’ wouldn’t it be better to help her find an inner toughness to go through with it? And it may also help to stop downgrading the definition of rape to mean: “He ignored my slight hesitation’ I saw a girl on reddit complaining that she got very stoned, hooked up with a young guy (both about 15) started getting into it and then she said “i’m not sure’. the young guy (he is 15, remember) said “don’t worry” and they went at it. But, she said “my mind was screaming No!” So she is charging him with rape, with the support of many female reddit posters. How can this be rape? It’s practically a given that many many women will pretend a slight hesitation, want to look as if the man has led the way, want to make the man feel a bit of a hunter, want to not feel guilty thenselves. How is a man to know the difference and how on earth is a boy to know? Because of stuff like this, rape gets taken less seriously and women get accused of false allegations.

    • Lindsay

      “Apparently, Akin believes that the female body has ways to “shut that whole thing down,” if the woman involved didn’t really want to have sex. Nevermind that according to a 1996 study…”

      And nevermind, like, biological science.

    • Jaclyn

      Thanks you for a great article!! I have always thought that the rape exception is just a way to sway those people who are morally conflicted about abortion. It is an often touted, but never viably explained idea that no one wants to admit will never work. It just makes the condemners feel better.

    • C.J.

      Although I don’t believe a woman should have an abortion unless there is a medical reason (including psychological reasons), rape or incest I also don’t think it sould be illigal. Women should take responsibility for there actions if they choose to have sex and get pregnant. I would also never judge a woman for her choice, no one can really understand someone elses difficult choices. Just because these are my beliefs doesn’t they are the right beliefs for everyone else, just me. That being said, how many women would have to endure carrying a rapist’s baby because it is too painful to report the rape. How many women would die during childbirth because her doctor decided her medical reason wasn’t severe enough. How many women will give birth to a child with no hope of survival that will suffer for a short time and then die. How many women would die because they either tried to abort the baby themselves or went to an illigal clinic. That’s what happened before abortion was legal and that is what they will do again because they will feel trapped. People who feel trapped don’t always make their decisions rationally, even disregarding danger to themselves. Instead, women should have access to all the information about abortion, adoption, keeping the baby and where to find the support they need for each option. Then they can make an informed decision and know they made the right decision for themselves.

    • Alexmmr

      While I find this guy abhorrent, and I’m staunchly pro-choice, I have to give him credit for not being the hypocrite that most pro-lifers are.

      The issue I have with the exceptions for rape is that it proves that the baby is not the main concern. If it really is all about protecting the innocent babies, a baby of rape is just as innocent as a baby of consensual sex. If you believe it’s just too cruel to force a woman to carry a rapists baby against her will, than it’s just as cruel to force a woman who had consensual sex to carry a baby against her will as well.

      So when someone believes in no abortion except in cases of rape, that tells me that the person is more concerned about making a woman pay the price of her naught dirty behavior than they are about protecting the baby. That’s why every woman should have the choice.

      This guy is an asshole with no comprehension of biology, and I hope he loses his ability to influence legislation in any way, but at least he believes he’s protecting babies, and isn’t just trying to punish women for having sex. His belief is based on incorrect information of course, but I can at least respect the intentions even if the execution is completely flawed.

      • Sloane

        VERY well said.

      • Karen

        I understand your argument but respectfully disagree. I am pro-life but also pro-choice. I believe that the baby conceived during a rape is a baby just as a baby conceived during consensual sex is a baby. It just seems to be a bit like raping the woman all over again to watch as she carries a child of her attacker. I don’t think asking a woman who was not raped to give the child she carries a chance at life is hypocritical at all. It is an entirely different scenario. THat does not mean that I hope to punish her for her”naughty dirty behavior” as you call it. It just seems that the person she carries should not be terminated for that same behavior.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=583080781 Fiona Beswick

        That’s totally inconsistent. Either a foetus is a person or it isn’t. Either abortion is murder or it isn’t. If you think that it is, then surely this is compounding the crime of rape with another crime. We don’t allow people traumatised by rape to shoot their boss, so why should they be allowed to kill their baby? You referred to the foetus as ‘the person she carries’, so why should that ‘person’ suffer death because its father was a rapist? (I do not believe anything of the sort. A foetus is not a person).

        And further, you don’t really have the right to decide what is trauma. You may think that an accidental pregnancy isn’t traumatic: you are not the woman it has happened to. You are unbelievable. How dare you tell another woman to ‘give the child a chance at life”? How do you know how awful pregnancy might be for her? What if it messes up her whole life, ruins a career she has worked and slaved for?
        And something I really don’t get, is why anti-abortionists don’t vigorously campaign for contraception access. It’s outrageous to tell women not to enjoy a fulfilling sex life, or to only have one in marriage. What if you’re not asked to be married? What if it’s not suitable for you? Celibacy is the only option?
        And another thing. How come concern for the child always stops at birth? the same people who campaign against abortion also campaign against funds for single mothers and poor families. You force women to have kids and then they are on their own. And btw, adoption is a lot more traumatic than abortion. Having an abortion isn’t traumatic at all.

      • Serena

        ” If you believe it’s just too cruel to force a woman to carry a rapists
        baby against her will, than it’s just as cruel to force a woman who had
        consensual sex to carry a baby against her will as well.”

        Please tell me you’re being facetious and are not actually this stupid. Though I’m not holding my breath… ;)

      • Necrometric

        To require a person to allow another organism (human or otherwise) to use his/her body is the same as rape or slavery, regardless of how that organism got there. Let’s pretend that the fetus is a fully formed human being. No human being should have the right to another human being’s body.

      • Serena

        I have no issue with abortion; I’m pro choice. My issue is with your comparison to rape and slavery. According to your logic, a woman getting pregnant as a result of consensual sex is equivalent to someone being raped? I guess all our daddies are rapists then.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=583080781 Fiona Beswick

        I have to agree with that. If you are going to take the position that life is sacred, then how the life was created doesn’t affect its sanctity. It is a consistent position, that’s true.

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    • K.

      “And if we’re being honest, I think it’s a pretty hollow and thoughtless
      qualifier to throw in, more to protect the anti-abortion crusader from
      answering difficult questions than to actually help women who might
      become pregnant after rape.”

      This is an excellent point.

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    • Aniangel

      Really powerful, thank you for your words and the strength it took to put them online.

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    • Amanda

      I don’t agree with the rape exception. It’s silly. I think that all life is life, no matter the circumstances of which it came about. Two of my best friends are “rape babies”. I couldn’t imagine my life without them. While, yes, their mothers went through a traumatizing event in their lives (one was raped by her boyfriend and the other a stranger) they both agree that they have been immensely blessed by their children. Nick and Loren are two of the most wonderful people I know. I understand that some women will be horrified to carry the child of their attacker, I really do. Both Nick and Loren’s mothers had a difficult pregnancy knowing those things. But now, 19 and 20 years later, both of them agree that they don’t connect their children with their rape in any way and that are glad that they got the blessing of their children out of the horrific act committed against them.

      • caricake

        The example of Nick and Loren and their mothers is a great one but you know what? The end result of both these stories has absolutely no bearing on anyone else’s experience- and thats kinda the main point here. No two people have exactly the same experiences, or experience the same event in the same way. So while it certainly is nice that things worked out for the best for Nick, Loren, and their mothers, that doesn’t mean all victims will have a similar happy ending. That is why cute anecdotes like yours shouldn’t serve as some kind of basis for judging the entire issue.

      • AlbinoWino

        So let me get this straight. You think based on the circumstances surrounding 2 people you know, that this should be enough justification to make policy for a nation of millions? Wow, that’s pretty dim. Not everyone is your friend Nick or Loren. It should boil down to who the hell are you to tell other people what to do with their bodies? You are not them. Don’t want an abortion? Fine, you don’t ever have to have one. But I need crazy people like you to stay away from my body and not legislate my uterus. I’m flattered you’e so interested in my sex life but no. Keep that crap to yourself

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    • Faye

      I didn’t report my rape for the same reasons. I was sure no one would believe me, or they’d believe a sexual encounter occurred but that it was mutual. Instead of collapsing in on myself right away, though, I repressed it and about six months later I was laying in bed about to fall asleep when the reality of what occurred hit me and I just started wailing.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W4BABJYOBZPUHQ2Q7IFVXDYIH4 DontlistentoMassMedia

      Interesting points here… along with actual pregnant rape victim comments. http://www.pregnantpause.org/aborted/curerape.htm

      “Abortion does not solve rape. It simply transforms the victim into a
      victimizer. Jackie B. had an abortion after a rape. She later said:

      “I soon discovered that the aftermath of the abortion continued a long time
      after the memory of my rape had faded. I felt empty and horrible. Nobody told
      me about the emptiness and pain I would feel deep within, causing nightmares
      and deep depressions. They had all told me that after the abortion I would
      continue on with my life as if nothing had happened. … I found that though I
      could forgive the man who raped me, I couldn’t forgive myself for having the
      abortion.”

      Debbie “N.” wrote:

      “I still feel that I probably couldn’t have loved that child conceived of rape,
      but there are so many people who would have loved that baby dearly. The man who
      raped me took a few moments of my life, but I took that innocent baby’s entire
      life.”

      Debbie’s comment starkly shows the actual effect on the women who is
      aborted to “cure” rape: It shifts the focus from the violence the rapist
      committed against her, to the violence she committed against the baby.
      I would never dream of minimizing rape by saying that it only “took a few
      moments” of the woman’s life — clearly the fear, trauma, and sense of
      violation lasts much more than a few moments. But Debbie described her own rape
      that way, because she is now comparing what the rapist did to her, with what
      she did to this baby.

      As one young woman put it, “The solution to rape is not abortion. The solution
      to rape is stopping rape.”

      Sounds like a better solution….

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W4BABJYOBZPUHQ2Q7IFVXDYIH4 DontlistentoMassMedia

      Kathleen DeZeeuw said,
      “I, having lived through rape, and also having raised a child ‘conceived
      in rape,’ feel personally assaulted and insulted every time I hear that
      abortion should be legal because of rape and incest. I feel that we’re
      being used by pro-abortionists to further the abortion issue, even
      though we’ve not been asked to tell our side.” http://realchoice.0catch.com/library/weekly/aa071301a.htm

      • choiceone

        Each person is different. I myself lived through rape, before Roe v Wade. In my state, there was a rape exception to the anti-abortion law. But the worst of the rape was not the rape itself. It was after reporting the rape, opting not to prosecute because of the low probability of conviction, the nil possibility of having influence on the police to examine the rapist for mental illness, and the high probability of being further victimized. taking care of responsibilities like withdrawing from university and losing my merit fellowship, etc.

        I had to deal with the possibility of pregnancy from rape. In those days, there was no Plan B, there were no home pregnancy tests. I had to just wait until my period came. And in that waiting time, I realized that I was physically/psychologically incapable of saying “I was raped” any more. I stuttered at the “r” and my hand shook if I tried to write it. And I realized, how could I tell a doctor I wanted an abortion if I were pregnant? Would the doctor agree? In those days, the doctor would make a request at a hospital and a committee of 12 doctors, usually male, would have to agree. Would they agree?

        And why, exactly, did all these respectable people, mostly men, in middle class business suits in the state capital have this power over my sex organs, my most private of all parts, when I would never have agreed to let any of them have access to these parts? Whether there is a rape exception or not, anti-abortion laws that restrict abortion based on situation assume a common morality.

        But mine is not common with yours. I realized that, if I could not get a legal abortion in the US, did not have enough money to go to France or Sweden or Japan, and could not find even an illegal abortion, God provided the option of committing suicide and I would certainly take it. In fact, I carefully planned how I would do that, choosing the knives I would use, clarifying how to work the knife sharpener, in the event of a worst case scenario.

        Because although I was willing to live through rape and not die for the sake of the parents I loved, I was not willing to give birth to someone who raped me under any circumstances. To me, it was like being forced to bear false witness, to say something that isn’t true, to allow my body to make a statement that I was one flesh with someone who raped me, and to give life to that statement.

        Though I had never particularly wanted to have children, from that time I particularly wanted never to give birth to a child of human flesh. If a human life can originate in something other than love and here on earth we can’t tell the difference between what issues from love and what issues from hate, cruelty, and materialistic force, of what value is it? I have never changed my mind. Under God, we are equal, but when a woman is made pregnant or forced to stay pregnant against her will, that problem can never be imposed on the enforcer, and that is inequality. I would rather die under God than live under that inequality.

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    • Serena

      Personally I would only have an abortion if I was raped (or if there was a serious medical issue). It’s not that the fetus that’s a product of rape is worth any less than a fetus that was planned, but I don’t think I could love a baby that reminds me of being raped every time I look at it (some women can of course). There is always Plan B which can be used right away to terminate before it becomes a fetus, when it’s just a zygote. If I had an unplanned pregnancy with my boyfriend, that would obviously not be ideal, but I would go through with it because I love my boyfriend and I know he will make a good father. So for me the rape exemption makes total sense. It all comes down to the individual woman and her specific situation.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=583080781 Fiona Beswick

      This whole rape-and-incest-and mother-health thing is a smokescreen and a trap and pro-choicers are falling into it. While campaigning for ‘exceptions’ they are not campaigning for all abortions. The anti-abortionists are using this to pretend to barter. Of course they will allow it: nobody can believe a raped 11 year old should bear her dad’s child. So they will appear to compromise and the pro-choice movement will feel they’ve won a battle when they have lost the entire war. Never mind rape and incest. All abortions should be legal and a woman should not ever need to give a reason. “I want it”, that is enough reason. “Don’t ask, don’t tell”.

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    • Fme

      I am a Muslim and we allow abortion is the child poses a danger to the mother’s health or is more than likely going to be born with a disease that affects the quality of her/his life. We also allow abortion for rape victims. But all these have to be reported before the 4 month of pregnancy cause it is more risky to abort in the latter trimesters. I found your blog very insightful and yes rape is rape and no a woman can NOT control getting pregnant.I personally think it is sad when we force women to have babies that they do not care for and they might also be resentful towards. It is not nice to be an unwated child.

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    • Ara

      In communist Czechoslovakia abortion was illegal but had a rape exception. So nearly everyone who would have had an abortion had to declare that they had been raped. At least, in communist Czechoslovakia, the bureaucrats didn’t really care enough to “verify” the story” so no actual victims were “processed”. But somehow, I don’t think that’s how it would work in America.
      Additionally, do victims need yet another source of “people who say they’re rape victims are liars.”?

    • Selena’s Voice

      It is not born yet, it is not a person. The mother should be able to decide. If she is too young or unable to care for it, maybe too poor and can’t afford it. You obviously don’t understand the situation that so many women go through… to have their innocence taken from them in horrible acts and have to worry about STDs, and contemplate suicide. You think you are looking out for the child but you are not, you are not being compassionate, you are being the opposite. A few years ago I thought the same way as you, but that is so wrong… I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinions… but nobody should be aloud to take women’s rights away. Rape is the worst possible thing you could do to a human being, it makes them feel worthless, helpless, and alone. A mother giving birth to a baby she did not want to have, looking into its eyes and remembering.. never being able to forget because one child that was never supposed to be born, that she was not ready for ruins her life. She might hate it, she may see her attacker in it… she may not be able to finish school and have to work a part time job washing dishes. She is scared of men and feels like she can trust nobody, her own parents cast her away because they thought she was a tart. Now do you understand a little? It is not murder… and if you try and take the right away, we might just have a lot more suicides….

    • Pvblivs

      I don’t know whether Alex believes what he says. But it’s not true either way. I oppose abortion because it kills a human life. It is usually done for the sheer convenience of the mother. But I recognize extenuating circumstances. I oppose just shooting someone dead, too. But there can be extenuating circumstances, not all of which deny the innocence of the victim. If I didn’t believe that the child’s life was worth protecting, I would have no opposition to abortion. That I will accept some things as more important than that principle does not mean that I do not really believe it generally holds. That I do not agree “it’s a choice” to be more important than the principle does not mean that I am out to punish people.

    • penny

      If it is not a baby than assault on a pregnant woman resulting in the loss of her____(fill in the blank) should not be punishable by anything more serious than any fight between two adults. Nor should double homicide or manslaughter convictions be allowed for the wrongful death of a pregnant woman. The government through the help of science has determined the American bald eagle egg to be a precious life form, protected by large fines and two years jail time, because even though it still relies on it’s mother to see it to term and it could not survive outside it’s protective encasing it is no less a precious life form. A pregnancy is a human life, which is exactly the reason we would want to end it, we don’t just go around having our uterus filled with burning fluid, scrapped and suctioned because it’s fun. Abortions don’t kill before it becomes a human. Abortions is killing it before it becomes an inconveniencence. A man who gets a woman pregnant, who decides he doesn’t want to be a father is a deadbeat dad, a criminal, and forced by the government into “slave labor” to pay for said child. If a woman gets pregnant and does not want to be a mother she is “pro choice”. If a woman has a baby she can abandon the infant at hospitals, fire stations, police departments and have no repercussions, if a father wants to abandon his child he is a deadbeat dad, a criminal, and forced into slave labor to pay for said child. In reality either he made a baby with her, or he had nothing to do with it becoming a person and should not be held liable for her choice to turn that blob of tissue into a person. Let’s stop with this hypocrisy!

    • penny

      Y’all should get together and fight to get Meth legalized, that way people doing it won’t keep making it in their homes, putting themselves and their neighborhoods in danger. Lord knows their gonna do meth weather it’s legal or not, at least it could be safer, so come on its their bodies! Who cares what affect you feel their dirty habit has on your society! You have no right to judge and put your beliefs on them. Stop oppressing druggies oppression is mean, if you don’t like Meth don’t do it! But come on…live and let live!